With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

uju32 · Mar 26, 2016

Rift120 said:
SOmething to consider. Orange Lanterns are NOT something that is well known to the galactic community, what with Larfleeze being in timeout for the past few millenia. But Green Lanterns and their limitations are.

Point of order:
1)Orange Lanterns are vulnerable to fear; note how OL says the reason the fear has little effect on him is because he has experience with the Terror Thing.
That and Enlightenment.

2)Desaad was on Earth when OL went full Orange Snake.
He is aware of what an Orange Lantern feels like.

3)The Beast of Okaara was known to the Forever People in the Renegade episode, who are hardly the most knowledgeable around.
In the billion years since Larfleeze took Okaara, you can be sure Apokolips has data on just what Orange Lanterns can do.
Ophidian copped to eating New Gods and spitting them out remember?

Vaermina · Mar 26, 2016

So why didn't he try Branding the new killbot?

Avernus · Mar 26, 2016

Sojiko said:
Another interesting point is that the action of destroying the tank is triggered by red text. I'm pretty sure that's not something Grayven could do.

Probably not. Every time we've seen Grayven think/speak in "wrong color" text his ring (both orange and yellow) has either weakened or outright failed to work at all.

Sojiko said:
Earlier in the story he has explicitly noted that he avoids using those as much as possible because they take huge amount of power compared to his other offensive options.

Actually he said that his problem is that he usually has trouble getting into the right mindset to create them. They are actually very energy efficient for their destructive output.

Sojiko said:
Although I'm not sure how he makes a construct blade capable of destroying one of those in one hit when particle beams and full power railgun bombardment wasn't enough to take one down.

A construct version of one of those cuts-anything X-ionized blades, perhaps?

Vaermina · Mar 26, 2016

uju32 said:
Ophidian copped to eating New Gods and spitting them out remember?

Apokolyptians not New God's, same race different power Source.

Hehehe, I made a pun. :lol

Rift120 · Mar 26, 2016

Stroth said:
Why would he know that? The only Lanterns he's ever interacted with are Green. Hell the only Lanterns that exist right now are Green, Orange, Yellow and presumably Indigo. Sinestro is the only Yellow Lantern and he's not stupid enough to go anywhere near Apokolips. The Indigo Tribe goes out of its way to make sure no one knows they exist. And Larfleeze was the entire Orange Lantern Corps until Paul showed up and he was confined to Okara billions of years before Uxas was even born, much less became Darkseid.

ON the flip side we know Mother box was able to detect the OPhidian and recognize what she is. Knowing about emotional entites COULD be argued that the emotional light spectrum is somewhat known to the High Father and Darkseid. Especially since Darkseid has a fairly far flung intel network. SO it can't be ruled out that he is aware of the Yellow lanterns and possibly discern the truth about the star Sapphires either.

Darkseid has also certainly investigated the nature of the universe in his quest to perfec tthe Anti-life formula to. So I wouldn't count out Darkseid himself being unaware that different emotion spectrum colors would have different emotional weaknesses from just a theoritcal standpoint.

Interestingly I wonder if Paul's whole fusion with OPhidian has unwittingly set back Apokolyptian plans for earth. We know the New GOds were advised not to mess with the ophidian by Mother Box. It may be the gods from APokolyses are equally hesitant. NOt out of fear that they would LOSE mind you, but that dealing with a Emotion Entity would require more resources than one planet that is mostly backwater is worth (or leave them exposed to their 'allies' own schemes back on Apokalyse.)

Avernus · Mar 26, 2016

uju32 said:
Point of order:
1)Orange Lanterns are vulnerable to fear; note how OL says the reason the fear has little effect on him is because he has experience with the Terror Thing.
That and Enlightenment.

2)Desaad was on Earth when OL went full Orange Snake.
He is aware of what an Orange Lantern feels like.

1: Orange Lanterns are affected by fear, but not nearly as much as Greens are. Grayven was able to fight under the influence of a fear projector against the Lump.

2: Mr Zoat said that Desaad thought Paulphidian's aura was something Apokoliptian.

UberJJK · Mar 26, 2016

Mr Zoat said:
I watch and wait for a few moments, then dart forwards to grab the largest pieces before they can fall on anything.

@Mr Zoat - why would there be any pieces falling? If it's rocketing up at ~11km/s then even after the explosion everything should still be flying upwards, if at a slower speed for the bits blow in a downwards direction.

Even if the explosion cut some pieces speed in half, which I doubt, they'd still be going up at 5.5km/s, a good chunk of orbital velocity, and would be looking at a full ten minutes of deceleration before they even start falling downwards.

Actually a quick check:

0 = -9.81t + 5,500
t = 5,500/9.81
t = 560.6 seconds = 9 minutes 20 seconds

X = -4.905 * 560.6^2 + 5,500 * 560.6
X = 1,541,794m = 1,541km

shows they'd be well into space before they come to a stop and begin falling and then another 9 minutes or so before they hit the ground, assuming the wreckage doesn't burn up on reentry.

Stroth · Mar 26, 2016

Rift120 said:
ON the flip side we know Mother box was able to detect the OPhidian

We do?

Avernus · Mar 26, 2016

UberJJK said:
@Mr Zoat - why would there be any pieces falling?

To quote:

Okay, a quick ring-calculation shows that it would crash back down on Earth eventually, but-.

It wasn't quite at escape velocity.

Stroth said:
We do?

Dreamer mentioned it.

uju32 · Mar 26, 2016

Avernus said:
1: Orange Lanterns are affected by fear, but not nearly as much as Greens are. Grayven was able to fight under the influence of a fear projector against the Lump.

Which is good enough.
If it's hitting OL, who is Enlightened, imagine the effects on someone who isn't/

Avernus said:
2: Mr Zoat said that Desaad thought Paulphidian's aura was something Apokoliptian.

Did he?
I remember the Forever People saying this, but not Desaad.
And Darkseid's right hand man and RnD head would recognize strong Apokoliptian signatures.

UberJJK said:
@Mr Zoat - why would there be any pieces falling? If it's rocketing up at ~11km/s then even after the explosion everything should still be flying upwards, if at a slower speed for the bits blow in a downwards direction.

Nuclear-tier self-destruct means enough impulse to cancel acceleration and send them in the opposite direction.

Jamie Roberts · Mar 26, 2016

Vaermina said:
Apokolyptians not New God's, same race different power Source.

Hehehe, I made a pun. :lol

Apokolyptians are New Gods.

Rift120 · Mar 26, 2016

Stroth said:
We do?

Yes when Dreamer told how they got captured by Desaad. SHe mentioned that intially they were in Happy harbor and Motherbox 'detected an emotional entity' and advised it was to dangerous to engage.

Avernus · Mar 26, 2016

uju32 said:
Which is good enough.
If it's hitting OL, who is Enlightened, imagine the effects on someone who isn't

Again; the distinctly un-enlightened Grayven was able to use his ring under the influence of one.

uju32 said:
Did he?
I remember the Forever People saying this, but not Desaad.

Mr Zoat said it out of story.

Silverias · Mar 26, 2016

Trust the Avernus on WoG. He's the only person I trust more than myself on it

Mr Zoat · Mar 26, 2016

Does anyone know what Russians call 'power armour'? Not a translation, what's the equivalent phrase?

Avernus · Mar 26, 2016

Jamie Roberts said:
Apokolyptians are New Gods.

"So how do you tell which New Gods are Apokoliptian, then?"

"I'm told they taste like poop."

"..."

"What?"

Silverias · Mar 26, 2016

Mr Zoat said:
Does anyone know what Russians call 'power armour'? Not a translation, what's the equivalent phrase?

There might not be an equivalent, due to the fact it's a fictitious term.

There's powered exoskeleton, but it lacks some nuance.

uju32 · Mar 26, 2016

Avernus said:
Again; the distinctly un-enlightened Grayven was able to use his ring under the influence of one.

The Awakened Grayven, you mean, who had a Father Box attuning him to a portfolio including stubborness.
And even that was with difficulty, since I remember him saying it was a near thing with the Lump.

Avernus said:
Mr Zoat said it out of story.

Can I get a citation please?

Avernus · Mar 26, 2016

Silverias said:
There might not be an equivalent, due to the fact it's a fictitious term.

Not really, given that real world research is being done into it. It's about as fictitious as "nuclear rocket".

uju32 · Mar 26, 2016

Anyone consider that Dreamer might have been released intentionally to draw the Justice League out of position?
Using Canis Minor as a dupe?
Because I was rereading some of the earlier episodes of this arc, and I'm beginning to wonder....

Avernus · Mar 26, 2016

uju32 said:
Can I get a citation please?

Found it:

Mr Zoat said:
I kind of doubt he missed the whole Ophidian thing given if i recall right Desad was around when it occurred. So he would probably just figure Earth wasn't worth bothering with.

Click to expand...

Click to shrink...

Not really, he just knew that other Apokoliptians were operating on Earth and assumed it was one of them. Desaad thought it was Esak, Esak thought it was Mokkari...

uju32 · Mar 26, 2016

Avernus said:
Found it:

Thank you.
The fact that neither Desaad nor his Father Box could recognize an Orange Lantern/Ophidian aura at range, while a Mother Box can?
Suggests a different speciation in New Genosian hardware compared to Apokoliptian.

Which is interesting, since I generally assume that Mother Boxes and Father Boxes are the same thing, just loyal to different factions.

Silverias · Mar 26, 2016

Avernus said:
Not really, given that real world research is being done into it. It's about as fictitious as "nuclear rocket".

Well, what I mean is, there might not be an equivalent term, it might just be power armor, translated, because as a fictional term, Russia might not have needed to make a more nuanced term for their language.

Conu · Mar 26, 2016

Mr Zoat said:
Does anyone know what Russians call 'power armour'? Not a translation, what's the equivalent phrase?

I am pretty sure Yog speaks Russian and reads Russian scifi, he would probably help out if you ask nicely.

Chaoswind · Mar 26, 2016

Mr Zoat said:
Does anyone know what Russians call 'power armour'? Not a translation, what's the equivalent phrase?

Ask a Russian.

I think Crueldwarf in SB is a Russian Scientists Mayor, so he should know.

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