With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Silverias
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Actually, boom tube insertion is unlikely. Thanks to his contact with The Frees, he can detect boom tubes, remember?
Now, a hush tube is a different matter.
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point, its still odd that they seem to have come out of nowhere though so some form of teleportation might have been involved. Though they might has simply used some sort of stealth transports, which is worrying because that means there might be invisible IFV running around.
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Apokolyptians are New Gods.
Eh sorta, not sure about in Earth 16 but in the comics fatherbox does so using the Anti-Life.
Though the "bad taste" to the emotional entity would suggest it's similar since Anti-Life would be all but antithesis to the Life Entity and things spawned from it. While the Source based New Gods from New Genisis would probably taste like candy to it.
Or maybe Popplers.
Silverias
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New god is the catch all term, and then you have the ones from new genesis, and the ones from apokylops.Eh sorta, not sure about in Earth 16 but in the comics fatherbox does so using the Anti-Life.
Though the "bad taste" to the emotional entity would suggest it's similar since Anti-Life would be all but antithesis to the Life Entity and things spawned from it. While the Source based New Gods from New Genisis would probably taste like candy to it.
Or maybe Popplers.
It's kinda like saying Venus fly traps aren't plants because they eat meat.
OL did note that Canis Minor's soul showed no sign of indigo light at all, which he found odd and abnormal. So there does seem to be something "off" about them on a metaphysical level beyond just being bad guys. It kind of reminded me about what he said about Sally Sonic, how she seems to be outright missing the "positive" half of the Emotional Spectrum.
I wonder if an Apokoliptan who has decided to abandon Apokolips and its ways like Big Barda still tastes bad to the Ophidian? Convincing Barda to let the Ophidian taste her and find out might be a bit awkward.
More likely the timing was based on Black Adom being elsewhere than the League, since the League isn't allowed to operate in Kahndaqi legally.
Mine as well. Intergang captured the Forever People and delivered them to Dessad, he probably provided them better gear as a reward. Then Mr Tinpot dictator cuts a deal with Intergang to help deal with the rebels. Specifies needing something to handle Adom and OL (since he's been seen hanging around with Adom regularly). Desaad hears 'Lantern' and pulls out the mech with the anti-Green Lantern gear.
What I'm curious to see, is Canis' reactions to whatever parts of OL's actions that were caught on film.
Oh and as far as Orange Light feeling Apocalyptian, it's close enough to help Dessad mistake Renegade for Prince Grayven at literal arms length.
Empiricist2
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What's the title for the next episode? (I haven't been super active in the past week, so forgive me if it's already come up)
Completely agree. Aside from the Temporary People, the New Gods have felt powerful. One thing I disliked about some of the DC movies is how Darkseid was portrayed as this indomitable threat, and then in the third act he gets a sudden downgrade and can be punched into submission by Superman and gang, or just Superman alone. Not every enemy should be weak enough that the Justice League can beat them.
Granted, that criticism could be generally applied to loads of superhero literature/film, but it doesn't make excusable.
Here, Grayven at least considered the possibility of soloing a Thanagarian invasion fleet without a ring. He would have died had he actually tried, but he thought it plausible that he would have won.
In addition to the individual New Gods being pretty strong, their tech is very impressive. Assault bots strong enough to give competent and powerful Earth heroes an actual challenge for a while. None of that 'ripping them in half like wet tissue paper' thing that happens in most media.
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And so we see that Grayven's possession and dominant use of Apokaliptian tech is not much of a factor in the hypothetical 'who would win in a fight?' scenario with Paul.
Silverias
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His V9 + Sword of the Fallen basically means he wins until OL gets a way around them.
Empiricist2
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Phasing could potentially work. I don't think Grayven has utilised phasing tech or ways to counter it, and it's unclear if the sword would work on a phased target.
I think that I originally theorized back on SB that the Orange Light in particular must share a similar feel with it because they both rob the targets of their identity.
Maybe they taste like poop because Anti-life is like New Coke to the Orange Light's original flavor.
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Haven't said it yet. It's Carpe Tempus, with that theatre troupe the SI talks to Diana about way back finally make it to the US.
Thank you. That's one of the things I've been trying to do.
I should probably point out that though the people attacking Shiruta are using New God tech, they don't have the necessary spiritual force to use it to the fullest extent.
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That is a much better name than the one I've been using.
Don't forget OL's scry wards and his own Sword of the Fallen (and yes, I like that name for it). Those Swords mean it's pretty much a matter of whoever gets a fatal blow in first, wins; and the scry ward means that Grayven wouldn't necessarily see him coming any more than the First of the Fallen did. And he can almost match the V9/Garrick speed effect with Accelerate Perception.
Also, Grayven is losing the ability to use the V9/Garrick formula, so it's a temporary advantage.
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Wonder how that's effecting Grayven's ability to use the Orange Ring?
Hasn't Grayven gotten to the point where V9 doesn't work for him anymore?
Empiricist2
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No, but I think he noted the duration becoming shorter.
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how much more effective would it be in the hands of a new god? or does it depend too heavily on the strength of the new gods using the equipment?
I don't think it's hurting him, as it's towards the "bad" end of the Spectrum. And his encounter with Anti-Life seems to has somewhat de-Grayvened him.
He does love Jade, complete with violet text; so he's clearly not that spiritually imbalanced. No guarantee that would have lasted if the mantling had been allowed to continue without interference though.
Not quite yet, but he's clearly getting close to it. It lasts a shorter and shorter time each time he does it.
Would that really matter for the particular pieces in question?
I mean, a piece of tech made for someone of actual worth, I could see working worse in the hands of some random shmuck, but the generic weaponry? isn't the whole point of that weaponry to arm some slaves/patsies and have them do the work for you? or are the invaders using much better stuff than that?
The automatons would, of course, not give a fuck and work the same, that's the whole point of sending them.
This could be a good bit of fridge logic, that maybe that's why the Greenies suck so bad. They've been jobbing, so as to not scare the piss out of their home planet's natives. Unfortunately, we have WoG both from Zoat and canon that no, they're just really incompetent.
Most fights are remarkably short. If a combat situation, one where you're actively moving/shooting/fighting, lasts for more than a few minutes, someone has fucked up somewhere. On top of that, your average soldier can't maintain the physical exertion required for more than a few minutes. Combat is extremely physically taxing, and the first to fatigue is usually screwed.
It might, their equipment seems designed to mesh with their divine nature; to such an extent that radion blaster punched though Grayven's armor just like it did his body.
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It really depends on who gets the jump on who, but I dont think the SotF has any armor penetration ability beyond being indestructible so it's uncertain if he could one shot Grayven even if he did get the jump on him (assuming Grayven has full body protection, I don't remember the specifics of his armor), meanwhile if OL isn't expecting Grayven he won't have his construct up and will get one shotted.
Though it's important to note that if OL manages to add an upgrade slot to his soul he could level the playing field, but considering he's been dragging his feet with studying the soul and magic in general and no one really knows how to do that so he's unlikely to get one without commissioning an expert on the soul or becoming one himself.
It cut right through Captain Marvel, remember. I doubt either of them have armor tougher than he is.
I understand why it would for something like Grayven's armor or Barda's stick, but my question is not about those, it's about the generic tank/guns or the toy guns they gave intergang, would those really work better in the hands of a new god when they were designed for mooks/slaves/patsies to use?
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