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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Mr Zoat said:
On a Word document, sure. The 'replace' function will do that. It's transferring that to posts here that would be a fag (UK).
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Replacing every species that you want to capitalize every time before you post is tedious. Much simpler to run a script daily. It could potentially work for some other common errors, but I can't think of similar errors that would be easy to search for.

I actually have thought of how to automate error corrections for sites like this. But I don't know anything about web programming, and I haven't seen an API for SV in the few searches I've done.

Now that im reminded of it, do you use any hotkey software to automate writing all the BB code tags that you use? I know you use copy paste for the SI's orange quotes, and I assume you just replace said quote when you want to write something else in orange, but you use other tags on a regular basis.
 
Empiricist2 said:
Now that im reminded of it, do you use any hotkey software to automate writing all the BB code tags that you use? I know you use copy paste for the SI's orange quotes, and I assume you just replace said quote when you want to write something else in orange, but you use other tags on a regular basis.
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No. Copy and paste is about the extent of things.
 
Empiricist2 said:
Replacing every species that you want to capitalize every time before you post is tedious. Much simpler to run a script daily. It could potentially work for some other common errors, but I can't think of similar errors that would be easy to search for.

I actually have thought of how to automate error corrections for sites like this. But I don't know anything about web programming, and I haven't seen an API for SV in the few searches I've done.
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You should talk to the site ops before you do that so you don't get in trouble.

It's not THAT hard to interface with a website programmatically. If you decide you want to go forward with this project, feel free to tap me for experience.

Bigger problem: You want to make sure you don't decapitalize words at the beginnings of sentences or in proper nouns. Which means it can't be fully automated because English doesn't make it easy to tell the difference. You'll need a verification UI.
 
lefthandturnsign said:
I'm pretty sure 'human' isn't supposed to be capitalized. It's not a proper noun. You would capitalize 'Earthling', 'Martian', etc, but not 'human' or 'dog'.

Unless you're trying something else in this story?
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Previously, Mr Zoat's argument was that everyone capitalizes the names for species not from Earth, so species from Earth should get equal treatment. (I think this was a rationalization for the fact that he used to capitalize them erroneously and decided to turn it into a rule.)

It seems the effort necessary to fix the cases where he forgot to capitalize them is catching up with him.
 
ThrawnCA said:
I've been working on another project lately, but it's now complete.
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Glad to hear it.
So...not fixing typos in the pre-retcon version of the chapter?
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Seems a bit pointless.
lefthandturnsign said:
I'm pretty sure 'human' isn't supposed to be capitalized. It's not a proper noun. You would capitalize 'Earthling', 'Martian', etc, but not 'human' or 'dog'.

Unless you're trying something else in this story?
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I'm kinda crazy.
 
lefthandturnsign said:
I'm pretty sure 'human' isn't supposed to be capitalized. It's not a proper noun. You would capitalize 'Earthling', 'Martian', etc, but not 'human' or 'dog'.

Unless you're trying something else in this story?
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Zoat capitalizes species names. It's one of the various little quirks he intentionally does. It's mentioned on the first post of this thread, in the section we aren't allowed to talk about.
Coda said:
It's not THAT hard to interface with a website programmatically. If you decide you want to go forward with this project, feel free to tap me for experience.
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The difficulty in figuring out how to do stuff like that when I have no experience with HTML or web stuff in general is much larger than any normal difficulty in implementation. It's why I said I had considered doing it rather than giving somewhat vague promise that I actually was going to do it.

Thanks for the offer though. I may take you up on that at some point.
Coda said:
Bigger problem: You want to make sure you don't decapitalize words at the beginnings of sentences or in proper nouns. Which means it can't be fully automated because English doesn't make it easy to tell the difference. You'll need a verification UI.
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I don't see the problem. If the string contains the substring " human ", " human.", or " human, ", capitalize the first letter. No functionality for changing it to lowercase, because that isn't an error that commonly occurs.

Bb code tags may make it occasionally not correctly capitalize when it should, but that should be a rather rare occurrence. If, say, the text said "human", where the bold is indicated by tags directly adjacent to the words.

Actually, Zoat's structure is nearly perfect for scripts like this. Microsoft Word splits its strings internally on paragraph and run lines, where runs are strings of characters with identical styling (bold, italics, font size, font, color, etc.). For just about anyone else, it would be a pain to keep track of all that and write it back to the file. Since Zoat does all his formatting through BB code, which Word doesn't do anything with, his files are only split by paragraph.

That's at least my remembrance of how it works. I never dug too deep into that stuff.
 
Coda said:
Previously, Mr Zoat's argument was that everyone capitalizes the names for species not from Earth, so species from Earth should get equal treatment. (I think this was a rationalization for the fact that he used to capitalize them erroneously and decided to turn it into a rule.)

It seems the effort necessary to fix the cases where he forgot to capitalize them is catching up with him.
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Problems in grammar caused by Sci-fi writers. Star Trek - Vulcans are from Vulcan, Earthlings are from Earth. Mass Effect - turians are from Palaven, humans are from Earth.

Eh, honestly as long as it's consistent it's not a major issue, but I gather that's the problem here.
 
Empiricist2 said:
I don't see the problem. If the string contains the substring " human ", " human.", or " human, ", capitalize the first letter. No functionality for changing it to lowercase, because that isn't an error that commonly occurs.
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Well yes, making it always uppercase is easier. I thought you were proposing a tool for Zoat to go and undo his uppercasing due to his regrets. THAT would be much harder, because e.g. "The Human Torch" shouldn't be lowercased.

There's actually a more robust way to do it with regular expressions: /\bhuman\b/ will match "human" when it's surrounded by ANY non-word characters such as spaces, punctuation, line breaks, or even the end of the string.
 
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Alienated (part 20)
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    • 14th October
    10:27 GMT -5

    "I'm not taking it personally or anything, but how come you didn't talk to me earlier?" Mr Cassidy looks away from the enchanted transparent aluminium between us and where Ms Blaze is preparing to eat the pomegranate. The fruit itself has already been opened and the seeds are sitting in a bowl next to the operating table. "I mean, I'm not an expert on magic or anything, but I sure wouldn't have any problem with these Atlantean guys studying me."

    "Because I thought you were a guy in demon-themed power armour."

    "Oh." I think he's frowning, but the horns do rather restrict the movement of the skin covering his forehead. "Sure, I started like that, but I've been a real Demon for years."

    "Right. I looked at your file, read that your confrontation with Nebiros resulted in your armour getting infused with demonic magic and sealing you inside. I didn't realise that you'd… Actually changed into a demon. I didn't think that was even possible."

    "Guess Neron doesn't care about what you think is possible." He turns back to the window. "Or what I think is possible."

    And given what you had to do to make it happen, I doubt that you'll give me an honest answer if I ask you about it. "You're welcome to stick around and have them study you after we've-"

    The door to the observation room opens and I turn to face my other guest. Given the sharp economic downturn Aberrance has undergone since several major stakeholders realised that the possibility of giant rampaging monsters had been factored into their low rental pricing, I thought that sending Cranius a few invitations to things within his field of study might be a way of smoothing things over. This is the first one he's actually responded to in any way more positive than giving me a short lecture on authentic Transylvanian swearing.

    "-finished here. Doctor von Schadel, thank you for coming."

    "Yes. Be grateful." He turns his head -himself, I suppose- away from me as he walks towards Mr Cassidy. "Unt who might you be?"

    "I'm Blue Devil."

    "Are you.. naturally like zhis?"

    "'Naturally' might be pushing it, but this is my actual body, if that's what you mean."

    "Hm." Cranius looks through the window. "So, vhat is zhe plan here? She eats zhe fruit unt zhey plug in zhe wings?"

    "Err…" Mr Cassidy half-shrugs and looks at me.

    "Essentially, yes. The fruit forms a bridge between-."

    "As zhe uncreation process forms a functioning biological bridge between zhe incompatible tissues, so zhe magics of zhe fruit will allow zhe demon to use ozher magics."

    "Yeah." Mr Cassidy looks at me. "You wouldn't happen to have more of those fruit, would you? Be nice to be able to go to church without catching fire."

    "If the Bible's anything to go by, she only needs to eat a small part of the fruit. You're welcome to a mouthful of whatever's left."

    He bows his head slightly. "You seriously think that a demon is going to leave part of a magic fruit?"

    "If she starts convulsing uncontrollably before she can finish it, then yes."

    He shakes his head. "Won't happen. Unless it actually kills her, she'll eat the whole thing. You put a source of power in front of a demon… They just can't say 'no'."

    "I'll have to look into getting a whole lot of enchanted artefacts with 'Acme TNT' printed on the side."

    "Hah! Ah, they're not quite that dumb, but it does make them predictable. She's gonna eat the whole thing. Just watch."

    "In that case, I think Sephtian took a few samples. You can have those."

    He nods. "Thanks."

    Dr Balewa joins Sephtian in the test chamber, the runic network inscribed on every available surface shimmering as he does so. Sephtian himself waves his right hand in a circle, casting the spell which will allow us to hear them. "Ms Blaze, if you would kindly lie down."

    She complies, taking position face down on the operating table next to the protective case containing the wings. The biomancer performing the attachment is outside the room and will stay there until they're sure that the alterations to Ms Blaze's arcane structure have stabilised.

    "Feh. Before you and Kobra came to Aberrance, zhis would heff been a simple process for me. I would not need zhese… Atlanteans."

    "Doctor, if we hadn't come to Aberrance there wouldn't be an Aberrance any longer. I'm sorry that we weren't able to prevent the attack but we weren't the ones who initiated it."

    He turns his head-body around without bothering to turn the torso he's riding on along with it. Mr Cassidy's eyes widen somewhat. "I have only recently finished attaching zhe replacement xenografts for all of zhose who were maimed. Wizh no Kane flesh I must do it manually, linking every nerve unt vein unt artery. I had to invent new anti-rejection treatments just to make zhe process work at all!"

    "Oh, well done. Do you need help marketing them or distributing them? Because that's something that-."

    "You guys mind taking that outside? Some of us are trying to watch a hot demoness eat a pomegranate."

    Cranius swivels back, and I walk closer to watch Ms Blaze chomp her way through the pomegranate seeds. As Mr Cassidy said, she's going at it with gusto. Mr Cassidy is.. smiling-. No, that's a leer as Ms Blaze's enthusiasm results in pomegranate juice running down her chin and onto her chirurgical gown.

    Huh.

    "Human.. women not do anything for you-?"

    "When I wore Blue Devil armour… I was stuck inside, and it wasn't anatomically accurate." Ooh. "Now… Being a Demon comes with instincts… Demons don't see humans as people. I can talk to people, but… Trying anything physical would.. just be weird."

    "I sssee."

    Ms Blaze sets the bowl down, frowning to herself. Still a few seeds left, so I guess Sephtian can keep his samples.

    Then she starts shaking.

    Sephtian cautiously steps closer. "Ms Blaze, can you understand me?"

    Her face is a rictus of misery, tears streaming down her face, finger claws tearing through her cheeks and into the palms of her hands and she presses them to her face.

    "Wait, what's happening to her?"

    "I'm not certain, but I'd guess that she just gained the capacity for guilt."

    "And she's how old?"

    "At least seven thousand, and she's spent a decent proportion of that sending souls to a demiplane Hell she used to power her magics."

    "Is-? Can she go ahead?"

    "We knew this could happen. She gave consent in advance, so-" Dr Balewa steps forward and places his right palm against her forehead. Her eyes roll back as she loses consciousness. "-we have a plan in place. The chirurgery doesn't require her conscious involvement."

    Dr Balewa lays her down as Sephtian starts checking on the status of her metaphysique.

    "Still, as I told her at the start: if this does all go tits up…" I shrug. "Then we've killed a seven thousand year old monster, and learned a great deal about how Demon magic works. We still come out ahead."

    Mr Cassidy glances at me sidelong. "Think maybe you wanna eat some of those seeds as well?"
     
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    • Mr Zoat said:
    "Wait, what's happening to her?"

    "I'm not certain, but I'd guess that she just gained the capacity for guilt."
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    "Still, as I told her at the start: if this does all go tits up…" I shrug. "Then we've killed a seven thousand year old monster, and learned a great deal about how Demon magic works. We still come out ahead."

    Mr Cassidy glances at me sidelong. "Think maybe you wanna eat some of those seeds as well?"
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    I wasn't sure if rating this funny for the last line would be appropriate or not.
     
    Mr Zoat said:
    "Still, as I told her at the start: if this does all go tits up…" I shrug. "Then we've killed a seven thousand year old monster, and learned a great deal about how Demon magic works. We still come out ahead."

    Mr Cassidy glances at me sidelong. "Think maybe you wanna eat some of those seeds as well?"
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    Great punchline.

    And OL doesn't need guilt. He needs sanity. There's a difference.

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    Mr Zoat said:
    "Right. I looked at your file, read that your confrontation with Nebiros resulted in your armour getting infused with demonic magic and sealing you inside. I didn't realise that you'd… Actually changed into a demon. I didn't think that was even possible."

    Mr Cassidy glances at me sidelong. "Think maybe you wanna eat some of those seeds as well?"
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    Timeline-wise, I'm rather surprised the stuff with Neron has already happened. I thought the Young Justice universe was a 'young' version of the DC universe where latest superhero generation of Superman and Batman and such have only been around a few years. I would have figured Blue Devil would be in the "stuck in mystically charged devil armor" portion of his timeline. Yet he claims to have been a real demon for "years".

    Is there a reason his timeline is so advanced?
     
    Such a shame about Cranius, if only OL had handled that a bit better.
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    Mr Cassidy glances at me sidelong. "Think maybe you wanna eat some of those seeds as well?"
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    Legitimate question here, what would that actually do? OL's soul is made of Avarice and basically directly connected to the embodiment of said emotion so I can only imagine the result would be... unusual.
     
    Buggy said:
    Such a shame about Cranius, if only OL had handled that a bit better.

    Legitimate question here, what would that actually do? OL's soul is made of Avarice and basically directly connected to the embodiment of said emotion so I can only imagine the result would be... unusual.
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    I mean, going by the bible, greed is supposedly a sin. So I can't help but think that would be a bad idea. Who knows, though?
     
    I really need an omake where Paul desperately tries to convince people he's not a temptation demon with a far more genre savvy shtick. I mean sure he commands demons, is the harbinger of a giant snake and perceives everything based upon Want, but that doesn't mean he's a devil. Come on...
     
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