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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Well. That's the most bleak thing I think you've ever done.

I still expect the Pauls to save both earths in the end. But... yeah.
 
...Whelp, you certainly hit the super confusing time travel stuff well @Mr Zoat.

I can confidently say I'm super confused and instead of stressing about it will not think about it at all.

Does this mean that Paul hasn't learned about Obsession's power coins or something?
 
I think the Mandate-Universe now exists inside of a time loop to keep itself safe.

It's entire existence is the four days we saw. Created by Savage, then destroyed by collapsing on itself, creating Time Trapper, who gives Savage the ability to create the Mandate timeline.
 
Hmmaster said:
I think I speak for most when I say, "What?"
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There is always a time trapper, but if time trapper fucks up it will have turned out to be someone else all along. A controller time trapper fucked up, so time trapper had always been savage, who then immediately fucked up, so time trapper has always been Paul.

Time trapper has a limited budget of temporal energy, that he can spend to create short-lived timelines, and increase by allowing those timelines to be destroyed. He very much wants to restore his timeline, but he lacks the budget to do so. So he's put it on a loop to buy time, and he's planning on fucking with time until he has enough energy saved up to preserve it. So basically his plan is to make changes, gloat at the legion until they fix it, then harvest the energy, and keep doing that until he can afford to sustain his timeline.
 
GilliamYaeger said:
Oh, so that's why Enlightenpaul never showed up.

He was never sent to the Mandate universe.
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...okay, so if that is really the case, and the entire thing is a closed loop with no effect on things outside of it, and everything reset to factory standards at the end, so literally nothing progressed or changed:

What was the fucking point of that entire arc.
 
Ah, so it's less a timey wimey ball and more a bird pecking at a diamond mountain... only the mountain is shaped like Mercadia, it has an entire universe on top, and the bird's starting from the bottom, and Mandated Paul is trying to find a way to get those on top safely off and away before... TIMBER!
 
Akatsunami said:
Ooooooooooooh.......... Nope. Still not a clue on what is happening.
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The person who started this whole thing was Jevek Jos Jar, who Paul met on Maltus. Inspired by that meeting, Jevek decided to mess around with time in order to strengthen the Controllers against the Reach, in the process cutting himself off from time and becoming Time Trapper Jevek.

However, he fucked up while trying to improve Earth's tech base, and Vandal Savage ended up becoming Time Trapper Savage. Jevek is unlikely to have survived this, since Mandate Paul got the Trapper robes from Savage, who in turn must have stolen them from Jevek.

And, last update, we saw how Mandate Paul killed Savage. In the original time line, Paul then went on to kill Time Trapper Savage, and became Time Trapper Paul in the process, maintaining his universe in a four day time loop. In one of those loops, possibly all of them, Mandate Paul ends up going back to the past, killing Savage, and then joining Time Trapper Paul outside of the universe.

Then Time Trapper Paul teams up with Dox, who hasn't realized that he's been interacting with three different Time Trappers. Enlightenpaul sees the Time Trapper and thinks that he's talking to Time Trapper Jevek, when he's really talking to Time Trapper Paul. TT Paul then sends Enlightenpaul back to the prime timeline, hence why he's nowhere to be found in the Mandate universe, then sends Truggs back to the Mandate timeline to continue the time loop he's maintaining.

And now, Time Trapper Paul is trying to figure out what the hell he's going to do with the looping timeline he's got on his hands, and how to save it before it runs out of energy and collapses.

That explain everything?
 
Ganurath said:
Teekl would disagree.
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Billions mostly dead. At least - it's not like earth hasn't impacted other planets, which means other worlds could also be changed, and every change is a death.

But they're held back from complete oblivion by cannibalizing other defunct timelines. Timelines Timetrapper Paul endlessly creates, and then lets the Legion destroy. Each of those is another atrocity of beings conjured into existence only to be banished again. All to buy a four day timeloop that ends in tragedy a few more repetitions. And it's an endless task with little hope of ever being escaped.

Yeah.




Also, we still don't know why know one knows about Paul in the future, and what's going on with that.
 
random_npc said:
There is always a time trapper, but if time trapper fucks up it will have turned out to be someone else all along. A controller time trapper fucked up, so time trapper had always been savage, who then immediately fucked up, so time trapper has always been Paul.

Time trapper has a limited budget of temporal energy, that he can spend to create short-lived timelines, and increase by allowing those timelines to be destroyed. He very much wants to restore his timeline, but he lacks the budget to do so. So he's put it on a loop to buy time, and he's planning on fucking with time until he has enough energy saved up to preserve it. So basically his plan is to make changes, gloat at the legion until they fix it, then harvest the energy, and keep doing that until he can afford to sustain his timeline.
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Since it's not an alternate universe, then trying to make other timelines and allow them to be destroyed means that either A) they happen off-screen so that they don't effect the story or B) we'll see really strange changes throughout the next few chapters as Trapper!Paul keeps fucking over the timeline to give himself more power. Personally, I hope for the former so that we can just pretend this whole thing never happened.
 
Mr Zoat said:
And then Ms Colbert's practice session tomorrow afternoon -assuming that she isn't busy explaining this mess- and I need to speak to Angelica…
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,,,,,honestly it's been too long so...who are these two?
I have no idea if they are people I forgot or alternate timeline shenanigans.


Having said that I loved the ending actually.
 
TheLurker said:
...okay, so if that is really the case, and the entire thing is a closed loop with no effect on things outside of it, and everything reset to factory standards at the end, so literally nothing progressed or changed:

What was the fucking point of that entire arc.
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The point is that Time Trapper Paul has a contained timeline in his hands and he's creating then killing untold billions upon billions in order to maintain it by manipulating the Legion.

And he's possibly multiplying, if each four day loop ends with another Paul and Truggs walking out of it.

...Oh god, this is going to end with a small army of Truggs, isn't it
 
Hmmaster said:
Since it's not an alternate universe, then trying to make other timelines and allow them to be destroyed means that either A) they happen off-screen so that they don't effect the story or B) we'll see really strange changes throughout the next few chapters as Trapper!Paul keeps fucking over the timeline to give himself more power. Personally, I hope for the former so that we can just pretend this whole thing never happened.
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we're likely not going to be seeing much more of it. he has all of time and space to fuck with, and he knows earth is a huge wildcard.


personally, I liked this chapter, and I find TT pauls fate pretty tragic. He's a monster on a scale beyond comprehension, but he's doing it to save everyone he loves.
 
I'm still not sure why so many people equate temporally unmaking someone with killing them. While there are, given, similarities, there are huge, gaping differences as well.

Also...does that make Time Trapper a superposition analogue?
 
GilliamYaeger said:
The point is that Time Trapper Paul has a contained timeline in his hands and he's creating then killing untold billions upon billions in order to maintain it by manipulating the Legion.

And he's possibly multiplying, if each four day loop ends with another Paul and Truggs walking out of it.

...Oh god, this is going to end with a small army of Truggs, isn't it
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Alright, Time Shenanigans are now starting to make me think too much of the possibility of everything.

I do like how this ended with TT Paul trying to find that one perfect solution to save his all he loves.

Still as this is a Comic Story, Time fuckey was to be expected at one point, but hopefully it takes another 69 episodes before it makes a return at this kind of scale.
 
I liked this. I really, really liked this. Inventive world building, and a feeling of finality with this update. It was a refreshing break from "the ongoing adventures."
 
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