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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Ah is this the LSH DLC? It's pretty decent, not sure why you paid for this but not the Suicide Squad one though. The SS DLC Adds a similar amount of content for a much lower price and your actions in it actually affect characters and wolrd you've already interacted with.

The LSH DLC is fun but the isolated nature of it means it has much less impact on the main story. It's more akin to a small game of its own using your PC from the main game than anything else.


Oh well least, fingers crossed he hits the right flags for Emerald Empress. It's not cheating if she's dead and since this is the far future Jade is pretty much guaranteed to be dead and gone by now. Also be nice to get the achievement for meeting the younger superman they borrowed from the past before his memory gets whiped.
 
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epileptic tree time.

OL isn't known in the future because the future actually started at the end of time and works backward.

The middle is the only part you can meaningfully change by altering the timestream. Thus the whole Rip talking about tachyons carrying info backwards and that the universe knows how its supposed to be- the past and the future are actually just two separate starting points, so there is no actual need for causal consistency between them since they each look at causality from the opposite direction.

When time traveling it's possible to jump polarity- so LOSH adventures in the past can affect the future of the forward-timeline, but they cannot affect their own timeline that way because their timeline actually moves backward from the future. If they want to change their own timeline they should first jump to their own future and change events such that the only causal way to achieve the result is for their 'current' to have changed. Thus changing their present.

OL isn't in the LOSH future, because he only changed the forward-moving timeline. Not the backwards-moving one.
 
Mr Zoat said:
The male Human holds up.. some sort of crystal with a computer attached. Ring, what exactly-?

"Hold still for about two seconds."

"Are you doing a selfie-?"

Space distends around us, New York vanishing in a heartbeat as we're all inexorably drawn upwards! I try flying sideways but I just seem to be.. moving in a circle! Gravity-? No, this is.. a shrunken universe where there literally isn't room for significant lateral flight.

Who the heck are these people?

A moment later I'm thrown out into some sort of… Small room made of a pale green material with a glowing red energy barrier covering the front. Through it I see the other four appear into the corridor outside, and a.. coluan nods in greeting before turning to look at me.

"This does not appear to be the Persuader."
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I'm suddenly reminded of the time when we were thinking about the logistics of using a portal to hell to vent pressure from a contained nuke going off.

On a side note; reading the phrase "male human" in the same way that you normally see aliens described by their race and gender is weird.


Firlz said:
epileptic tree time.

OL isn't known in the future because the future actually started at the end of time and works backward.

The middle is the only part you can meaningfully change by altering the timestream. Thus the whole Rip talking about tachyons carrying info backwards and that the universe knows how its supposed to be- the past and the future are actually just two separate starting points, so there is no actual need for causal consistency between them since they each look at causality from the opposite direction.

When time traveling it's possible to jump polarity- so LOSH adventures in the past can affect the future of the forward-timeline, but they cannot affect their own timeline that way because their timeline actually moves backward from the future. If they want to change their own timeline they should first jump to their own future and change events such that the only causal way to achieve the result is for their 'current' to have changed. Thus changing their present.

OL isn't in the LOSH future, because he only changed the forward-moving timeline. Not the backwards-moving one.
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Fith dimentional map making is hard...
 
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He could just not be known in the Legion time because he, as a public figure, only had fleeting fame in the public eye, in grand scheme of things, as far as Earth goes. Maybe in future books about the OLC, he's only notable as the first Illustres - barely more than a footnote. The magitech revolution happens, sure, but history maybe attributes that movement to the major companies like KordTech that got involved.

If you remember, for the first year, most of his superheroism that the general public would know about was done through the covert arm of the Justice League. In canon, the public didn't know the Team existed as its own entity until the start of season 2, when the Reach exposed them on television. The public definitely would not know that Paul was the one who ended the League of Shadows, they definitely would not know about the Nabu situation. The Cake Man might be known for now, but one thousand years from now? That's barely urban legend worthy knowledge.

The Supergirl TV series has Legion characters involved this season, and they don't have a lot of foreknowledge about what happens in the present, because at some point in between, catastrophe hits the Earth and they lose a lot of their infrastructure, including a lot of their past records. Maybe something like that happened in the future (ie Reach invasion or something worse).

He doesn't have to literally be resistant to chroniton radiation or tachyons or something just because he's from a different universe. It could simply be that, much like history these days, history is flawed and relies on evidence that persists through time to be found and recorded.
 
Hmmaster said:
He could just not be known in the Legion time because he, as a public figure, only had fleeting fame in the public eye, in grand scheme of things, as far as Earth goes. Maybe in future books about the OLC, he's only notable as the first Illustres - barely more than a footnote. The magitech revolution happens, sure, but history maybe attributes that movement to the major companies like KordTech that got involved.
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Paul is immortal. If he isn't around in the future that may be a cause for concern.
 
It could just be as easy as the being responsible for OL winding up there not letting anyone from his future being allowed to travel back into the past of this timeline precisely to prevent OL from knowing what effects his presence has caused.
 
uju32 said:
They put him in a cell?
Oh, this is going to go swimmingly.
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I suspect it was more of a preprogrammed effect, they were originally planning to get close to persuader and yank him 'home', so when they triggered the time jump, OL ended up in the cell.

MrCogmor said:
Paul is immortal. If he isn't around in the future that may be a cause for concern.
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Or he may simply not spend much time around Earth. The LSH may know of the 'immortal OLC Illustres' but not what his name or species is (there's a lot of human look-alike races in DC), and they may only interact with lower ranked members of the OLC.

Ronear said:
Wait wait. The legion of super heroes wear kinetic belt right? Was Paul responsible for that?
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No, the Legionnaires usually use a Flight Ring which provides flight (duh) and an environmental field.
 
parnary said:
No shit, Sherlock. Did the power ring give it away? Or perhaps the fact that he wasn't (currently) murdering superheroes? I bet it was the way he wasn't running at people with a giant sword and screaming his head off!

Aren't you supposed to be a Coluan? Did you get your electronics from the discount store or something?
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Ah Legion Of Superheroes, They give some many Time Traveling headaches the Monitors would erase them from existence if they weren't one of the few things keeping Superman on the side of good due to subconscious memories of him being part of the Legion in the past. Or something like that.
 
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Ronear said:
Oh. I was talking about that flight belt. I thought that kinetic belt is a flight belt. Or was I mixing things up??
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They don't sound the same...the kinetic belt does allow you to fly, but I gather that that's almost a side effect of the fact that it manipulates kinetic energy. It's been shown to make the wearer bulletproof, even absorb and store energy from kinetic strikes to empower them, and can imprison targets inside kinetic bubbles (at close range).

But I don't know anything worth mentioning about the Legion flight belt.
 
I really like the Legion of Supeheroes as both a concept and as characters, so I'm excited about the story going here.

I just hope Orange Lantern doesn't shit all over them somehow. They're good kids, trying their best to help people!
 
Grosstoad said:
Okay, time tries to passively return to its basic cliffnotes, despite time travelers mucking up things.

Time travelers can move back and forth between their personal branch, up to a cliffnote trunkline, unless that branch's or branches' cliffnote is actually still a secondary or Nth branch of the main trunk, because cliffnote can also go up and down and change in severity or impact...

Mucking up a cliffnote or making up a faux cliffnote to branch elsewhen does not actually make the prior line gone... They just went sideways and harder to go to and fro from the new trunk and sometimes they can even try to affect them back.

... or just wait till Time rebraids that sideways timeline into its cliffnotes.

. . . WMG.
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So,minimal changes are self defeating, go for massive brute-force disruptions to completely derail the "script" ( i.e requiring even more massive causal "effort" to revert)if you wanna enforce a change, even a minor one, hmmm? Intresting idea- make accepting the change the path of least resistance for causality.....
 
I'm actually rather surprised that OL didn't identify the Legion in that last scene and hasn't thought of them at all during all previous discussion of time travel. Even if he was never much of a LOSH fan, they're a fairly major part of DC Universe continuity. Given that he's been able to name much more obscure characters on demand, it's rather odd.
 
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I'm actually rather surprised that OL didn't identify the Legion in that last scene and hasn't thought of them at all during all previous discussion of time travel. Even if he was never much of a LOSH fan, they're a fairly major part of DC Universe continuity. Given that he's been able to name much more obscure characters on demand, it's rather odd.
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At this point he has had basically no exposure to the Legion. One episode of JLU and.. bit players in a couple of comics. Plus, real people look different to comic characters anyway and the three he met weren't in costume.
 
You know, if the Legion of Superhero exists ... Then why the hell didn't Superman end up getting a conversation when he found out about Superboy? Unless the Legion didn't know about Superboy, then I could see the Legion talking through Young Justice's Superman's problems. Unless the Legion in their own relative past, did not travel into Superman's relative past, and have Superman go into the Future from his perspective, then be returned to his own time. But that would just be plain weird.
 
Norgarth said:
Or he may simply not spend much time around Earth. The LSH may know of the 'immortal OLC Illustres' but not what his name or species is (there's a lot of human look-alike races in DC), and they may only interact with lower ranked members of the OLC.
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He may also not spend a ton of time in that universe. We know that at some point in the future, Paul gains the ability to hop between universes, and that he uses it to recruit people from other franchises (Captain Planet, Avatar, Kung Fu Panda). We just don't know when he starts doing that. Maybe in an in-story year he stumbles into a universe where Magic: The Gathering went the way of Spellfire and the Babylon 5 card game is on its thirtieth expansion, and decides to stay there for a couple decades.
 
Also, depending on temporal mechanics, Future Orange Lantern might be away considering he remembers this time travel event. As if you can't travel to a point in time, where you already exist, then Paul might have had to say go elsewhere while this is happening to allow this to happen.
 
Firlz said:
epileptic tree time.

OL isn't known in the future because the future actually started at the end of time and works backward.

The middle is the only part you can meaningfully change by altering the timestream. Thus the whole Rip talking about tachyons carrying info backwards and that the universe knows how its supposed to be- the past and the future are actually just two separate starting points, so there is no actual need for causal consistency between them since they each look at causality from the opposite direction.

When time traveling it's possible to jump polarity- so LOSH adventures in the past can affect the future of the forward-timeline, but they cannot affect their own timeline that way because their timeline actually moves backward from the future. If they want to change their own timeline they should first jump to their own future and change events such that the only causal way to achieve the result is for their 'current' to have changed. Thus changing their present.

OL isn't in the LOSH future, because he only changed the forward-moving timeline. Not the backwards-moving one.
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Your understanding is flawed the only difference between the past and future is perspective. For example in your own example if you moved to the "future" then it would become your present and thus you'd be trying to change the past. Thus forcing you to travel further into the future ad infinitum. Thus unfortunately the only feasible method to changing the future is to ride out the forward moving timeline of the past that might not be your own. Unless you find a way to remove yourself from causality future and past will always infact be the present.
 
Well. Timey-wimey ball, indeed.
Since the experience of time is something of an illusion, causality is... well, imagine that you have a line that goes from left to right, with stuff in it. Saying that past affects future, but future cannot affect past, is kinda like saying that stuff in the line can only affect stuff that is to the right of it, but not stuff that is to the left of it. Now, depending on the stuff, this may be true, but if the rightmost item happens to be a sufficiently fast-moving projectile, well, even if there are baffles or valves of some sort, that is going to be of limited significance.

Of course, this example requires something to act as "time" for there to be an effect, so we need something that is the time of time for changes to propagate?
 
Mr Zoat said:
Write up a job spec. and I'll take a look at it
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Unnecessary full stop.

Mr Zoat said:
durlan
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ThrawnCA said:
I would still capitalise this since they're named after a planet.
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Mr Zoat said:
Not all durlans are Durlish.
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Whether that's a meaningful defense is debatable but can be chalked up to author fiat like your other style quirks, but what about:
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coluan
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Since I'm reasonably certain they're all from Colu?
 
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