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mind controlled minions...

Did you not read the update? It's not mind control, it's mind scanning to make sure they're actually there to join the fleet and not to sabotage and/or steal secrets. I know you hate Grayven, but reading comprehension needs to be a thing or else you just make yourself look silly.
 
Did you not read the update? It's not mind control, it's mind scanning to make sure they're actually there to join the fleet and not to sabotage and/or steal secrets. I know you hate Grayven, but reading comprehension needs to be a thing or else you just make yourself look silly.

Noooo, this time Vaermina's right. There is some mind control going on:

using telepathic commands to prevent those in the know talking about it

EDIT: Though I could easily see that being consensual, or at least contractually required with proper disclosure.


"I, _____, agree as a condition of my employment that I will be subject to magical or telepathic methods of information security control."
 
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As in, she might gain the ability to tell good from evil?
I hadn't actually thought of that. Actually, it hadn't occurred to me that she might not be able to. I figured she was evil by choice.

Yeah, holy-element and the ability to tell right from wrong might have a positive effect on her.
Time will tell, I guess.
I figure the idea behind the Fruit is that it'll let her choose on a spiritual level whether to be "good" or "evil"; and therefore let her reformat her soul to be Heaven rather than Hell aligned.
 
I figure the idea behind the Fruit is that it'll let her choose on a spiritual level whether to be "good" or "evil"; and therefore let her reformat her soul to be Heaven rather than Hell aligned.

I doubt it's that straightforward - that the fruit will do all the 'work.' Choosing good or choosing evil is an ongoing process, a lifetime commitment, rather then the work of a moment. It simply should allow her to choose to do good, and by process be good, over time. Right now she can't. She could ape good, but it would have no validity because it was her attempting to ape good, rather then her being good.
 
I figure the idea behind the Fruit is that it'll let her choose on a spiritual level whether to be "good" or "evil"; and therefore let her reformat her soul to be Heaven rather than Hell aligned.
Personally I thought the narrative was pointing at the fruit providing an example of a magical construct with connections to both "good" and "evil" with minimal distractions (like trying to study a human soul would have) and that would provide the thaumaturgists the material they needed to construct the spellwork they're trying to derive.

I don't actually expect anyone to be eating it. (EDIT: Except maybe as a plot twist.)
 
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Though I could easily see that being consensual, or at least contractually required with proper disclosure.
And of course that assumes those telepathic commands are all that's put in.

Because it sure would be a shame if some enterprising Supervillain arranged to add a couple extra commands so they could seize control of the space fleet. :p
 
Fantastic to see this bit coming along. At the start I didn't like the Grayven line, but this is too 'word I mean' to not love.

I am honestly liking Grayven more and despising Oh El more.

I think what broke the camel back was him ignoring Jade and just going with the resurrections anyway.

Specially since he didn't contact those people ghosts to see if they wanted to try a revival beforehand.
So a privately owned space fleet run by mind controlled minions...

Given this is DC and Grayven bound himself to convention that's not going to end well for anyone. :facepalm:

Not mind control just a geas so they do not reveal industrial secrets.

The brainwashing is way more mundane and legal, as part of the education. Like the one governments do really.

And of course that assumes those telepathic commands are all that's put in.

Because it sure would be a shame if some enterprising Supervillain arranged to add a couple extra commands so they could seize control of the space fleet. :p

This is a smarter Light that KNOWS the League has magic users and mind readers on their payroll.

So no.
 
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So a privately owned space fleet run by mind controlled minions...
They're not mind controlled. They just have thorough, ongoing background checks.
the Wirbata, the island
at her compliment
far more interested
than he is in
My thaumaturgists tell me
His expression
I am a little surprised
the first generation of new ships enters
a series of dossiers appears
Thank you, corrected.
And speaking of that, how awkward would it be if someone suggested Jade?
Fairly awkward, but it's unlikely that any of them will. She lacks the experience and renown.

In other news, I'm not really happy with how this episode is going. The original idea was that -growing out of the previous one- it would focus on the differences between the world as experienced by superhumans and by regular humans. The main event would be the SI's theft and the fallout, but... That sort of didn't happen as I was writing it. So I'm going to take out some bits and move them to the next episode and rewrite some other bits. There shouldn't be any disruption in service.
 
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They're not mind controlled. They just have thorough, ongoing background checks.

Thank you, corrected.

Fairly awkward, but it's unlikely that any of them will. She lacks the experience and renown.

In other news, I'm not really happy with how this episode is going. The original idea was that -growing out of the previous one- it would focus on the differences between the world as experienced by superhumans and by regular humans. The main event would be the SI's theft and the fallout, but... That sort of didn't happen as I was writing it. So I'm going to take out some bits and move them to the next episode and rewrite some other bits. There shouldn't be any disruption in service.

You kind of need to write from the point if view of a regular human if you want that. But even Jade is not a regular human.

So dunno who you could use for the POV.
 
You kind of need to write from the point if view of a regular human if you want that. But even Jade is not a regular human.

So dunno who you could use for the POV.
Father Mathias is a relatively normal human who would be aware of the situation and consequences thereof.

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An interesting viewpoint character could be either a teacher from Zatanna's school, or one of the parents of one of her friends from said school. Because, assuming it was a good school and Zatanna was at least an ok student, her suddenly dropping out would be concerning, as would be the changes she goes through as seen by her friends. An invested adult (teacher from a good school, parent of a friend) would notice them.
 
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I doubt it's that straightforward - that the fruit will do all the 'work.' Choosing good or choosing evil is an ongoing process, a lifetime commitment, rather then the work of a moment. It simply should allow her to choose to do good, and by process be good, over time. Right now she can't. She could ape good, but it would have no validity because it was her attempting to ape good, rather then her being good.
The issue at hand is more metaphysical than moral; that's why I used "good" and "evil" in quotes. OL is a results-oriented person and wouldn't much care if Blaze was only aping good, as long as she did it.

But the fact that her magical nature is Hell-aligned is a problem for him, and that's what he's trying to change. He's trying to re-align her nature towards the Silver City; a place that OL it should be noted doesn't consider to be especially good. Sure, he'd likely admit that the Silver City can reasonably be considered better than Hell; but that's a rather low standard. To put it in D&D terms it's Lawful Neutral versus Chaotic Evil, not Good versus Evil.

The Fruit and the wings are from the same mythos, and using it so Blaze can choose what is "good" by the metaphysical standards the Fruit is aligned with should align her with the wings, however. And that's the point of the exercise.
 
"…and last of all, s'rotaderp htarw."
Zatanna now has glowing violet construct armour which looks a little like a xenomorph made of crystal to complement her glowing violet eyes. Violet light radiates from all corners of the room and I'm sure there's a lot of magic-related things going on there that I'm not perceiving.
Predators Wrath?
Either OL shared some data about the nature of the Violet Light, or Zatanna has been doing unmonitored research.
Given that Predators Wrath is almost definitely an original spell, I lean towards option 2.
 
I need more magic researchers…
Well aside from those who'll want to come out of the woodwork to make their own mark on history, like techno-alchemist Elphius Levi, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of students at The White School, (there are no masters as everyone is actually a student there, even if some of them do teach), who'd be more than happy to lend their aid, now that Earth is taking Magic seriously again!

I must confess, I'm rather looking forward to Paul's shock that The White School isn't as exclusive as he'd been led to believe...
 
Well aside from those who'll want to come out of the woodwork to make their own mark on history, like techno-alchemist Elphius Levi, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of students at The White School, (there are no masters as everyone is actually a student there, even if some of them do teach), who'd be more than happy to lend their aid, now that Earth is taking Magic seriously again!

I must confess, I'm rather looking forward to Paul's shock that The White School isn't as exclusive as he'd been led to believe...

Another approach is shamans, DC has indicated that shamans were the precursors to superheroes.

For example, the prehistoric Hawkman was his tribe's shaman.

Or Batman's connection to shamanism.

In Batman: Shaman, Bats was healed by being told by a story by a shaman, and he likewise healed someone else by telling them the story. So Batsy is apparently a shaman of an Alaskan tribe.

And when they retconned him out of WW2, they replaced him with Flying Fox. Whose description was basically teenage shaman Batman.
 
I'm confident that they'll come to identify with the goals of the organisation and -at least somewhat- rise above national rivalries.
Someone's an optimist.

I am honestly liking Grayven more and despising Oh El more.

I think what broke the camel back was him ignoring Jade and just going w
I find OL a lot more palatable if I read him with the assumption that he's high-functioning Asperger's. Not a bad guy, just doesn't get certain things.
 
I find OL a lot more palatable if I read him with the assumption that he's high-functioning Asperger's. Not a bad guy, just doesn't get certain things.

His tendency to disregard others' wishes when composing his ideal solutions is far easier to attribute to the nature of the Orange Light and his personal ambition to disregard the status quo instead of a tentative diagnosis of Asberger's. This was most evident when he was merged with the Ophidian and he had that talk with the Greens. Said symptom is the only trait of OL's that can be attributed to Asberger's.
 
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Another approach is shamans, DC has indicated that shamans were the precursors to superheroes.

For example, the prehistoric Hawkman was his tribe's shaman.

Or Batman's connection to shamanism.

In Batman: Shaman, Bats was healed by being told by a story by a shaman, and he likewise healed someone else by telling them the story. So Batsy is apparently a shaman of an Alaskan tribe.

And when they retconned him out of WW2, they replaced him with Flying Fox. Whose description was basically teenage shaman Batman.
Well, at least we know Bruce has potential for the Craft, even if he lacks the inclination to practice it.

That he has a mystical counterpart, "Bat-mage" from Earth-33, where the supernatural is mainstream rather than the technological, seems to confirm it for me!
 
Predators Wrath?
Either OL shared some data about the nature of the Violet Light, or Zatanna has been doing unmonitored research.
They've spoken about the Predator before:

"Sorry. Anti-crazy protocol. John's idea, and frankly I agree with him."

"You wear your rings all the time."

"Giant cake." She looks away, nodding her head to the side slightly. "I was very lucky. Trust me, you don't want to try getting along with the Predator." And I certainly don't want that.

She breathes in as if about to protest. Then she exhales, bowing her head. "Yeah, you're probably right. Do you think…?"

"What?"

"Do you think it would help if I did the same thing you and Guy Gardner did? Made contact with the.. Predator?"

"No. I survived that by pure luck, and Ion seems to like the Green Lanterns. The chance of you successfully integrating with the Predator is slim to say the least.
 
I wonder what's about to happen to OL now. I do hope he doesn't end up captured. Thus far Zoat has pretty much avoided all those stupid tropes. I rather hope it stays that way.
Yeah, and Robin once somehow stole Hal's power ring right off his finger. I think we all have a lot of stupid plot trauma that causes fear in us when we see what would usually be the beginning of it. Such as OL being K.O'd, imprisoned without his power ring, then have to rely on his wits! Determination! And plucky side characters only shown in this episode! To get it all back.

Okay know this has been posted a while back but it's really a pet peeve of mine when people say that something is stupid solely because they don't like it. People get captured all the time IRL and I find it absurd that Paul getting captured would be stupid because it could actually happen. In fact if Paul is captured than I fully expect him to have his ring taken from him due to sheer stupidity of the people capturing him not doing that since that is literally the main power of a lantern.

To add to that if anyone smart is going to take on a lantern the smartest way to do so is just to counter their ring or outright turn it off. Which funnily enough Paul would do with a magic user. To add to that even more I always thought that it was stupid of the canon lanterns to not have any backup weapons or tech on them incase their ring stops working, is destroyed or stolen somehow. Even more moronic is that most never travel in space ships carrying a good number of backup gear incase something happens to their ring like destruction or it just not working since that has so many ways to screw them over.
 
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10th October
14:59 GMT


Three hours.

I hear the beeping of his heart monitor before I even enter his room. Viewed objectively, I suppose that the Sundown Nursing Home isn't such a bad place to end your days. Good staffing levels, most of them speak English reasonably well, well maintained facilities and grounds, good equipment for those residents whose bodies aren't quite as functional as they once were… I used to find places like this an uncomfortable reminder of where I would eventually end up myself, but since I don't age any more I feel a more… A detached curiosity.

Three hours, though.

I give the nurse checking the target of my visit a nod as he leaves the room, having finished his hourly checks. Since I gave the place advance warning of my visit he doesn't look totally shocked, but suddenly encountering someone like me at close quarters is never going to be a relaxing experience. He steps back to allow me access and I nod and smile in thanks before ducking slightly to pass through the doorway.

Three-. Three hours.

I pause just inside the door to visually inspect my target. 'Death warmed up' would be a generous description. His face and hands are shrivelled, due to the fact that he can barely eat and struggles to keep food down when he does. There are drips in each arm, an oxygen mask over his face and a catheter plugged into his penis. He's got some hair left, but it's a far cry from the thick black locks he had during his prime. That said, I can still see glimpses of his distinguished former self; his Roman nose is as distinct as ever, as are his strangely pointed ears.

No one is really sure how old he is now; the best guesses I was able to dig up suggest somewhere between seventy and eighty. Ring scans say that he's mostly European, most likely with a single Middle Eastern grandparent. The rest of his genes come from all sorts of places. One of his lungs isn't original; British Secret Service legend has it that not only did he insist on remaining awake during the operation but he also strapped an explosive collar to the necks of the chirurgeon's family to detonate if anything went wrong.

And then there's the rest of the damage. Scars from bullet wounds, shrapnel wounds and chemical and fire burns litter his skin. But the really nasty stuff is underneath all of that. Neurotoxin build-ups in his synapses make him shake whenever he tries to move, and their effect on his brain has made speech almost impossible for him. It also -and a ring scan confirms what medical staff only suspected- leaves him in constant pain. It's amazing that he's still alive, really.

And I'd feel more sympathetic if I hadn't just spent three hours-!

I walk around to the side of his bed, take a solidly-built chair out of subspace and sit down, facing him. He'd been watching me from behind lidded eyes since I opened the door, but now he abandons the pretence and opens them a little wider.

"Three fucking hours." He keeps watching me. "Three hours, just… Staring at it, written on a piece of paper. I knew there was a joke there somewhere. I've studied Batman's files on the Riddler, the Joker, Catwoman… Even Cluemaster. I'm not unused to people using thematic false names. Film characters…" I narrow my eyes. "Bad puns."

I think he's trying to smile. Git.

"So this is where you ended up, Mister 'Near'." I make a show of looking around. "Not bad, I suppose. The SIS still think you died during your retirement job in Qurac… Those who don't think you're living in a mansion somewhere, laughing at them. They never came anywhere near here, and I'll freely admit that I had to cheat to find you."

"Hruuuuh."

It comes out as a pained wheeze, the intent behind it too indistinct for my rings to identify a clear meaning.

"I doubt that you've heard of me. My name's Grayven. I'm an alien from planet Apokolips." I wave my hands and shake my head. "I know what it sounds like in your language, I didn't pick it."

"Hruh."

"Oh, I'm sorry. Dreadfully rude of me. Here." Two orange cables extend from my ring and attach themselves to the back of his neck. "There. That should make speaking to me a little easier."

"Well done."

The voice is based on one of the few surviving recordings of his natural voice. One of the many ways he used to vex people was subtly changing his own accent, apparently at random. Combined with his compulsive lying, it made it impossible to even guess at his point of origin.

"You covered your tracks expertly-" Three hours! "-but I.. had access to technology that you simply didn't have the means to counteract."

"Employer?"

"Why does that matter?"

"Credit. Curiosity. Dying."

"I work for myself, for the most part. And, hm." I make a point of looking him over, then generate a transparent construct image of the injuries afflicting his body. "Yes, I do believe that you are." I frown. I know that he's going to lie to me, but I have to ask. "Why here?"

"Planned retirement after Qurac. Wanted time to write memoir. Too injured."

"Ah, yes. I thought that the last few assassinations lacked your usual precision. So you already had.. some sort of evacuation plan, ended up back here and…" I look him over again. "I suppose the life takes a toll."

"Your intention?"

"I understand that you made a point of targeting criminals because you found that fighting police and.. mid-tier superheroes was too easy. Having seen the weakness of some of the secret identities they use, I suppose that I can see where you were coming from." I sit back. "I am.. engaged in certain work that could use a man of your talents. The pay is good, the opportunities manifold and the work… I think that you'll find it fascinating. The world has only gotten madder since your retirement."

"Hruurh."

Nearly a laugh, and the less damaged left side of his mouth curves upwards a little.

"And medical technology has come on such a way. For those with the right connections." His eyes narrow a little. "Patching your failing corpus up would be the work of a few moments. If you're interested. Alternatively, you may elect to remain here… And die in considerable pain in perhaps two years. Or if you consider your life's work to be over, I am willing to kill you. It would be quick and painless."

"Now, I realise that working for other people isn't really your thing. But I do hope that you'll consider it anyway. You would be working mostly under your own direction and with considerable freedom in how you pursue your objectives. I will consider your obligation to me for healing you repaid in full for two years of your time, for which you would also be compensated conventionally as well. If you were planning on parting company with me in the not too distant future, having access to my intelligence resources would be a considerable advantage."

"Any initial thoughts? Questions? Queries?"

"Targets?"

"Your first target will be the government of Kahndaq. We want the current lot gone, replaced with people a little less… Self-absorbed. For much of your first year I imagine that you'll be doing the same sort of thing: removing governments and reorganising failing states. Obviously I don't expect you to rely purely on the application of force. You'll have other levers of power to pull, we're trying to create stable states, not chaos. Once that's taken care of, we're also building a space fleet…"

"Space fleet?"

"I'm afraid that I can't give all the gossip to someone on the outside. Now, I know that you're easily quixotic enough to turn me down just to see if I come back, but I've got a rather fun signing-on bonus if you give me an affirmative answer now." I take a dossier out of subspace. "Some truly disturbing information on the British elite. I should warn you: this has a pretty short shelf life."

He tilts his head back a tiny bit, considering.

"Accepted."

"Glad to hear it, Harold." I raise my left hand. "Welcome to the team."
 
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