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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Ishtar is active in the world (if we use Sandman material), and works as a stripper, following her divine mandate. And we all should probably be grateful that she likes her "love" domain more than her "war" domain. She could probably reveal her divine nature relatively easily, maybe issue an invitation for J'aarkin to get a visa? Or she could give Zatarra lessons in using love power.
Empiricist2
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This is a classic No True Scotsman fallacy. Christians, broadly, claim that the Bible is the word of God. The Bible endorses a variety of things, including the position that having gay sex is an abomination. Modern acceptance of non-lesbian gay relations is in contradiction to what the Bible states. You may or may not agree with people's specific reaction to the meaning of this, but they are basing their opinion on their most reliable source of knowledge for God's will.
The thing is, although DC Christianity is a weird mashup of different bits of various Christian sects, it is all based on what actual people believe. Aside from embellishing on what goes on in Hell, eternal torture for bad deeds is something that actual people believe. I have first-hand experience with people who believe in an afterlife system that would be mostly indistinguishable from DC Christianity. You may not like this portrayal, but it is in no sense a parody, because of the number of people who believe in virtually identical things.
The fact that it isn't the Christianity that you believe in says nothing about the story and everything about you. Christianity is a very broad term, and it encompasses a lot of different viewpoints. If DC's version of Christianity had actual followers, the only thing even remotely remarkable about itwould be that it doesn't preclude the existence of other deities, even if it still holds Yahweh as the creator of the universe.
The fact that you consider this a form of persectution is about as funny as it is tone deaf. Yes, people are not banned from making an occasional joke at Christianity's expense, and so some people make the occasional joke that is still based on actual real world things that actual Christians do. It would actually make for a funny joke if I were to make up a Christian saying that they consider the occasional mild joke at Christianity's expense to be a form of persecution worth mentioning within the same thread where a gay man details how he was continually abused both mentally and physically due to his being gay. I'm just gonna repeat that this is fucking tone deaf.
And what's funnier about your second paragraph here is that WTR is an example of the exact opposite. The two recurring characters who have their Christianity as an integral part of their character are both complete badasses. Giovanni Zatara is the world's best mortal mage, and was perfectly willing to sacrifice his life so that his daughter could go free with hardly a moment's hesitation. Father Mattias defends against demonic attack by manifesting a shield of his own spiritual purity, and was the only person who even had an idea of how to separate the Ophidian from the SI. I have no idea how you could ever ask for better examples of Christianity in DC.
Edit: Oh, and I don't see why you would think that the Big Bang Theory is anything more than a sad statement on the state of modern American sitcoms. In a show that markets itself as entrertainment for nerds or science enthusiasts or whatever, almost all the jokes are at the expense of the scientists and nerds on the show. I haven't watched the show in years, but from what I remember, a huge number of jokes per episode were about how these engineers and scientists couldn't navigate a social encounter if their life depended on it, and need to be helped by the ordinary people that they look down on.
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I hope you realize that this makes it sound like Paul is known for punching cakes.
This is actually incorrect; they just believe that death isn't the end of when you can theoretically convert, so they baptize on behalf of the dead so that if they do choose to change their ways, they're covered. It's an insurance policy more than anything else.
Earth-12.
I'd like to see more Egyptian mythos, personally. Either that or Anansi, because the guy got a serious upgrade when it turned out he was behind the Morphogenic force that empowers Vixen and Animal Man. I loved that storyline, but was never able to find that interpretation again...
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The Young Justice Universe is it's own place, Earth 16, not connected to the rest of the DCAU.
General DCAU, including JLU, is Earth 12. The Justice Lords version is Earth 50. The Crime Syndicate version from Crisis on Two earths et al is usually considered to be Earth 3, I think.
I don't know which number the Earth from JL Episode: Legends is. Not sure about Green Lantern: TAS, but it isn't Earth 12 because Hal exists instead of Kyle.
Well that honestly depends cause that could just be blind faith in something. Like faith doesn't have to be blind belief in something merely because of what you think. I mean I may not have blind faith in something but with respect i believe i can have faith in someone or something.
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Faith is in some ways an emotion, so that makes sense.
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I don't believe that I've made specific reference to bestiality.
What makes you think they would have helped? A lot of pagan gods are dicks.
Yes, exactly! And if you're born Kryptonian you can fire lasers out of your eyes.
I didn't know you were married. Congratulations!
Well... No, you can, but it does come across as a bit 'no-true-Scotsman'.
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I know you're just trying to lighten the mood and possibly move onto other subjects, but this comes across as flippant and dismissive.
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Not... Any more.
As Sir Terrence Pratchett wrote: "Remember the atrocity committed against us which excuses the atrocity we are about to commit!"
There are no True Scotsmen. Scotland itself is an elaborate ruse by the Roman illuminati. Wake up sheeple!
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A really really hardcore atheist could become a sentient ghost, but usually they discover that souls exist and default to their culture's norm.
Not being Christian, gay or American, there's very little of substance I could say about that part of his life experience.
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Not quite. It's not "without any evidence." The Babel fish doesn't destroy faith. It's "without seeing the result beforehand." You can and should have some reason to put your trust in principle X instead of principle Y, otherwise you're just acting randomly. But you don't know or understand everything, and you still act.
Indiana Jones didn't know exactly what would happen when he took the Leap of Faith, but he had instructions that had previously proved to be accurate, and which implied that he should step out. He acted based on his trust in those instructions - not with no reason, but with insufficient knowledge to have acted based on knowledge alone. Then, after acting, he learned why, which is also a normal part of faith.
If someone spends their whole life doing things for no reason other than someone told them to, with no particular reason to trust that person over anyone else... Well, that does qualify as putting faith in that person, but it's not a very sensible faith.
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Um...no. We tried but...well, lovely land of the free. Anyway, that was the end of something very happy for me. Which is why I got pissed off enough that I didn't word it better.
Still, thanks for the attempted well wishes?
Having read the new power rangers comic I cant stop laughing when ever I hear the word sheeple.
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Which lord would that be? Greek? Norse?
... Since you didn't capitalise it, maybe the feudal kind?
Eh, not so much.
I doubt we can stop Mr Zoat's update schedule
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Yes, and that reason should be based on evidence or reasoning. Insufficient evidence to be certain in your beliefs is not sufficient reason to never act at all. If someone gave me a thousand to one odds betting on the outcome of a fair coin flip, I would still put money in despite lacking certainty in the favorable outcome. If you wait to be absolutely certain before taking any action, you would never do anything, but that isn't license to assign absolute certainty to your preferred outcome.
Generalizing from fictional evidence is in general not a good idea. Authors write events to make a good story, not to accurately reflect reality.
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Discussion about faith and depiction of the afterlife, and everything else in-between, how well would the canon team be able handle facing off against the forces of Hell and how much would it traumatize them by learning that by failing to live up to you religion's standards of 'good' or just plain bad luck could land you in Hell where you'll experience endless torment for all of eternity? Or at least the vaguely christian members compared to the members who worship Greco-Roman gods, are aliens with their own religion, or have some sort of compact with a greater being or force.
Both before and after the time skip, where the main enemy of the former is an effective league of villains, and the latter had an alien invasion under the pretext of peaceful interaction. Where several heroes have either quit the team and retired, died in the line of duty, or moved onto the Justice League.
Both before and after the time skip, where the main enemy of the former is an effective league of villains, and the latter had an alien invasion under the pretext of peaceful interaction. Where several heroes have either quit the team and retired, died in the line of duty, or moved onto the Justice League.
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I mean, the peasants crusade killed more civilian Christians than Muslims of any sort
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If you're reading this, omae wa mo shindeiru.
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I don't think they believe homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry people of the opposite sex, though.
Leviticus covers three things:
How to worship, as in priesthood and rituals.
Health regulations.
Basic legal framework including punishment.
Homosexual intercourse(between men only) is basically part if the "how not to get your village wiped out by plague or famine" chapter of the "Civilizationing 101" book:
1.- Don't touch blood and other bodily fluids.
2.- Guidelines for handling dead bodies.
3.- Don't eat animals that tend to be filled with parasites, or that tend to go bad easily
4.- Don't mix livestock, fabrics, or food, so in the case of one group being contaminated you don't have to get rid of all of it
5.- Don't stick pee-pee stick in poo-poo hole(
There's a reason Grindr has a field to put in your HIV status, whether you're on PrEP, and when you last got tested.) Despite prohibition of other sexual misconduct that specifically calls out women, clam slam isn't actually prohibited.
6.- Describing what might be gonorrhea, explaining that it's unclean
7.- Woman is unclean during her period(because blood)
8.- No incest
9.- Preventing soil erosion
10.- Don't fuck animals
11.- How to clean yourself
12.- Don't sacrifice babies to Moloch
What you should point out is Leviticus 20, which has "death" pretty much being the punishment for like 90% of the stuff banned by the rest of Leviticus.
Then again "death" is a pretty good way to convince people not to do dumb shit before germ theory.
I can fucking empathize
"are you clean?"
"yeah, my last test was late January"
"hur dur me too, let's not use condoms, look at me I'm a retard and don't understand how STDs work! Also, we should just trust each other's words. No reason to believe I actually have an STD and just don't like wearing condoms! Hurb durb! How do you safe sex?"
"no thanks, I'd like to keep it that way"
I fuck other men. Leviticus and similar laws from other religions are probably the main reason they didn't get wiped out by STDs back in the day.
Also, pretty sure "all sex that isn't for baby-making is a sin, including with your own hand" is the only other context where gay sex is bad.
Sorry, that went somewhere else.
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There are judges of the dead, who judge what you've done in life and sends you off to the appropriate place
So, moving back to the story proper. Hell is uparming and industrializing. Paul knows that at least some members of RCC (the largest christian sect around) are quite good people (Father Mathias), and has no reason to believe that Pope is evil.
Should Paul not contact the priesthood of all the churches supplying hell and indicate to them that maybe it's time to either
1) Start explaining to people that hell is real, with evidence, and that they should try to avoid going there
or, better,
2) Crusade?
Because the situation seems ripe for a Crusade. A united Abrahamic Crusade, with superhero support, summoned angels, magical monks and all that fun stuff.
Paul has a lot of goodwill, he has a lot of recordings and intelligence that needs to be shown to people. Him ignoring the situation seems terribly OOC.
Should Paul not contact the priesthood of all the churches supplying hell and indicate to them that maybe it's time to either
1) Start explaining to people that hell is real, with evidence, and that they should try to avoid going there
or, better,
2) Crusade?
Because the situation seems ripe for a Crusade. A united Abrahamic Crusade, with superhero support, summoned angels, magical monks and all that fun stuff.
Paul has a lot of goodwill, he has a lot of recordings and intelligence that needs to be shown to people. Him ignoring the situation seems terribly OOC.
Empiricist2
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Kinda, yeah. As far as I'm aware, there isn't a clause in the Bible saying that all these laws hold only up until you understand germ theory and sanitation, after which time you can do whatever. That there are survival related reasons for these laws doesn't change that they are codified as the word of the creator of the universe as rules that everyone should follow on pain of death or similar punishment. So while I did find your post interesting, it's not particularly relevant to what I was talking about.
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