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Why do people go evil at all?
All sorts of reasons; but there normally is one.

He responded to his name and recognized OL so it sounds like he is in control but simply decided that Paul was trying to control him or something so decided to take over.
I disagree:

"I hear you. The little voice that once thought to use me as a weapon is here. A part of my greater whole."
That sounds to me like he got eaten, not that he's in control. There's also the fact that it didn't know how to control human bodies properly.
 
Nabu has one volunteer. The Terror Thing has an entire village of people it took by force. You can think they're the same thing all day, but Nabu won't.
Nabu took one person by deception, and blackmailed the second into swapping; he only agreed to that trade in the first place because Zatara was a superior alternative to his daughter.
I actually think he succeeded however he decided to go full evil and try to take over everyone rather than simply survive.
He responded to his name and recognized OL so it sounds like he is in control but simply decided that Paul was trying to control him or something so decided to take over.
OL can recognize soul resonances.
He didn't recognize the entity here; ergo, it's not Siskin, who he has talked to, but the Terror Thing.
 
Nabu has one volunteer. The Terror Thing has an entire village of people it took by force. You can think they're the same thing all day, but Nabu won't.
By that logic, mugging isn't a punishable offense because you didn't have physically pull the wallet out of their pocket and remove the money. Sure, you were threatening something they cared about with irrevocable harm if they didn't fork over what you wanted, but they still technically gave it to you, so what right does anyone have to object?
 
By that logic, mugging isn't a punishable offense because you didn't have physically pull the wallet out of their pocket and remove the money. Sure, you were threatening something they cared about with irrevocable harm if they didn't fork over what you wanted, but they still technically gave it to you, so what right does anyone have to object?
Worth noting that it's Nabu's warped logic at work there, and not Jamie's. As far as he was concerned he was justified in holding on to Zatanna, and Giovanni chose to swap out of his own free will.
 
It matters not to a being of Order that their rules be well-thought-out, nor good... only that they be consistent. A deal is a deal. If you wanted to reject it out of a sense of duress, the time for that was before you agreed.
 
It matters not to a being of Order that their rules be well-thought-out, nor good... only that they be consistent. A deal is a deal. If you wanted to reject it out of a sense of duress, the time for that was before you agreed.
True.

Plus Lord of Order is only good guy because Earth is such a chaotic place. If it had an orderly evil system in place he would be bad guy for protecting it.
 
Nabu took one person by deception, and blackmailed the second into swapping; he only agreed to that trade in the first place because Zatara was a superior alternative to his daughter.
What deception and blackmail? Zatanna put the helmet on knowing that there was a risk she might not get it off. Zatara then made a deal with Nabu of his own will.
By that logic, mugging isn't a punishable offense because you didn't have physically pull the wallet out of their pocket and remove the money. Sure, you were threatening something they cared about with irrevocable harm if they didn't fork over what you wanted, but they still technically gave it to you, so what right does anyone have to object?
In this case, its more along the lines of someone taking a huge loan, then someone close to them having the debt transferred to them, leaving the original debt-free.

This isn't to say it's moral or ethical.

Edit: Oh, and something to think about is the fact that both Klarion and Nabu referred to donning the helment as a "sacrifice" in the cartoon.
 
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Might get to see someone give Paul a 'you're doing it wrong' speech.
Would make a refreshing change.

You stupid stupid girl.
How is she stupid? She called Dr Fate, a hero in good standing she has no reason whatsoever to think negatively of, to deal with a situation within his area of expertise that she and her companions were failing to deal with. OL has done the same thing on many occasions to great effect.

Hardly her fault Paul refuses to tell anyone he thinks Nabu is evil and shouldn't be consorted with.

Nabu's "volunteer" volunteered under threat.
That is a subjective and emotional perspective, not a logical or rational one.
Nabu did not force Zatara to make the deal, he didn't even want it. The whole thing was Zatara's idea.

We can understand that no decent parent could do otherwise in such a situation. But just as Paulphidion couldn't comprehend what was bothering Their friends, Lord of Order Nabu cannot understand the concept of someone being coerced via their own emotions.

It is a fairly common failing among beings that tie their essence to a fundamental concept.
 
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Well, Siskin obviously lost. I suppose this goes to show that emotional enlightenment is not as easy as Paul made it look to be.
 
Anyone around here know anything about Missouri murder trials? Or trials for other serious offences?
 
How is she stupid? She called Dr Fate, a hero in good standing she has no reason whatsoever to think negatively of, to deal with a situation within his area of expertise that she and her companions were failing to deal with.
I think the issue here is that Nabu's entire toolset seems to consist of "blast the fuck out of things with wizard-lasers", which works aces on evil wizards, antediluvian horrors, and other direct opponents... but could quickly take a turn for the tragic when used against a fear elemental that A) is currently using innocent civilians as puppets, and B) will get free reign of the British Isles if anything (like, I don't know, a wizard-laser) damages the standing stones outside of town where its essence is currently centered.

This is a bit like calling in the Punisher to handle a hostage crisis.
 
I just thought of something, a reading alternate timelines story, basically it's the Canon Young Justice and Justice League read With This Ring.
Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?.

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Sorry if I derailed the conversation, I wanted to post this before I forgot.
 
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Anyone around here know anything about Missouri murder trials? Or trials for other serious offences?

Not getting any hits on google but I'm not sure which Missouri Murders you mean. I'd say I'm a daub hand on trials if only because I looked long at hard at the subject doing my due diligence before choosing something other than Law for a second degree and career.


@Zoat Um I'm going back and looking over Paul's reactions to Nabu. He has read Books of Magic Vol 1 hasn't he: i.e. the one where Tim get's to see Nabu in the far future?
 
To be honest I expect Nabu to solve this pretty fast without any further damage to the villagers. Nabu is, after all, a millennia old wizard of immense power and experience. It might not be Tuesday, but 'elemental trying to take control over people' is something he deals with at least twice a decade and he has lived through a lot of decades. I also expect him to know enough about ley lines and the stones controlling them that he will not allow it to escape that way.
 
Not getting any hits on google but I'm not sure which Missouri Murders you mean. I'd say I'm a daub hand on trials if only because I looked long at hard at the subject doing my due diligence before choosing something other than Law for a second degree and career.
I'm interested in the process of the trial, not in a particular case.
@Zoat Um I'm going back and looking over Paul's reactions to Nabu. He has read Books of Magic Vol 1 hasn't he: i.e. the one where Tim get's to see Nabu in the far future?
He didn't read it, but he had read the Wikipedia page summary.
 
I wonder how long the SI is going to hold a silent, nearly ineffectual grudge against Beryl?

You know, little things like including raisins in baked goods when he knows she doesn't like them, etc.
 
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