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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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@zxzx24 @Artemis1992 @DkArthas @das_slash @fan550 @tarrangar

You're missing adding children of the forest to the horde, and to aid in our diplomacy efforts at Castle Black.

Think of the Children, won't somebody please think of the children!?*

* Simpsons reference can really be taken the wrong way. Hence this explanation.

Edit: Vote went the way I was hoping, but... I like my joke enough that I'll leave it :p
 
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I foresee a lot of frustration if we try to talk to the giants.
Too primitive for normal negotiations, to set in their ways to be persuaded as easily as the minotaurs and not as likely to trade and work with us while sharing the same general living-space as the Tritons.

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@zxzx24 @Artemis1992 @DkArthas @das_sla @fan550 @tarrangar

You're missing adding children of the forest to the horde, and to aid in our diplomacy efforts at Castle Black.
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No, I want to try and get a CotF to follow us home, I just want to do it after raising Rhaella.
She should get a chance to see what we do, rather than just hear about it.

That includes talking with Tree-Liches and looting magical creatures.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I foresee a lot of frustration if we try to talk to the giants.
Too primitive for normal negotiations, to set in their ways to be persuaded as easily as the minotaurs and not as likely to trade and work with us while sharing the same general living-space as the Tritons.
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We're not necessarily trying to get them to Sorcerer's Deep, we're just getting them south of the Wall. We do that and we are remembered as their racial hero.
 
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I sometimes don't know if you are being serious or not.
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Me neither.

On the one hand I can see that's not really a good idea, but on the other she'll have very few opportunities to see Viserys as adventurer, rather than politician and I do believe if we want a good relationship with our mother she should know us in full, not just the parts we show in civilised lands and our own holdings.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I foresee a lot of frustration if we try to talk to the giants.
Too primitive for normal negotiations, to set in their ways to be persuaded as easily as the minotaurs and not as likely to trade and work with us while sharing the same general living-space as the Tritons.


No, I want to try and get a CotF to follow us home, I just want to do it after raising Rhaella.
She should get a chance to see what we do, rather than just hear about it.

That includes talking with Tree-Liches and looting magical creatures.
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I'd rather ease her in to that side. Let her hang out in SD, also, she'll be present at the wall, where we'll be talking to people. Basically, I worry that her "wtf" will utterly derail anything we try to do until we spend some time providing context.

Also, speaking as a player, she could always say no! :D
 
Artemis1992 said:
Me neither.

On the one hand I can see that's not really a good idea, but on the other she'll have very few opportunities to see Viserys as adventurer, rather than politician and I do believe if we want a good relationship with our mother she should know us in full, not just the parts we show in civilised lands and our own holdings.
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Rhaella can get a better look at that later, once she's a bit more calm. If we spook her too badly immediately after resurrecting it'll stick and that will just be trouble on the long term.

Honestly, just having to bring her back in the extremely creepy hideout/cemetery and then go back through lands where the Others might take a swing at us at any moment while she's there is more than enough trouble.
 
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She can get a better look at that later, once she's a bit more calm. If we spook her too badly immediately after resurrecting it'll stick and that will just be trouble on the long term.
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I will not vote her to take her deliberatly into a high-danger area where Viserys can go slay demons and recruit Fey just to show off to her.
Far to risky.

We can either show her now, or not. And then we'll try to keep her safe for years to come, unless she quickly goes full-PC.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I will not vote her to take her deliberatly into a high-danger area where Viserys can go slay demons and recruit Fey just to show off to her.
Far to risky.

We can either show her now, or not. And then we'll try to keep her safe for years to come, unless she quickly goes full-PC.
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Like I said, we may very well get a random encounter on our way back or something. And I really am not sure what you want to show her, there certainly isn't anything to slay in our current location. Bloodraven is scary, all the bones of the dead Children are creepy. That's all.
 
[X] Duesal
You know I was expecting Bloodraven to throw us under the bus at a drop of the hat, some lingering doubts and suspicions but instead we find that he loves this granuncle role he has found himself in. You can tell from the updates their is family affection and concerned care when he talks to Dany and Viserys.

He has his own agenda but he's not the cryptic stone cold only in it for himself bastard I was expecting. I dare say he just likes speaking with Dany and Viserys just for thier company as well as the impotent stuff. Though maybe to Bloodraven being able to interact in person with the children he has you could say guided and watched over for years is important in of itself.
 
Wheel of time said:
[X] Duesal
You know I was expecting Bloodraven to throw us under the bus at a drop of the hat, some lingering doubts and suspicions but instead we find that he loves this granuncle role he has found himself in. You can tell from the updates their is family affection and concerned care when he talks to Dany and Viserys.

He has his own agenda but he's not the cryptic stone cold only in it for himself bastard I was expecting. I dare say he just likes speaking with Dany and Viserys just for thier company as well as the impotent stuff. Though maybe to Bloodraven being able to interact in person with the children he has you could say guided and watched over for years is important in of itself.
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I think a big part of it is that he just loves feeling appreciated and looked up to by family. I think he really missed that when he was forced into exile, then later when he became the Three-Eyed Raven.
 
I imagine a lot of it comes down to the fact that Viserys and company are competent at what they do. He doesn't come crying to him whenever he wants something or when things go wrong. Viserys is a powerful strategic asset that collects other strategic assets. The fact that he is family and is morally acceptable is the icing and cherry on top.
 
Wheel of time said:
[X] Duesal
You know I was expecting Bloodraven to throw us under the bus at a drop of the hat, some lingering doubts and suspicions but instead we find that he loves this granuncle role he has found himself in. You can tell from the updates their is family affection and concerned care when he talks to Dany and Viserys.

He has his own agenda but he's not the cryptic stone cold only in it for himself bastard I was expecting. I dare say he just likes speaking with Dany and Viserys just for thier company as well as the impotent stuff. Though maybe to Bloodraven being able to interact in person with the children he has you could say guided and watched over for years is important in of itself.
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That or he's pretending to do so.
I think both, myself :)

We have to thank "Uncle Brynden" for his help, and time when we are leaving.
 
I think it helps that we have a lot of the best parts of Bloodraven's relatives from his time. We have the charisma of Baelor Breakspear and his ability to unite people and to build up followers, but we're also pragmatic enough to do "what needs doing" sometimes. We're daring, but it's tempered by caution (it's not paranoia, it's caution, :V). We want to reform the laws (like Egg), but we recognize that it's hard and we need to work around the noble class and we can't just force it through (or we can, but if we do it too often we become Maegor).

Edit: We're also a sorcerer, as opposed to a martial type, so we're a vindication of his side in the feud between him and bittersteel (and between Blackfyre and Daeron).
 
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I have a strange idea... How terrifying it would be, if The Crone's next chosen is Olenna "Queen of Thorns" Tyrell?

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Also, the idea that we have to keep killing The Seven chosen to stop them from acting makes me recall the odd theory of the Starks being The Seven in canon.

The foreshadowing when Stannis burned The Seven statues that Aegon carved out of the ships that carried house Targaryen to Dragonstone (Which we should loot. Fantastic Day of Change Material here!):

Father, the first to fall, already in the ground - Ned Stark's death sets off the War of the Five (Four) Kings

Mother burning, Stannis pulls out "Lightbringer" that was plunged in her heart - Lady Stoneheart

Warrior and Maiden burns together - Robb losses the war, Sansa her innocence will probably die in book 6

Stranger hands burning, turning blacker than it ever was - Arya is training to be a Faceless man. Don't know what it means with the hands

The Smith and the Crone are not mentioned at all, but Bran being a Greenseer makes him all knowing. So Rickon has to be the Smith somehow.

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I don't count the show as canon, I'll wait for The Winds of Winter, thank you.
 
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Diomedon said:
I think it helps that we have a lot of the best parts of Bloodraven's relatives from his time. We have the charisma of Baelor Breakspear and his ability unite people and to build up followers, but we're also pragmatic enough to do "what needs doing" sometimes. We're daring, but it's tempered by caution (it's not paranoia, it's caution, :V). We want to reform the laws (like Egg), but we recognize that it's hard and we need to work around the noble class and we can't just force it through (or we can, but if we do it too often we become Maegor).
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And we haven't made a friend (edit, fiend!) scream in agony for people to hear since he warned us not to!

@Helo89, I think he would prefer it if we were a bit more ruthless, but maybe not kill the sellswords as much . (Though to be fair, options were limited, and they are worth so much less than the Little Valerians)
 
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Also, with the giants, we were told they take forever to make decisions. Dropping by to give them an alternative offer to trying to negotiate their way through the wall and saying we'll return in a year to hear their answer is probably reasonable.
 
Viserys is a pretty decent guy, knows his duty and gladly follow it, questions things to know the why's, and the fact that he truly cares for others.

Bloodraven most likely is happy for that. When was the last time he was thanked for something or even touch by another person, let alone family?
 
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Part MDCXLI: Enduring Pledges
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    Nineteenth Day of the Twelfth Month 292 AC

    After another break of a meal and a walk through the caves this time alone, for the Children seemed to have once again vanished from the upper halls, either on Bloodraven's business or their own, you return to ask those of your questions you left for last either because they are unlikely to receive an answer... or because they might sour the mood if asked too soon.

    "One wonders if it is true that the Baratheons hold the blood of a Storm God or if such magics have made themselves manifest in any of the Usurper's bastards?" you ask idly. "Whatever the fate of their house, it would be a shame to waste the blood of gods..."

    Bloodraven gives a short hacking laugh. "If any of those bastards could hear you now, your grace, they would be fleeing far and fast indeed. "

    "I'm interested in the rest of them, not just their blood," you protest.

    "To answer your question, I cannot say for certain if it is the blood of gods, but there was power in the line of Durran Godsgrief, even before it twined with the blood of the Dragon. I have not seen any of the false king's bastards to show sorcery, but I freely confess they are so many even I cannot watch them all. Perhaps lacking the skill to match any other achievement, he means to match my father in the number of his bastards."

    "That would be funny to work into a song," Dany remarks idly, drawing a laugh from you.

    "On then to more serious matters," you say after a moment. "Do you know what the wildling sorceress in the Vale intends to do with Ysilla Royce's pledge?" Once you might have explained more, but you have long since realized that if there is one thing the Last Greenseer does not lack for it is knowledge, much less of someone speaking through the Heart Tree.

    "I do not know, because the young 'godspeaker' as the clansmen call her does not know herself," he explains. "I will warn her against demanding anything distasteful," he assures you.

    For a while longer you speak of matters of the Seven Kingdoms and the acts of your foes, none of them truly secret or astonishing, but more reliable by far than the sailor's talk you have been relying on since your days in Braavos.

    Then Dany asks something that had been much on your mind. "If it is safe for the clansmen of the Mountains of the Moon to possess mages beholden to the Old Gods, then might the same be said for us? After all, the connection would hardly be any more obvious than the Heart Trees grown by bloody sacrifice already make it. I ask because I know of two girls, twins born of an old Volantine family, who can speak to each other in their mind across any distance, and they can hear the voices of the gods."

    "Is there anything special about these children besides the obvious?" the ancient sorcerer rasps.

    "They are pale of skin and eye," you reply after a moment's thought.

    "Odd..." The word is so soft you almost do not hear it, and for the barest moment his attention is elsewhere. "Perhaps they have some affinity. Bid them to spend time near a heart tree. I make no promises save that they will not be harmed by it."

    What do you do next?

    [] Ask more questions
    -[] Write in

    [] Speak with the Children of the Forest again
    -[] Write in

    [] Resurrect Rhaella

    OOC: No earth-shaking secrets at this time.
     
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    • [X] Speak with the Children of the Forest again
    -[X] From the bottom of your heart thank Bloodraven for tolerating all of your many questions. He truly has been a good and caring uncle to you and Dany, and you will be sure to speak to him when you can.
    --[X] Give Bloodraven the bag of attuned obsidian sand so you can speak with him more regularly.
    --[X] Ask Bloodraven if there is anything he personally needs. We could retrieve it for him when we next visit.
    -[X] Talk to Soft Strider and Speaker to Men in particular and learn more of them.
    -[X] See if they and any other Singers would be interested in accompanying you to Sorcerer's Deep and staying there. They could see the world as magic reawakens, they could teach people of the Old Gods, they could meet many new creatures (minotaurs, Tritons, fey, Little Valyrians, etc).
    -[X] If they wish it, we could even take them to visit all over the rest of the world. Westeros, Essos, the Free Cites, etc. We could even look into their distant kin that Bloodraven told us about in Essos, the Ifeqevron.
    -[X] We could even take them to visit other planes entirely should they wish it.
    -[X] More than that, you would greatly appreciate any help in preparing for the Long Night.
     
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