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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Mr Zoat said:
Would it help if the line was 'ripped her head off'? I though it would be obvious that she was dead but quite a few people have questioned it.
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Dead in the DC verse is kinda a sliding scale. Plus you kind of skipped over the actual scene. And she has been a recurring villain and those usually don't die.

And lets be honest a powerful telepath and a powerful xenotech video editing suite both of which can be sourced from Apokalips....

Lets not even get started on New Gods and their level of bullshit. Or old gods bullshit. Or demon bullshit. Or general magical bullshit.

This is a world where you can watch your friend rip someone in half before your very eyes, on international television, while standing next to a demi-goddess of truth and justice and still not be completely sure that you won't see them walking around next week.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
Didn't make sense to me, even then. I mean, these Ducks were going seriously out of their way. Did they not have better things to do? Didn't they have lives? Didn't they see a pattern in their beatings? And was there really no one else in the whole who ever had a problem with the heroes?
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I am reminded of the time lex luthor stole some cakes, and that was terrible

Dr. Bob Doom said:
'Crushed her skull' would remove most of the ambiguity. 'Killed her' would remove all of it.
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But tore her in half is cooler, and bloodier.
 
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notanautomaton said:
It would be best if you were to talk about QB in the past tense in the interview, as I think that's where most of the confusion is coming from.
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Agreed. At first I thought QB was dead with the whole torn in half thing, but then i realized OL was referring to her in present tense...and since this is DC Land where death sticks like wet scotch tape, i thought it safe to assume QB was still alive.
 
I was trying to keep the fact that she as dead a surprise until the end. I'll have a think about reworking the sentence.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I was trying to keep the fact that she as dead a surprise until the end. I'll have a think about reworking the sentence.
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Ah I see, yea that makes sense if you were trying to keep her death a surprise til the end. Honestly it would've worked if this were in a setting like Worm, etc. but I feel it kind of backfired here since death and ressurection is just a regular tuesday in the DC setting.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Would it help if the line was 'ripped her head off'? I though it would be obvious that she was dead but quite a few people have questioned it.
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Well the thing is all OL would need to do to keep her alive even as just a head would be to artificially pump oxygenated blood round her cranium until they could scrape together either the want to reattach it or the phlebotonim to fix things. With her torn in half he'd have at least a full minute and possibly five minutes to act before saving her became impractical. As such her survival (even from being torn in half) becomes more a matter of whether he wants it to happen than anything else.

Crushed skull on the other hand, that's dodosville.
 
drvash said:
With Teth Adom on a very justified rampage, it dawns on me that many of OL's allies parallel Kyle Rayner's New Guardians team:

=OL: enlightened avarice.
=Zatanna: enlightened love.
=Alan Scott: enlightened will-power.
=Teth Adom: enlightened rage.

Abra Kadabra: enlightened fear. However, the whole reason Abra Kadabra went back in time was because future science had removed all mysteries and wonders from life. After OL gave him a book on elemental magic, Abra Kadabra seems to now live life to the fullest despite knowing that he's trapped in the era where "the Orangest Night" takes place, so he might represent enlightened hope.

OL: "Aren't you afraid of Orangest Night?"
Abra Kadabra: "All shall be well."

Other possibilities:
=Dana Dearden: enlightened compassion ; in canon overcame her obsessions and willingly sacrificed herself to protect Superman from a magical attack that would've killed him. In "With This Ring", OL apologizing for getting her fired threw Dana for a loop as she was planning to take revenge on him, and he went the extra mile and arranged for her to interview Justice League members.
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Yeah I seriously doubt that would happen, the strong of extreme situation needed for it to occur would limit the chances of that happening for a bunch of people, if anything it's a lot more likely for OL to gain more than avarice since he has already worked through the process once and already had the kind of mentality needed to do it the first time.
 
Prosecutor-0 said:
I thought she was a queen, not a president? But to remind you, Adom also killed his own father if I remember it correctly...
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I think she's president in the same way Bialya is a democracy. I choose to believe that her first name is just 'Queen'
Mr Zoat said:
Would it help if the line was 'ripped her head off'? I though it would be obvious that she was dead but quite a few people have questioned it.
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I took it as metaphorical rather than literal. "Ripped her in half" is more suitable for a talk show than "Accelerated at her and made her into a bloody splatter on everyone around" while still conveying the brutality of it.
 
Gore17 said:
Depends on how the soul interacts with a person, and whether or not he has a scan of her brain. With a Power Ring, you could probably reconstruct her brain, and with souls existing, you could use that the correct any potential errors.
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Well technically yes, though at that point it's less saving her life and more performing an on-site resurrection/tech-necromancy.
 
Gore17 said:
Nah, just a very complicated resuscitation. If the soul was gone, and he brought it back, then it would be resurrection/tech-necromancy.
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Depends on how long it takes a soul to realise the body is dead, and considering the dire state of post-mortem communications on Earth 16 there probably aren't any helpful textbooks on the subject. :V
 
Mr Zoat said:
Queen Beena is a metahuman. Her ability is to release a specialised pheromone which made most men and some women extremely suggestible. I checked afterwards and she was definitely using it at the time.
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How about:

Queen Beena, as a metahuman, was capable of releasing a specialized pheromone which makes...

Still grammatically correct if she died, while preserving the surprise of the reveal.
 
To be fair to Queen Bee, we don't know how much her power is under her conscious control. It is pheromone based, so the stress of having all her dirty deeds brought out into the open could have caused her stress, and cause her power to react without her really planning anything except, perhaps "Make Adom stop talking!"

In which case, Adom would have (possibly) over-reacted.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Would it help if the line was 'ripped her head off'? I though it would be obvious that she was dead but quite a few people have questioned it.
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Where there's a ring there's a way. Especially given comics habit of bringing back everyone and their aunt (not uncles though) back to life.

Seriously OL himself has taken injuries that should have been instantly fatal and healed from pretty much day one. Don't even get me started on the number of times he's been faced with 'impossible' tasks and then went and done it anyway. It's not really a surprise that people are wondering if he used his powered-by-plot ring to keep her alive.
 
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