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- Ashtabula
Um, I'm fairly certain that Paul's ring came from Hinon.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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Queshire
Wants a pink flamingo for their lawn.
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- They/Them
I think it was destroyed personally, but ultimately it doesn't matter what happens to the ring. OL, no matter which OL, was always a Lantern, and a Lantern? Well a Lantern needs a ring. (Well, except for the Indigos.) Giving up his ring symbolizes something.
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- Just hanging
Hey Mr. Zoat what happened to Dana Dearden? Last time she appeared was before Time Trapper sent Paragon Paul somewhere in time and she wasn't sent back in time with Paul and Truggs.
Is she still in the future or some alternate timeline?
Is she still in the future or some alternate timeline?
The_Letter_K
Certified Character
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- ...IJ_LM...
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- She/Her
No, no, don't you see? She too, is the Time Trapper!
... I'm kidding. Also, it seems like there's a chance for Harmonious One and the Hat to get out of this, so I consider it all worthwhile. I read a lot of alternate universe and time travel stuff, so I'm pretty sure I followed this all for the most part. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I do think this is a terrible format for a time travel story though.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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- Central Park
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- He/Him/They/Them
I suspect that the reason for this is to introduce elements of the Mandate-verse and time Trapper Paul into the prime timeline sometime in the future.
I suspect the reason for this is that having written for years and planning to write for years more Zoat occasionally likes to experiment with story lines, Ideas, and concepts which stretch the bounds of his now rather experienced, experience. And also he probably finds it interesting.
Legend of Ruina
Growing eyes on the inside
My one question coming out of this is how dead Savage is. I'm guessing really dead after Mandate Paul disintegrated him, and/or trapped in the Mandate loop, but it's hard to say.
Baladar
Mad Scientist in Training
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- Louisiana
Mandate Paul killed the same Vandal Savage that had been stuck in Valhalla. He might have regenerated in the tomb and has been trapped for centuries now.
The dog that didn't bark, I suspect.
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- Somewhere out there
Extra space before full stop
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It COULD be that Truggs -- being a time traveler in his own right and "protected" from temporal shenanigans -- might in fact now have been removed from the Paragon timeline.
Removed, put through the time loop until almost its end, then put right back into the paragon timeline again a few days before he was originally taken.
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
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- Florida
I was lost here and there, but overall I had a decent grasp of what was going on. I think. Point is I enjoyed the ride and felt it was a good change of pace. Pardon the pun, but I'd really like to see more of Time Trapper Paul and the Legion in the future.
I can get people not liking this story arc for being difficult to follow, but it's not fair to call it "pointless". In fact it's pretty rude. The point is that it's free entertainment, and damn good free entertainment at that. What else of a point does it need?
I can get people not liking this story arc for being difficult to follow, but it's not fair to call it "pointless". In fact it's pretty rude. The point is that it's free entertainment, and damn good free entertainment at that. What else of a point does it need?
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My head hurts, as it should when trying to wrap it around a good time travel story.
I'm really looking forward to four years from now, when this arc finally pays off, so that I can gloat at the people saying it was pointless.
Zoat has been writing for years and plans on writing for quite some time. This is the gun above the mantle, and we're not yet at the end of the book.
Some of you are really bad at long term planning.
Zoat has been writing for years and plans on writing for quite some time. This is the gun above the mantle, and we're not yet at the end of the book.
Some of you are really bad at long term planning.
Scholar of Time
Master of Lurking
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- Born of Sands, Raised in Shadow
Quite so.Never disbelieve in Paul the Orange's ability to complicate matters far beyond our ability to predict. It's possible Mr. Zoat is just Paul, sustaining all of these universes by writing them into existence, so that a ROB (also Paul) can put him there in the first place.
Think about it.
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
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- Florida
hance1986
The One Above All.
I like Paul better than my own name.
Scholar of Time
Master of Lurking
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- Born of Sands, Raised in Shadow
Well, technically a semi-persistent theory indicates that all electrons are just the same electron at different points in it's own timeline.....so maybe? That would fit with reincarnation as a theological theory. *Shrug*
Time travel - causing problems, even in the afterlife.
DBDrake
Totaly A Dragon
I disagree.
All those lives you talk about? They are a memory in some guys head.
The instant anyone goes back in time, unless the universe works harry potter style where there is one timeline that is permanently consistent, everything in the future doesn't cease to exist, it never existed in the first place.
It becomes one of the infinite potential futures that are in the possibility space of the present time.
Just because the present timeline now connects to different one of the infinite possibilities, doesn't mean anyone has died; people just failed to exist.
I mean, every time you make a decision or a quark spins up instead of down, a timeline fails to actualize and all those potential people don't exist. You can't say that they're dead; because to die you have to live first.
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- Ireland
Well, it could be a version of Savage from the relatively near future, or even an identical parallel universe, that's one of the benefits of our POV, the entire plotline is not unveiled to us as it would be in a third person perspective.
Somehow, Hinon slipped my mind, so thanks for the correction. I do think Trapper-Paul is the reason for the AlternaPauls.
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- Alabama
It's interesting that you argue about this, because that's one of the only interesting things about this whole timeline arc - TimeTrapper!Paul is working as hard as he can to keep all of his friends and loved ones alive from that timeline, and like the true Orange Lantern that he is deep down, he's having to wipe out billions in alternate timelines to do it, to keep the people he wants alive. As a meta-commentary about the time travel conceit, WTR is trying to say that someone should think about those things in situations or plotlines like these, because it's abundantly clear that Mandate!Paul's fate is a tragic one. Not just because he can't visit the people he loves, but also because of the lives that he'll have to destroy attempting it.
All that said, individual people living their ordinary lives every day must, as you said, be choosing things that will led to different choices, that will cause others to come into being and others to not. It happens every second of every day and it has from the start of the Universe, and it will until the end. I'm not morally culpable for those lives - if we all felt that we were, we would undoubtedly go insane.
Imagine, for a moment, that MAD happens tomorrow. The few hundred thousand surviving members of humanity live on. Every child, every grandchild, every great-grandchild born in over a few generations has to survive and rebuild most of society from the ground up. There are good moments among the bad, but humanity as a whole lives bleak lives compared to the world that we have today. Eventually, many many years from now, society begins anew, but with a population in millions, not billions. And, in that moment, someone makes a breakthrough - a time machine! Actual time travel is possible and achievable!
So, they go back in time to today's date and intervene before it's too late. Society continues, thanks to their actions, and because of some sort of exit to causality, the time travelers who went back are immune to the changes, remembering everything that happened to the Earth and to their lives before, while getting to see humanity's more successful future, with happier, more positive lives. They can visit the time and date from which they left, but none of the people that they knew are alive anymore.
Those time travelers have almost certainly saved humanity's progress as a species, but at what cost? Individually, these time travelers remember the people they left behind. They can live on for them, but they have undoubtedly prevented countless lives from existing, and they WOULD have existed if not for their actions. Their own family members, their friends, their colleagues are effectively dead in their minds, to them, and that's why they feel that responsibility. Maybe they were in a horrible place, a horrible society, but all that doesn't erase the good and the positivity that those individuals experienced, beyond just their personal experiences.
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I'll say this about the arc, Zoat. You got me to think about the moral implications of time travel in a different way than I did before, and if that was your intention, then it worked on that level.
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'He's only a few tens of thousands of years old. How much trouble can he be?'
Thank you, corrected.
What is a temporal clone?
It was the same ring as the regular SI's ring. By no longer having it in two places at the same time, time was less unstable.
And establishing his motivation.
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