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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Yes.
As far as I remember, all other versions of Infinity Man are Prince Drax.
I was talking about what would happen if he went alone...
SHIT.
Interesting times ahead, in the Chinese meaning of the word.
The Forever People are never going to live this down.
So Darkseid lets his flunky experiment on what his brother became?
Might result in delusions of grandeur.
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I think it's more that Earth 16 Infinity Man apparently has minimal similarity to most versions of him, and isn't Drax.
But yeah, the Forever People screwed up big.
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How would that restore the removed memories though?
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I think it more likely that Queen Bee would have an 'accident' to cover up the Light's involvement.
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She would be a lot safer as a resident of the Heliopolis Palace, wouldn't she. [shipping intensifies]
It would be funny if they tried that, and it backfired when OL got Constantine to call her spirit back with necromancy and she tells them everything to get back at her killers.
Empiricist2
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My mistake. Sorry.
I wonder if a phased frag grenade would be effective against certain types of opponents? Like a phase generator with a large grenade attached to it that detonates when inside a target, violently going out of phase and hopefully doing a good bit of damage. Pros would be that it could bypass all kinds of defences, is relatively expendable, hard to disable mid flight, and is a strong grenade even if it doesn't hit inside the target. Cons would be the very lethal nature, and it being hard to get a full hit against fast opponents. Kind of an upgrade to the phased railgun rounds, with the advantage that they can be used without high speeds if the opponent is slow enough. Probably some alien tech that would make the explosive more potent available. Thoughts?
hance1986
The One Above All.
I think I get it. The Forever People are New Genesis's version of the Power Rangers, just more pathetic. They lost their fucking Zord. Does Highfather realize that Apokolips has the advantage with pieces of Infinity Man to analyze?
I wouldn't want him for my father.
I don't think even Scott Free wants him for a father. Highfather in DC is ... to be kind sorta a 40 watt bulb.
I think a better phase-grenade design would be a phase-foam grenade, a one-time phase generator surrounded by compressed foam that phases when thrown, poofs out into a large sphere of foam and then de-phases, the foam superimposing itself on the target. That ought to wreck anything that depends on its physical structure.
For fragmentation grenades, an idea that occurs to me is an explosive charge surrounded by X-Ionized flechettes. Detonate it and you have an expanding sphere of nearly unstoppable flying blades.
Really, it's not hard to come up with ludicrously lethal weapons with comic book technology. The harder part is dealing with the exotics, and the high-end types who can basically just say "none of your cool attacks work on me".
Oh I am slain!
Wynaut?
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Wait, couldn't this be done with the Kahndaqi political and military leaders who were killed by OL and Adom? Or would it not be worth the time and effort?
I think Adom might have objections to summoning forth the spirits of his departed countrymen, probably in complete violation of their chosen faiths.
Plus it's probably exorbitantly power intensive to summon back hundreds of people.
Empiricist2
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My first thought (Spoilers for those who haven't read Worm)
My major criticism with the x-ionised idea is the possibility for collateral damage. Normal frag grenades only deal significant damage to armored people over a short distance. X-ionised blades would go through anything that they hit so long as they are moving, and most of the Team's armor wouldn't stop the blades. Civilians would also be a possibility of collateral damage, but using such lethal attacks around them in the first place wouldn't be a good idea.Mr Zoat said:
Hardening foam is definitely a good idea, although it doesn't cause any damage if it doesn't get a direct hit. Could be used as a more directed attack than a phased grenade, and it's not like there's a restriction about using multiple types. The foam grenade would need to be manually activated however, as part of my initial thought with the phased frag grenade is that it would destroy the phase generator as soon as it activated.
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As with all things tech related: The correct and best answer is to stick a Praexis demon in whatever bit of tech you're going to chuck at your enemies.
Is Highfather equal to Darkseid?
I always wondered what kept Apokolips at bay from overwhelming New Genesis.
Apokolips is always gearing up for war, keeps pumping out these crazy death machines and has a leader comparable to Paulphidian in power.
New Genesis seems more relaxed and cultured.
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Empiricist2
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Probably isn't worth it. I'm sure they could, but it would be pretty costly, and the benefits are rather unclear if New Genesis generally doesn't attack Apokolips in the first place. A better investment would be fighting/weakening the GLC or the Reach, who are much more militant and likely to attack Apokolips.
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Apocalypse is always preoccupied with fighting itself too. Also, I don't think New Genesis has ever expended vast resources on a costly failed invasion of Earth, but Apocalypse does that every other month or so. That should help narrow the gap some.
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Empiricist2
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You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
Pretty sure that quote was originally about military invasion and eventual omnicide right?
Not worth it; they probably wouldn't have any more information to offer than "there was a flash of light and I died".
Black Reign (part 21)
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17th March 2011
07:03 GMT -4
"…our special guest this morning, Orange Lantern."
"Good morning, Catherine. Thank you for having me on."
I've had quite a few requests to grant interviews in the months I've been on Earth 16. Usually I don't bother with them. I'm not a media personality. I have a serious job. And to be honest I don't like having to defend myself to people I don't know and can't see. But after everything that's happened in Kahndaq over the past few days I think a little effort on my part is warranted, and Catherine Grant is my 'known' journalist. Which is how I ended up on GBS breakfast the morning after Adom's.. meeting, with Queen Beena. This isn't the last one of these I'll be doing today but it is the first one. At times like this it's important to get your message out as quickly as possible.
Not that there's a coherent message coming from anywhere else.
"Now, we've got a lot of questions to ask about what's been happening in Kahndaq. Why don't you start by telling us how you first met-" Please get it right. "-Teth Adom."
I don't have a standard superhero 'costume', and none of my armour variants were really appropriate. I had to create this get up for interview purposes. It's a super light version of the armour Mister Gambi made for me. It has minimal protective qualities but it looks like armour, so I can wear it without feeling like one of.. my respected colleagues. It's still grey with orange decoration… It could be worse.
It could have a cape and external underwear.
"I first met Teth Adom in Louisiana, as part of the team sent in to deal with the Injustice League. I'd known for some time that there was no way either the wizard Shazam or the gods of ancient Kahndaq would have given super powers to someone like Doctor Theodore Adam-."
"That would be Black Adam, Captain Marvel's enemy."
"Yes, but I prefer to use his real name. It reduces the chance of anyone confusing two very different men. Essentially, what he'd done was trap Teth Adom's soul in an amulet and -while I don't understand the exact spell craft involved- that somehow made the gods think that he was Teth Adom. As such, they gave him the power he needed to be 'Black Adam'."
"Are you saying that Teth Adom was dead?"
She knows, of course. I handed the studio as much briefing material as didn't violate League security procedures so she could plan this properly.
"Yes, Adom had been dead for about five thousand years at that point. Without.. wanting to unnecessarily offend anyone, souls are real. Afterlives are real. And I.. do mean plural, there are quite a few. He isn't the only person I've met who can come back from the dead: Vandal Savage infamously can regenerate literally any injury-" Though we haven't heard anything from him since New Year. Here's hoping! "-and Ra's al Ghul -the former head of the League of Shadows- had access to an alchemical bath that could restore him in a similar way. I personally observed him recover from a high calibre shot to the head that pulverised most of his brain without any apparent side effect."
"That.. sounds amazing."
I nod, and give the camera a rueful smile. "In my line of work you can become a little blasé about amazing things. Unfortunately, we have no idea how either of those abilities actually work."
"So Doctor Adam summoned back Teth Adom's soul from the ancient Kahndaqi afterlife-" Close enough. "-to steal his power. Why did he go on a rampage with it?"
"Because he's a-." I hesitate. "Because he was a deeply unpleasant person. I never met him before his transformation, but afterwards the only thing he was really interested in was fighting superheroes for fun. And the best way to attract superheroes is to go on a super powered rampage." I turn back to the camera. "Don't try that at home, kids. We may not like beating people unconscious and sending them to prison for the rest of their natural lives but we've got quite good at it now."
"If Teth Adom was dead, then how is he back?"
"The ritual Doctor Adam used to call his soul back essentially converted him to the ancient Kahndaqi religion. And it turns out that their gods don't necessarily wait until you're dead to judge you. Once they became aware of the situation, they dragged Doctor Adam off for punishment and gave Teth Adom his former body."
"How well did he cope with that?"
"In the same way that Captain Marvel is guided by the Wisdom of Solomon, Teth Adom is guided by the Wisdom of Zehuti. Adapting was difficult -he didn't even speak any modern languages- but between myself and Wonder Woman we were able to bring him up to speed."
"When did he start going back to Kahndaq?"
"Shortly after the Roanoke Island incident. The.. former Kahndaqi government attempted to violently stop the protests which sprang up in its wake, and he intervened to prevent them from doing so. From that point on, groups that hated the government were increasingly able to ignore it without having to worry about being shot or bombed by the Kahndaqi military. The actual fighting didn't start until the majority of the country had already decoupled itself from Cairo."
"He was taking over the country."
"Sort of. He was in favour of the government being changed, but he wasn't forcing people to follow him. It's very hard to control an entire country using super powers, even if your powers lend themselves to that. And his don't. But even though he would quite like to run the country, he doesn't have to force himself on them. If there was a presidential election in Kahndaq tomorrow, he'd win a larger majority than any American president for the last two hundred years."
"What happened this weekend?"
"The war was effectively over. The government only held Cairo, and they were dependent on Teth Adom's side for food. Their representatives and Teth Adom himself were in Al-Qawiya in Bialya for a peace conference, basically trying to persuade the heads of the government to go into exile. Then… Someone -we're still not sure who- attacked Shiruta using advanced alien weaponry and combat robots, killing everyone they could see. The total death toll was about two thousand, mostly civilian and including a lot of the people who would have been part of the new government after the civil war ended."
"Do you or the Justice League have any idea who it was?"
"The weapons were almost certainly from a planet called Apokolips. We knew that Bialya had had dealings with them before, but we couldn't specifically prove that they were responsible for this attack."
"How did they get to Shiruta?"
"Mister Miracle and I went over the city with a fine-tooth comb. We think they used a form of spatial portal called a hush tube, but unfortunately we can't tell where it came from. They just don't leave enough of a trace. We built a detection system so that hopefully whoever it was won't be able to try it again, but we don't currently have any way to stop it." I also left quite a lot of my advanced equipment with the local garrison just in case.
"How did Teth Adom react to that?"
"He was furious. He immediately blamed the government and headed to Cairo, where he single-handedly killed every member of it he could find, as well as a substantial number of military personnel. I think at this point everyone who wants to has seen the pictures that were taken in the aftermath. And for everyone who wants superheroes to take a more active role in international events? That is what it would look like if we did. It's not clean and it's not pretty and that's why most of us don't do it."
"What happened next?"
"He knew as well as I did that Bialyan involvement seemed likely. Queen Beena denied everything and asked for a meeting. Both myself and Wonder Woman accompanied him to her palace in Al-Qawiya, me because I was the one who defended Shiruta during the attack and Wonder Woman because one of her many abilities is the ability to tell when someone is lying to her."
"You were there when it happened?"
I nod. "Yes. Queen Beena had a podium set up. I think she was expecting to do the normal press conference thing before the meeting. Adom decided to start the actual meat of the discussion there instead. He shared a number of details about Bialya's actions that hadn't been made public…" I'm not quite sure how to finish this bit. "He'd been declaiming solidly for about three minutes when he suddenly stopped. Queen Beena's metahuman ability is to release a specialised pheromone which made most men and some women extremely suggestible. I checked afterwards and she was definitely using it at the time. The Courage of Montu makes Teth Adom highly resistant to that sort of thing, something that I don't think she knew. He shouted -and again I'm sure you've already seen the footage- 'Treacherous witch!'."
"And then he tore her in half."
07:03 GMT -4
"…our special guest this morning, Orange Lantern."
"Good morning, Catherine. Thank you for having me on."
I've had quite a few requests to grant interviews in the months I've been on Earth 16. Usually I don't bother with them. I'm not a media personality. I have a serious job. And to be honest I don't like having to defend myself to people I don't know and can't see. But after everything that's happened in Kahndaq over the past few days I think a little effort on my part is warranted, and Catherine Grant is my 'known' journalist. Which is how I ended up on GBS breakfast the morning after Adom's.. meeting, with Queen Beena. This isn't the last one of these I'll be doing today but it is the first one. At times like this it's important to get your message out as quickly as possible.
Not that there's a coherent message coming from anywhere else.
"Now, we've got a lot of questions to ask about what's been happening in Kahndaq. Why don't you start by telling us how you first met-" Please get it right. "-Teth Adom."
I don't have a standard superhero 'costume', and none of my armour variants were really appropriate. I had to create this get up for interview purposes. It's a super light version of the armour Mister Gambi made for me. It has minimal protective qualities but it looks like armour, so I can wear it without feeling like one of.. my respected colleagues. It's still grey with orange decoration… It could be worse.
It could have a cape and external underwear.
"I first met Teth Adom in Louisiana, as part of the team sent in to deal with the Injustice League. I'd known for some time that there was no way either the wizard Shazam or the gods of ancient Kahndaq would have given super powers to someone like Doctor Theodore Adam-."
"That would be Black Adam, Captain Marvel's enemy."
"Yes, but I prefer to use his real name. It reduces the chance of anyone confusing two very different men. Essentially, what he'd done was trap Teth Adom's soul in an amulet and -while I don't understand the exact spell craft involved- that somehow made the gods think that he was Teth Adom. As such, they gave him the power he needed to be 'Black Adam'."
"Are you saying that Teth Adom was dead?"
She knows, of course. I handed the studio as much briefing material as didn't violate League security procedures so she could plan this properly.
"Yes, Adom had been dead for about five thousand years at that point. Without.. wanting to unnecessarily offend anyone, souls are real. Afterlives are real. And I.. do mean plural, there are quite a few. He isn't the only person I've met who can come back from the dead: Vandal Savage infamously can regenerate literally any injury-" Though we haven't heard anything from him since New Year. Here's hoping! "-and Ra's al Ghul -the former head of the League of Shadows- had access to an alchemical bath that could restore him in a similar way. I personally observed him recover from a high calibre shot to the head that pulverised most of his brain without any apparent side effect."
"That.. sounds amazing."
I nod, and give the camera a rueful smile. "In my line of work you can become a little blasé about amazing things. Unfortunately, we have no idea how either of those abilities actually work."
"So Doctor Adam summoned back Teth Adom's soul from the ancient Kahndaqi afterlife-" Close enough. "-to steal his power. Why did he go on a rampage with it?"
"Because he's a-." I hesitate. "Because he was a deeply unpleasant person. I never met him before his transformation, but afterwards the only thing he was really interested in was fighting superheroes for fun. And the best way to attract superheroes is to go on a super powered rampage." I turn back to the camera. "Don't try that at home, kids. We may not like beating people unconscious and sending them to prison for the rest of their natural lives but we've got quite good at it now."
"If Teth Adom was dead, then how is he back?"
"The ritual Doctor Adam used to call his soul back essentially converted him to the ancient Kahndaqi religion. And it turns out that their gods don't necessarily wait until you're dead to judge you. Once they became aware of the situation, they dragged Doctor Adam off for punishment and gave Teth Adom his former body."
"How well did he cope with that?"
"In the same way that Captain Marvel is guided by the Wisdom of Solomon, Teth Adom is guided by the Wisdom of Zehuti. Adapting was difficult -he didn't even speak any modern languages- but between myself and Wonder Woman we were able to bring him up to speed."
"When did he start going back to Kahndaq?"
"Shortly after the Roanoke Island incident. The.. former Kahndaqi government attempted to violently stop the protests which sprang up in its wake, and he intervened to prevent them from doing so. From that point on, groups that hated the government were increasingly able to ignore it without having to worry about being shot or bombed by the Kahndaqi military. The actual fighting didn't start until the majority of the country had already decoupled itself from Cairo."
"He was taking over the country."
"Sort of. He was in favour of the government being changed, but he wasn't forcing people to follow him. It's very hard to control an entire country using super powers, even if your powers lend themselves to that. And his don't. But even though he would quite like to run the country, he doesn't have to force himself on them. If there was a presidential election in Kahndaq tomorrow, he'd win a larger majority than any American president for the last two hundred years."
"What happened this weekend?"
"The war was effectively over. The government only held Cairo, and they were dependent on Teth Adom's side for food. Their representatives and Teth Adom himself were in Al-Qawiya in Bialya for a peace conference, basically trying to persuade the heads of the government to go into exile. Then… Someone -we're still not sure who- attacked Shiruta using advanced alien weaponry and combat robots, killing everyone they could see. The total death toll was about two thousand, mostly civilian and including a lot of the people who would have been part of the new government after the civil war ended."
"Do you or the Justice League have any idea who it was?"
"The weapons were almost certainly from a planet called Apokolips. We knew that Bialya had had dealings with them before, but we couldn't specifically prove that they were responsible for this attack."
"How did they get to Shiruta?"
"Mister Miracle and I went over the city with a fine-tooth comb. We think they used a form of spatial portal called a hush tube, but unfortunately we can't tell where it came from. They just don't leave enough of a trace. We built a detection system so that hopefully whoever it was won't be able to try it again, but we don't currently have any way to stop it." I also left quite a lot of my advanced equipment with the local garrison just in case.
"How did Teth Adom react to that?"
"He was furious. He immediately blamed the government and headed to Cairo, where he single-handedly killed every member of it he could find, as well as a substantial number of military personnel. I think at this point everyone who wants to has seen the pictures that were taken in the aftermath. And for everyone who wants superheroes to take a more active role in international events? That is what it would look like if we did. It's not clean and it's not pretty and that's why most of us don't do it."
"What happened next?"
"He knew as well as I did that Bialyan involvement seemed likely. Queen Beena denied everything and asked for a meeting. Both myself and Wonder Woman accompanied him to her palace in Al-Qawiya, me because I was the one who defended Shiruta during the attack and Wonder Woman because one of her many abilities is the ability to tell when someone is lying to her."
"You were there when it happened?"
I nod. "Yes. Queen Beena had a podium set up. I think she was expecting to do the normal press conference thing before the meeting. Adom decided to start the actual meat of the discussion there instead. He shared a number of details about Bialya's actions that hadn't been made public…" I'm not quite sure how to finish this bit. "He'd been declaiming solidly for about three minutes when he suddenly stopped. Queen Beena's metahuman ability is to release a specialised pheromone which made most men and some women extremely suggestible. I checked afterwards and she was definitely using it at the time. The Courage of Montu makes Teth Adom highly resistant to that sort of thing, something that I don't think she knew. He shouted -and again I'm sure you've already seen the footage- 'Treacherous witch!'."
"And then he tore her in half."
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