With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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TheLurker
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Ima be honest, I didn't like this at all. It has none of the establishment of the renegade or paragon timelines to make me care about the characters, it seems to have completed itself without any lasting impact on the primary storylines, and the entire thing was a horrendously confusing mess of time travel shenanigans that literally needed a summary chapter at the end to make any sense.
I have a feeling this is gonna wind up in the YMMV section of the tvtropes page.
shepsquared
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Its pretty clearly setting up for a crossover down the line since TTP mentioned possible leaks from the timeline.
T0PH4T
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You cheeky motherfucker.
OH REALLY, IT'S PERFECTLY CLEAR TO ME!
Because no one's got the "time" for that shit? Eh? EH!?
John Constantine never was more awesome than when he wore a hat.
Just like that, problem avoided.
. . . Wow. Mind fuck is real.
Same buddy. No goddamn idea.
Welcome to stable time loops 101. Pain in the arse, aren't they?
I think it was the author messing around with time travel. I found the alternate timeline interesting, even if I would rather see more gearing up for Reach. I do agree that this felt far weaker than Zoat's usual work, but it did force me to think about time in a way I hadn't before. That, and it shows WHY you don't have time travelers popping up every twenty seconds during the second world war, trying to kill a man named Adolf.
Yes, actually. Thanks for the explanation!
But still....
SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE STATE OF THE SHIPPING TO ME!
GullibleCynic
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That was amazing! That was a really clever way of tying together such disparate elements. Time travel is hard but this was consistent by its own rules in a way I rarely see done. Well done
To echo others, it was also pretty dark. Savage truly is a monster. He created a doomed timeline with a mostly doomed OL desperately trying to hold back the tide. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. But we may never know. OL doesn't always win. And right now the primary version doesn't even know how dangerous Savage can be. He might be able to imagine, but thats not the same as having knowledge that might be actionable. I think you actually upped Savage's threat factor
To echo others, it was also pretty dark. Savage truly is a monster. He created a doomed timeline with a mostly doomed OL desperately trying to hold back the tide. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. But we may never know. OL doesn't always win. And right now the primary version doesn't even know how dangerous Savage can be. He might be able to imagine, but thats not the same as having knowledge that might be actionable. I think you actually upped Savage's threat factor
The Bushranger
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Ah, of course, this is the be-all and end-all of the plot, and NOTHING can EVER come later to expand, clarify, contexify, or build on it. At all. Not even once!
Or so I have learned every time Zoat doesn't write exactly what the hivemind demands, and post it all at once, anyway.
Never change, SpaceVelocity. Never change.
Or so I have learned every time Zoat doesn't write exactly what the hivemind demands, and post it all at once, anyway.
Never change, SpaceVelocity. Never change.
Heleor
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The new pairing is Paul/Jade and Paul/Jade/Jade.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Eh, it's pretty obvious that this isn't the end of it, though? I mean, Mandate Paul is going to keep screwing up time to reap energy/'flexibility'. His closed time loop will also 'leak' over time, and the whole thing isn't stable.
This plot thread will probably sleep for a time, maybe years irl, but I suspect it's going to be involved in the big final of this fic.
nmWarden
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So next chapter is the start of Grayven's arc, then two chapters of our Paul, and then two more of Grayven. As far as I can tell Grayven's trip through space should not have inspired renegade-Jevek to cause this series of events. That doesn't mean this time loop scenario leaves him unscathed though...
T0PH4T
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Now all we have to do is unify all three timelines and we can have E!Paul/P!Jade/R!Paul/R!Jade/M!Paul/M!Jade/M!Lantern Jade! My favorite OT7.
Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
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Think this arc was an excellent representation of why you shouldn't mess with time travel, way too confusing.
Should invest in multiverse traveling instead, much less confusing and much more useful overall since you gain access to literally anything.
Should invest in multiverse traveling instead, much less confusing and much more useful overall since you gain access to literally anything.
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Yes, as he wasn't talking.
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If this does affect the future of the story, it sounds cool. Trapper!Paul, as a concept, is too interesting to be a one-off, so if we can explore it in the future, it might be fun. Just hoping that his next appearance is not in as convoluted an arc as this one was.
My only immediate concern is that I hope that its knock-on effects from before October 22 2011 are not so great that the story and the world's changes that Paul has built from the start is too different from the one that we've seen thus far. Basically, if this is supposed to soft-reboot the timeline that we've been reading for a while, then it had better be handled gracefully.
how did I not realize this sooner?
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Since everyone's chiming in, I'll throw out my opinion that I liked it.
Then again, I'm not really consuming this as a traditional story per se, with acts, a central conflict, etc. More like one of those slice-of-life sitcoms/anime that goes on, maintaining mostly consistent quality, until an actor leaves, budget gets slashed, etc. I pull up SV around the same time each day, check out how the situation's going, and wonder what part of DC I'll learn about tomorrow/next episode.
This is just that one time travel episode, which ran a bit long due to the nature of the format, but in the end we got a glance at a nice what-if and, in the end, everything's back to normal for the next episode.
And it might strain disbelief a little bit if OL doesn't try to exploit or is stopped from exploitingscrying hacking superspeed danner alternate universes the ophidian time travel, but that's just how things go to not jump genres or make a hard right into wank.
Then again, I'm not really consuming this as a traditional story per se, with acts, a central conflict, etc. More like one of those slice-of-life sitcoms/anime that goes on, maintaining mostly consistent quality, until an actor leaves, budget gets slashed, etc. I pull up SV around the same time each day, check out how the situation's going, and wonder what part of DC I'll learn about tomorrow/next episode.
This is just that one time travel episode, which ran a bit long due to the nature of the format, but in the end we got a glance at a nice what-if and, in the end, everything's back to normal for the next episode.
And it might strain disbelief a little bit if OL doesn't try to exploit or is stopped from exploiting
Vanishing Point, due to it's unique nature temporally and physically, does have additional limits though. The original conversation ParaPaul had with Dox hinted at this.
T0PH4T
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The tip off for me was when the Harmonious One (chaos and law magic) shapeshifted his face (Changing Man).
I'm very interested in seeing John again, but I also accept that it's going to take time. Like, I think we'll catch a glimpse of him at Reach, but past that?
How DOES one reconcile two such disparate energy types? Blaze's adaptation to angel energy will tell us something, but that might be some time still.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
We don't actually know if any energy will do or the conversion cost, or how large the harvest is from pruning timelines. I think if sufficient bleed generators was a solution, Paul would have managed that quick.
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OK, that ended up making perfect sense, in the end, and made me care a lot more about the mandated timeline than I did when it seemed the main timeline was at stake. See, I told you all time travel can make sense as long as it's done well. Also seems to have the possibility for a "Groundhog's Day" style loop in the Mandated timeline, what with the "people will remember, and try to change things". Zoat probably won't write it, but maybe someone else will and get it made canon by Zoat. Maybe from the perspective of Harmonious One, since he seems to be a fan-favorite?
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This is kind of a shit story-line to be honest. It is an interlude of an entirely different set of characters set in an entirely different setting, it has no impact on the original story and allows no character growth or plot progression. On top of that, there is no resolution. Time manipulators are still explicitly fucking about, more temporal problems are going to be engineered and everything is still the same as it always was, with the same source of all the problems, just with a new label.
It's utterly pointless. You could literally have cut the entire thing from the main story and lost nothing - because that is exactly what you did. You added it in, then you cut it all out. It makes me care not a whit.
It's utterly pointless. You could literally have cut the entire thing from the main story and lost nothing - because that is exactly what you did. You added it in, then you cut it all out. It makes me care not a whit.
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I disagree. I really like this plotline. It didn't work all that well in daily installments, admittedly, but I like where it ended up going. It ended up with some interesting concepts, and at the end all the time stuff was clearly explained, so it's not confusing any more. And anyone saying it was pointless is being ridiculous. This is clearly going to be relevant later. If NOTHING ELSE, we've now got a Time Trapper Paul running around. He doesn't just stop existing once this episode is over.
To those complaining that this "doesn't matter", I refer you to Alan Moore's famous quote at the beginning of Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
"This is an imaginary story. But then, aren't they all?"
It was entertaining enough on its own and it kept me guessing about what was going to happen. If it didn't impact the 'main story', well so what? It stood well enough on its own, and it gave us another perspective on who Orange Lantern is and how he would and wouldn't be a different person given different circumstances. Matter enough. An elseworlds like "Superman: Red Son" doesn't change the ongoing continuity of the regular Superman titles, but it doesn't need to if it tells a good Superman story. This was a good Orange Lantern story even if it was basically an elseworlds.
"This is an imaginary story. But then, aren't they all?"
It was entertaining enough on its own and it kept me guessing about what was going to happen. If it didn't impact the 'main story', well so what? It stood well enough on its own, and it gave us another perspective on who Orange Lantern is and how he would and wouldn't be a different person given different circumstances. Matter enough. An elseworlds like "Superman: Red Son" doesn't change the ongoing continuity of the regular Superman titles, but it doesn't need to if it tells a good Superman story. This was a good Orange Lantern story even if it was basically an elseworlds.
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