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Hugo's notes say not but Doctor Munro has it anyway.

Perhaps Hugo had the metagene which was shaped by the danner formula, and so his son inherited the metagene and hence powers, without inheriting the danner formula.

The Hand was at least briefly retconned into a Guardian illusion to prevent anyone probing too deeply into the beginning of time, although I don't believe that was ever brought up again, and it's likely fallen by the wayside.

The Hand showed up again when heaven was attacked by the Great Darkness. So that doesn't work, unless you'd like to explain what the guardian's illusion was doing in Heaven over in Swamp Thing. Heck, Paul could ask Constantine about that, he was along for the ride in that storyline.

The Source isn't the Presence. They're entirely distinct glowy divine thingies. If you want to get meta, the Source Wall is the page, while the Presence is the author.

According to whom? When Neron invaded the Silver City, Zuariel told him "The Presence doesn't sit on some throne in Heaven, the Presence is everyone and everything and everywhere." So if the Presence is everything, and the Source is the source of everything, One starts looking at differences that don't actually exist.

The Source is not explicitly the same thing as the White Light of Creation, which split into the emotional spectrum. Last I checked, this was a popular fan theory.

Well that's a damn silly fan theory which I was not espousing. The God Wave is attributed with creating the Speed Force, the Quantum Field, and the Glow (the emotional spectrum), along with superhumans and deities.

So unless one wants to retcon that, that would mean that the Godwave must have made the white light entity of life, and retconning it would make no sense considering the existence of the Aurakles.

The Aurakles, of whom Halo is a member, are a race made by the Source shortly after the birth of the universe, and in Darkest Night Halo's light was cutting through the black lanterns like a chainsaw through warm butter.

Since the Black Lantern's weakness is the white light or the different emotional spectrum energies being used in tandem, the rather obvious conclusion is that the Aurakles are an entire race of being made up of the emotional energy spectrum, including white, considering Halo's light powers include white light, and her origin involves resurrecting a dead body.

So if one made the Source have nothing to do with the emotional spectrum, that makes it rather hard to explain the fact that the Source has apparently made more entities out of the emotional spectrum energies than the White Light Entity has.

Of course, there's no inherent reason Zeus couldn't be hanging out elsewhere under different guises. The Romans certainly thought so.

He specifically was in DC comics, the Roman and Greek deities went to war, despite the fact that they were metaphysically the exact same people, the war ended when the Greek and Roman deities merged more thoroughly so there would be no more "right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing," as the saying goes.
 
Perhaps Hugo had the metagene which was shaped by the danner formula, and so his son inherited the metagene and hence powers, without inheriting the danner formula.
No, he definitely has the Formula.

Arnold Munro? Iron..? No. That can't be right. It was bullshit when they included him in the comics. There were tests! The formula isn't hereditary! I checked! I looked for him!

Ring, scan Doctor Arnold Munro. Does he have Danner Formula enhancements?

Confirmed. Danner Formula chemistry present.

How the hell did Mister Luthor find him when I couldn't?
Exactly how he got it is still unresolved.
 
No, he definitely has the Formula.

Exactly how he got it is still unresolved.

Hmm, okay, I stand corrected.

With modification, I suppose it would be possible that Hugo had the metagene, and thanks to the danner formula it became the power to generate the danner formula, making it as part of his natural biochemistry as adrenaline and the like.

However, between "oh it turns out the danner formula is hereditary, because magic," or "Hugo considered the danner formula part of prenatal care," I think the metagene theory is the one that flies in the face of Occam's razor the most.

Oh, that reminds me, I was doing some wiki walking and was reminded of a flash villain- Speed Demon, who thanks to steroid B-19 gained superhuman speed, resilience, and strength, but despite it's cinematic performance had side effects of a more realistic nature- driving him nuts and wrecking his body.

How that works when combined with Venom, Blockbuster, or the Danner formula might be interesting, although perhaps more likely to be used
by a bad guy than Paul.

I imagine most heroes wouldn't look forward to meeting someone with blockbuster's strength and superspeed.
 
I'm really enjoying this part of the story. Going back through Story Only shows how Zoat has improved over the years as a writer. He's really opening up and having some fun.

I know he's a fan of Games Workshop too, makes me wonder what he submitted to the Black Library Open Call for Short Stories. It was the last day today, I agonized over mine up to the last second.
 
In Catholicism at least, anything supernatural outside of God's miracles is considered to be evil, even if it used to a "good" end.
Magic isn't supernatural in DC.

Which is good, because official Catholic doctrine is that there is nothing supernatural except God's miracles.

(Fallen angels are either natural or empowered by God, depending on who you ask.)
Are you saying that Wikipedia claims that magic is real and the Catholic Church as a whole supports that belief? If so, then that's obviously hogwash.
No, they're saying that people made books full of hogwash and the Church was reasonably cool with it. Just because a book contains nonsense doesn't mean it was forged.
And why does everyone keep talking about Worm? It isn't that popular.

Worm is still #2 on TopWebFiction, and #1 is Twig (by the same author.) It's objectively popular.
Also, why do I foresee it ending with Paul having to subdue a drunk Dick and Wally before they cause a scene?
Unlikely, given US drinking laws.
The Hand showed up again when heaven was attacked by the Great Darkness. So that doesn't work, unless you'd like to explain what the guardian's illusion was doing in Heaven over in Swamp Thing. Heck, Paul could ask Constantine about that, he was along for the ride in that storyline.
Yeah, sometimes stories just don't "stick" in canon because later writers didn't read them. See also: Elaine Belloc.
According to whom? When Neron invaded the Silver City, Zuariel told him "The Presence doesn't sit on some throne in Heaven, the Presence is everyone and everything and everywhere." So if the Presence is everything, and the Source is the source of everything, One starts looking at differences that don't actually exist.
Originally, there was this whole thing where the Source Wall was the edge of the page - literally the Fourth Wall - the Speedforce was the illusion of movement, Anti-Life was apathy, and so on.

It's become increasingly blurred over time, however - although I don't see why "the Presence is everyone and everything and everywhere" makes you think they aren't the author.

As far as I'm aware, nothing in canon has ever equated the Source and the Presence. They simply occupy a similar narrative role.
 
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Two corrections (for Mr. Zoat) and an observation (for everyone).


He used English incorrectly.

No, Daimahou is correct. "Could've" is short for "Could have" which is the correct form of the often misused "Could of." Now, if the SI personally says "Could of" despite it being incorrect grammar, then carry on as normal.


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People don't go to the theatre to read captions."

Since Selina's American, this should read theater.



The front door swings open and Holly hurries in. "Hey K-. Paul!"

We got talking about the wedding and.. I.. think she decided to try and hook up her single friends."

It occurs to me that Holly's in a bad place right now. From the violet text, she loves Paul... but is expressing that love in the only way she knows how: physically. He turned her and Karon down for a threesome (for his own reasons) but she still feels that the only way to show him love is to have him hook up with someone. I might be barking up the wrong tree, but it seems like she can only seem to express her love for people physically, albeit by proxy in this case.
 
Someone who'll provide an alibi when the police ask him about a murder.
Can't he get Construct Lanterns for that? Okay, Praexis demons wouldn't work, but Morrow seems fine to me.

Construct Lanterns are better.

He's got John!

...

Welp.
Excuse me?! Lantern Stewart is a perfectly fine chap, I'll have you know

:D

How do you feel about the shipping levels?

[] The current amount of shipping takes up too much of the story.

[] The current amount of shipping is fine.

[] The current amount of shipping is not enough.

[] Write in
Shipping levels are fine, they are just on wrong ships. :)
 
After seeing the 80's, the 90's, and part of the 00's doing the whole "It's the Xth season and the scenario still crawls at a snail pace in regard to the main(s) character(s) romantic development", I must admit I'm not into that past a certain point. At first it's funny, but quickly it becomes exasperating.
Go P!Paul, you can do it !
 
[x] The shipping is funny, but it may be reaching its jump he shark moment. Up until this exact chapter I wasn't too concerned, but the ship-tease is real here (unsurprising for one called 'date night', but just in the last two updates we've had four (five if you count Holly and Karon separate) ship teases shot down in a row.

I think Zoat's having fun with it, and I trust him to not overdo it, but hopefully it will be at least partially resolved by the end of this arc.
 
The character interaction is over half the reason I read WTR.
But see, this thinking right here is exactly the problem. "Ship tease" and "character interaction" are not the same thing. One is a subset of the other, and usually a pretty vapid one at that. If anything, the part that annoys me most about the ship-teasing is that it's eating up all the other character interaction.
 
No, Daimahou is correct. "Could've" is short for "Could have" which is the correct form of the often misused "Could of." Now, if the SI personally says "Could of" despite it being incorrect grammar, then carry on as normal.
He is making fun of them Americanizing his proper English grammar.

"Oh gods it's happened, hasn't it? I've caught it from you people. I'm going to start saying 'mailbox' and 'aloominum' and thinking that footballs are supposed to be ovoid and drinking tea with ice in it. I don't even like tea!"
 
Two corrections (for Mr. Zoat) and an observation (for everyone).
Shoot.
No, Daimahou is correct. "Could've" is short for "Could have" which is the correct form of the often misused "Could of." Now, if the SI personally says "Could of" despite it being incorrect grammar, then carry on as normal.
It was.
Since Selina's American, this should read theater.
Thank you, corrected.
It occurs to me that Holly's in a bad place right now.
Holly's spent her life in bad places. That's.. being worked on.
I think Zoat's having fun with it, and I trust him to not overdo it, but hopefully it will be at least partially resolved by the end of this arc.
It's more or less resolved at the one year point, then confirmed as resolved once he gets back to Earth. Though it is pretty obvious what's going to happen well before that.
 
Yeah... that is what makes it rubbish. That's like saying that the beliefs of the Nazis are as moral as your beliefs, or that the beliefs of the Aztecs are moral equivalent of Catholic beliefs.

That's where moral relativism kind of breaks down. You have to accept that some systems of belief are just more moral than others. Having freedom of religion does not make that fact any less true.

...That's not what moral relativism means, at all. Like, I don't want to start this again, but I hate that particular and common misconception. Of course most moral relativists think their personal moral beliefs are ethically superior to Nazi ones, that's why they adopted their personal beliefs.

A moral objectivist says "Nazi morality is wrong, all decent people agree with me and the universal truth itself backs me up". A moral relativist says the exact same thing and only skips the "the universal truth itself backs me up" part.

The common "There's no absolute moral truth, so I will consider all moral systems ethically equal" parody of relativity is one possible results of moral relativism, yes, but a very, very uncommon one. "There's no absolute moral truth, so I'm going to build/adopt a moral system that I think is the next best thing to absolute truth or close, one based on my reason, level of natural empathy, philosophical beliefs, culture etc and will think the resulting system is ethically superior to most other moral systems" is usually the most common result.

That might make having a relative moral system look like having a much weaker foundation than objective morality, if objective morality's foundation wasn't equally eroded by the fact that there are many competing "true objective moralities" for you to have to choose the right one from, so either way you are making a gamble.
 
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I think the problem is how close each ship tease is, If these 5 had been spread over to last 5 archs rather than updates it would probably work better.
 
I think the biggest reason is that it has far more uses as a military technology than he is comfortable with sharing. It could replace drills in any number of situations, and although that is super useful, drills aren't hugely wasteful. It would revolutionize manufacturing, but it would also revolutionize global weapons. Plus, crumblers don't exactly have a non-lethal mode.
Harking back a few pages...

Crumblers AREN'T as useful as drills in general. Drills have this big advantage of preserving the stuff they bore out. Now, if you don't care about it whatsoever (for example, if you're making a tunnel), sure, crumble away. But if you're mining -- that is, if your explicit goal is to find stuff mixed in with the rock and extract it -- then crumbler tech is the exact opposite of what you want.

I mean, unless you can modify the tech to only affect silicates. That might be nice for mining. (EDIT: This would also be less likely to be immediately lethal.) But we don't have any concrete evidence right now that such a modification is possible.

(This is also the reason that TNT isn't worth using for its intended purpose in Minecraft. It's far better suited for combat applications or automated machines.)
 
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Crumblers AREN'T as useful as drills in general. Drills have this big advantage of preserving the stuff they bore out.
I was more thinking of drills like those used in drill presses, home appliance drills, and things like that, not really tunnel boring drills. If you can make a device that can near instantly make a perfectly regular cylindrical hole in any common material, then there's really no need to use a drill press or similar devices. If the crumble effect can be made into a plane, that replaces saws as well. For most occasions, you don't really care about the wood or metal shavings you get from a drill or a saw, and in industrial industries you could save a fortune in lubricant.
 
If nothing else the crumbler tech would be a godjumpedupelementalsend for waste disposal.
Maybe; I'm reminded of an old line, "waste is a resource in the wrong place". What's waste to one person can be useful raw material to someone else, or important to the ecology. I recall an old Star Trek novel that included a civilization that used a variant on the transporter to make their waste just "disappear", and as a result after centuries of use their world was slowly dying because so many elements vital to life weren't there anymore.

Plus, in a parallel universe, another version of their world was nearly dead, because that's where all that pollution had been teleported to. What actually happens to stuff crumbletech makes just vanish? We don't know; nor do we know the consequences of large scale use.
 
Maybe; I'm reminded of an old line, "waste is a resource in the wrong place". What's waste to one person can be useful raw material to someone else, or important to the ecology. I recall an old Star Trek novel that included a civilization that used a variant on the transporter to make their waste just "disappear", and as a result after centuries of use their world was slowly dying because so many elements vital to life weren't there anymore.

Plus, in a parallel universe, another version of their world was nearly dead, because that's where all that pollution had been teleported to. What actually happens to stuff crumbletech makes just vanish? We don't know; nor do we know the consequences of large scale use.
I couldn't remember if it vanished or if it was merely broken down to its constituent atoms/molecules. If the former, more research is required. If the latter, just... go to down on a landfill.
 
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