With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Guys, the "put siskin in charge" plan?
- He doesn't have any other immediately available option.
- It doesn't preclude him from giving up on it and imprisoning the fucker, once the prison-array-thingy is ready, which currently is not.
- He has a power ring, preventing a bunch of civilians from harming themselves and others? he can do that shit in his sleep.
So playing delaying action until either Siskin wins or the array is ready? perfectly reasonable.
Particularly since until the last chapter where Fear was trying to get a host, the situation had shown no signs of sudden change or an immediacy that would require ditching both plans.
- He doesn't have any other immediately available option.
- It doesn't preclude him from giving up on it and imprisoning the fucker, once the prison-array-thingy is ready, which currently is not.
- He has a power ring, preventing a bunch of civilians from harming themselves and others? he can do that shit in his sleep.
So playing delaying action until either Siskin wins or the array is ready? perfectly reasonable.
Particularly since until the last chapter where Fear was trying to get a host, the situation had shown no signs of sudden change or an immediacy that would require ditching both plans.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
It's one and the same. The law is, in a sense, an extension of the Constitution; laws (or parts of laws) being struck down as unconstitutional is a thing because the Constitution is the highest form of law.
Now, if he's trying to say that the Constitution is fundamentally wrong/flawed on a specific kind of issue, that would be something warranting a presidential pardon. However, it's more likely that the Supreme Court would start with the fundamental principles of the Constitution first, then see the failure of the law to be true to those principles, and thus enact judicial review for the aspects of the law that result in that failure.
In this case, the Supreme Court would probably highlight two things (among others):
1) The executive branch of government is tasked with the enforcement of the law, which includes things like apprehending or eliminating mass murderers. The executive branch also sees to national defense and the protection of the people. The Supreme Court would say that the executive branch is clearly failing in these duties, to the point that the security of the nation's people was reliant upon vigilantism in this case.
2) The right to self-defense does not (conventionally) include murder of specific individuals who are clear and present dangers to oneself; this is because the state, which holds a monopoly on the right to proactively use force, is expected to make that unnecessary (as in, to enforce the law equally and fairly). However, it is clear that the state is not currently capable of doing so, and it's also clear that the state is not perfect in doing so even in non-supervillain cases (like with well-protected or savvy abusers), and the law needs to acknowledge and respect the nuances of this expanded definition of self-defense on a case-by-case basis.
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If the situation was stable then he wouldn't need fate. He's determined not to involve him on general principle, which is short-sighted when he clearly wasn't capable of handling the situation his own way.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
- Location
- Baton Rouge
We combined that
Swings her right
Jordan's back
With optic nerves
Sitting on the top of
Aliens' main guns
Think you mentioned not wanting the Ophidian to get a permanent intelligence increase.
Not when you're
Within it
It's part of the
Sensation returns to my skin
And a young woman
Then you have shared
I wonder what
'I' should be replaced with 'we', unless that's intentional
Recover our lantern
Do you want to know
Determination equals success
Sometimes it's not worth
Against its front
Into my mouth
It finally comes off
As a length of small
Lantern seems happy
Fabricate a replacement
M'gann's smile becomes
I settle for briefly
Hey.. Whaaaw.
She just saw me
While the others fall back
Infinity Man glows gold
Rotates on the spot
Hangar from outside
Used to secure the Earth
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
- Location
- Baton Rouge
Stable as in 'OL can keep everyone from killing each other and themselves' not 'back to normal'. His method only just failed, we didn't get to see how he would have dealt with it in the medium term past getting everyone relatively incapacitated.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
Pretty much this. Also, Paul would have done his best to handle it without anyone else being killed, and so would Zatara on his own or Zatara in the Renegade timeline with OrangeFate, but I'm not so sure about Nabu, which should be a concern for Beryl, and a good reason for Paul to want to keep him out of it.
Knightfall
Nui lover and Slaaneshi
- Location
- New York, New York
This has gone to hell time to kill Nabu.
Jamie Roberts
Hávamál 127
- Location
- N/A
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- she/her
Yes, how dare he come to the rescue when told that they needed him to come to the rescue! What kind of sick twisted b@$&@># would help people when asked to!?
Knightfall
Nui lover and Slaaneshi
- Location
- New York, New York
Nabu is an asshole.
Weero
Taijiquan Initiate
I'm sorry, but I just have to do this, I'm compelled.
THESE WOUNDS~ THEY WILL~ NOT HEEE-AAAL~
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
- Pronouns
- He/Him
And yet somehow the planet is crawling with politicians and pundits that have gone unslain. Where, pray tell, are the noble knights of old? Where is our Saint George?
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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-
Meh, it's been a couple of months, this isn't the fastest moving thread on site. That would probably be the Outer Chatroom.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
"Grayven. It's Grayven. Not George. Do I look like a 'George'? And really, after getting nuked while killing a RoboPresident I'm laying off the political assassinations for a while; that hurt like hell. I think I'll stick with blackmail and intimidation for now."
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Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'd say he doesn't look like a Saint, either, what with his being alive and all, but after that nuke...
Mithrandir
Endurance and victory!
- Location
- Lighting the Blue Beacons.
Hmm. Interesting question. What happens if you necromance a Saint? Do they lose their Sainthood? Do you get a zombie Saint running around, ripping open peoples' skulls and baptizing their brains with holy water? Does their own holiness burn then to ash?
Hullevow (part 23)
- Location
- Hampden Park
4th March
20:06 GMT
"You could be happier."
"Yes, probably." Five hundred orange strands fill the air, a tiny distortion revealing Kaldur's location. It's a bit like Heroes of Might and Magic V. You spend all that time levelling up Godric and Isabel and then you have to fight against them. With Wood Elves, ugh. Kaldur knows full well that he can't block my better attacks with any magic he can perform, so he… What was it he called it? Blessing of Squid Ink? Not quite invisible and not quite intangible but enough of both to be a pain in the arse. I can't tell what else he's doing, he's still fortified.
"But Fate's here. I mean, we were only supposed to be getting information for him anyway. And shouldn't we have briefed him?"
I have sort of been wondering how much he pulls his punches during training. "Nabu knows more about magic than either of us. I'm sure he'll be fine."
Alert! Spell Eater temperature increasing.
Because just because you've found one invisible assailant… Empathic vision's blocked, so I can't tell if they're being directly controlled or just motivated by inserted fear. "Kaldur, Garth, Tula! It's me!"
Kaldur's illusory spell fades away, revealing his location. It's a little like D&D invisibility; vigorous activity tends to make it fall apart. He's got his Water Bearers out and active but doesn't make any immediate move. Okay, positive move. "Kaldur, I think you're being influenced by Terror Thing again. Nabu's got the villagers contained-."
He brings his Water Bearers up into guard position, water ends outwards. "Webster. Not this time."
Ah fu-.
I barely see it as a circle of frost forms around us. I'm too aaagh! I don't, agh, know who Webster is, but Kaldur's brain is firing on all cylinders. I never ran into a fear projector myself, but I remember the sensation all too well. The sudden increase in alertness as the adrenaline kicks in, the mild nausea…
Alert! Spell Eater temperature increasing.
I'm not… There aren't a lot of things I'm afraid of. Not irrationally so, at any rate. Heights used to scare me, but… I've been flying everywhere. Even diving down from high up in the sky is fun when I'm in control.
Alert! Spell Eater temperature increasing.
Death scares me. The concept that my consciousness could simply cease. Oh yes, that's where I remember this feeling from. I haven't had any religious faith since I was old enough to realise that adults could be wrong about things. Even here, where I know from direct experience that souls are real and there is life after death, I've… Really been focused on extending my life, rather than…
Alert! Spell Eater temperature critical.
They're overwhelming it! Putting so much force into it… I dread to think the amount of raw power that takes. Okay, construct armour's gone. At my default resilience, any of the Atlanteans can beat me down. Why aren't they? Breathing hard, I raise my head to meet Kaldur's eyes. His tattoos are glowing just about as hard as they can, his stance... This is as much as he can do.
I hope?
"You fear."
I.. sort of.. flop around. "Beryl?"
"I couldn't feel you. I couldn't touch you. But now I can. They feared me and now I understand what I am. They understood how to connect me to you, and now I touch your soul as I do everyone else's."
Ordered yellow lights.
"Fate fears as well. He fears obsolescence. He fears failing in his duty. You can't fight what is already inside you."
I should… Say something clever. Ask it w-. What it fears. If there's anything of Siskin in there that hasn't been consumed. Instead I curl up on myself, clutching at my own face in a frantic attempt to deny the external stimuli. How can I-?
Inside.
I twist, grabbing at the box containing my personal lantern. Openopenopen!
Agent? Your mind is strange.
Join with me.
Gladly.
Ah! She's trying, I can feel a little of what we are when she and I are together, but the fear inducement effect is so intense that the snake part of us cannot comprehend it. I just about manage to stagger to our feet and face the thing possessing Beryl. Yellow, yellow and more yellow. It doesn't really want, but simply reacts to its environment. What we're talking to must just be the Siskin part. Okay, fine, but was he totally subsumed or is he still in there as a separate being? Is he just a mouthpiece, transcribing inhuman thoughts in a Human fashion, or does his mind still function?
I can see the yellow lights all around me as the assault continues. As the Ophidian, we don't precisely have fears and that's keeping it out. Perhaps I can disrupt it in the same way we reinforced Siskin? We exhale orange light into Beryl and the ordered yellow light shudders. For the briefest moment I feel normal. Kaldur glows a little less as the Terror Thing momentarily loses its connection to the Atlanteans as well. Is that it? No, they're still full of yellow. I have no idea who 'Webster' is, but… Webster. That was the name of Geotroniks' Head of Security. Would the people Geotroniks used to make it have been afraid of him? No, their notes made it clear that their paranoia had a single focus. Siskin's fear, then?
"Siskin!" We breathe out again, our exhalation passing through Beryl along her connection to the Terror Thing. There's a great deal of loss along the way; the connection is one of fear and not avarice. But we dimly perceive something at the far end, something that can still want in its own right. "I know what it's like to be consumed by an emotion! To feel at an intensity that the Human psyche wasn't designed to process! You can't win by force of will!" This would be much easier if we just had a white ring. "The only way out is to accept the sensation, no matter how-!"
"Easier said than done." Kaldur's mouth, but not his voice. "I've been trapped in this nightmare for twelve years. I've felt every fear exactly as it was felt by people paralysed by the intensity of their fears and I've felt it all the time. And the thing that I fear most has been eating my soul."
"What? Do you expect it to get better? Do you think you'll get any respite once it's finished?"
"I only hope-" I turn as Siskin switches to using Tula. "-that when it's finally finished I might finally experience oblivion. My every thought, my every feeling is one of absolute terror. Can you even begin to understand what that's like?"
"Yes. We can. The Ophidian and the Orange Lantern came to terms. I know it can be done because I did it."
"I don't believe you."
Ophidian, back in the lantern please.
Agent?
I know what I'm doing.
I reach into my armour and pull off the hot-to-the-touch Spell Eater.
Probably.
20:06 GMT
"You could be happier."
"Yes, probably." Five hundred orange strands fill the air, a tiny distortion revealing Kaldur's location. It's a bit like Heroes of Might and Magic V. You spend all that time levelling up Godric and Isabel and then you have to fight against them. With Wood Elves, ugh. Kaldur knows full well that he can't block my better attacks with any magic he can perform, so he… What was it he called it? Blessing of Squid Ink? Not quite invisible and not quite intangible but enough of both to be a pain in the arse. I can't tell what else he's doing, he's still fortified.
"But Fate's here. I mean, we were only supposed to be getting information for him anyway. And shouldn't we have briefed him?"
I have sort of been wondering how much he pulls his punches during training. "Nabu knows more about magic than either of us. I'm sure he'll be fine."
Alert! Spell Eater temperature increasing.
Because just because you've found one invisible assailant… Empathic vision's blocked, so I can't tell if they're being directly controlled or just motivated by inserted fear. "Kaldur, Garth, Tula! It's me!"
Kaldur's illusory spell fades away, revealing his location. It's a little like D&D invisibility; vigorous activity tends to make it fall apart. He's got his Water Bearers out and active but doesn't make any immediate move. Okay, positive move. "Kaldur, I think you're being influenced by Terror Thing again. Nabu's got the villagers contained-."
He brings his Water Bearers up into guard position, water ends outwards. "Webster. Not this time."
Ah fu-.
I barely see it as a circle of frost forms around us. I'm too aaagh! I don't, agh, know who Webster is, but Kaldur's brain is firing on all cylinders. I never ran into a fear projector myself, but I remember the sensation all too well. The sudden increase in alertness as the adrenaline kicks in, the mild nausea…
Alert! Spell Eater temperature increasing.
I'm not… There aren't a lot of things I'm afraid of. Not irrationally so, at any rate. Heights used to scare me, but… I've been flying everywhere. Even diving down from high up in the sky is fun when I'm in control.
Alert! Spell Eater temperature increasing.
Death scares me. The concept that my consciousness could simply cease. Oh yes, that's where I remember this feeling from. I haven't had any religious faith since I was old enough to realise that adults could be wrong about things. Even here, where I know from direct experience that souls are real and there is life after death, I've… Really been focused on extending my life, rather than…
Alert! Spell Eater temperature critical.
They're overwhelming it! Putting so much force into it… I dread to think the amount of raw power that takes. Okay, construct armour's gone. At my default resilience, any of the Atlanteans can beat me down. Why aren't they? Breathing hard, I raise my head to meet Kaldur's eyes. His tattoos are glowing just about as hard as they can, his stance... This is as much as he can do.
I hope?
"You fear."
I.. sort of.. flop around. "Beryl?"
"I couldn't feel you. I couldn't touch you. But now I can. They feared me and now I understand what I am. They understood how to connect me to you, and now I touch your soul as I do everyone else's."
Ordered yellow lights.
"Fate fears as well. He fears obsolescence. He fears failing in his duty. You can't fight what is already inside you."
I should… Say something clever. Ask it w-. What it fears. If there's anything of Siskin in there that hasn't been consumed. Instead I curl up on myself, clutching at my own face in a frantic attempt to deny the external stimuli. How can I-?
Inside.
I twist, grabbing at the box containing my personal lantern. Openopenopen!
Agent? Your mind is strange.
Join with me.
Gladly.
Ah! She's trying, I can feel a little of what we are when she and I are together, but the fear inducement effect is so intense that the snake part of us cannot comprehend it. I just about manage to stagger to our feet and face the thing possessing Beryl. Yellow, yellow and more yellow. It doesn't really want, but simply reacts to its environment. What we're talking to must just be the Siskin part. Okay, fine, but was he totally subsumed or is he still in there as a separate being? Is he just a mouthpiece, transcribing inhuman thoughts in a Human fashion, or does his mind still function?
I can see the yellow lights all around me as the assault continues. As the Ophidian, we don't precisely have fears and that's keeping it out. Perhaps I can disrupt it in the same way we reinforced Siskin? We exhale orange light into Beryl and the ordered yellow light shudders. For the briefest moment I feel normal. Kaldur glows a little less as the Terror Thing momentarily loses its connection to the Atlanteans as well. Is that it? No, they're still full of yellow. I have no idea who 'Webster' is, but… Webster. That was the name of Geotroniks' Head of Security. Would the people Geotroniks used to make it have been afraid of him? No, their notes made it clear that their paranoia had a single focus. Siskin's fear, then?
"Siskin!" We breathe out again, our exhalation passing through Beryl along her connection to the Terror Thing. There's a great deal of loss along the way; the connection is one of fear and not avarice. But we dimly perceive something at the far end, something that can still want in its own right. "I know what it's like to be consumed by an emotion! To feel at an intensity that the Human psyche wasn't designed to process! You can't win by force of will!" This would be much easier if we just had a white ring. "The only way out is to accept the sensation, no matter how-!"
"Easier said than done." Kaldur's mouth, but not his voice. "I've been trapped in this nightmare for twelve years. I've felt every fear exactly as it was felt by people paralysed by the intensity of their fears and I've felt it all the time. And the thing that I fear most has been eating my soul."
"What? Do you expect it to get better? Do you think you'll get any respite once it's finished?"
"I only hope-" I turn as Siskin switches to using Tula. "-that when it's finally finished I might finally experience oblivion. My every thought, my every feeling is one of absolute terror. Can you even begin to understand what that's like?"
"Yes. We can. The Ophidian and the Orange Lantern came to terms. I know it can be done because I did it."
"I don't believe you."
Ophidian, back in the lantern please.
Agent?
I know what I'm doing.
I reach into my armour and pull off the hot-to-the-touch Spell Eater.
Probably.
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Misty Power
*Tries to tell joke* Nok.
- Location
- Japan
HOLY SHI
Typos:
"what else"
"wondering"
"things"
"thought"
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
"Don Hall of Earth. RI - Don Hall of Earth at peace."
No. No, you really don't. Good thing you don't have a green ring; that'd offer a connection for Parallax.
Bitch. Imma show you how it's done.
- Location
- The Library
Wow, things are certainly heating up. I wonder if this is where Tula died in canon...?
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