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Man of Steel is basically the deconstruction of Superman, though. They darken and mute his costume and then start asking "but what if he's dangerous tho?" And to me, that's the point that's been missed so far. Superhero costumes are about hope, and painting a target, and branding and such, but they're also to make you look ridiculous.

People are afraid of Man of Steel Superman. People are not afraid of Christopher Reeve's Superman, or when they are, they're treated as silly. Yes, the tone of the two is very different, but that's the point. The costume design is part of setting that tone. That's why costume design is even a thing. If it wasn't important, Hollywood wouldn't pay for it.

CR Superman can turn back time by flying around the world against it's rotation, but his costume (and other's) says: "Don't worry about me, I'm a goofball!" It also says "don't worry, Superman is here", but the initial reaction is part of what keeps armies from mobilizing until he's proven not to be a threat.

That... is actually a theory I hadn't considered. If they're deliberately trying to look ridiculous in order to assuage fears, then it's still dumb, but it's dumb in a way I can live with, because at least it has a purpose beyond saying "shoot me, not them".
 
And I'd be dead and unable to save the next victim. And this is preferable somehow? Unless you run the risk of killing the victim yourself (which is possible for some heroes, I'll concede), you don't have to take the damn bullet for them; moving them out of the way is superior.
This is on the assumption that you're capable of taking the bullet and continuing to fight. Obviously if you're just as squishy as the intended target then this doesn't work. But if you're just as squishy as the intended target then you probably CAN'T knock them out of the way either.
 
I mean, if you're going to judge whether the Justice League did the Right Thing, and whether or not they were correct in thinking that Zatara wouldn't want them to kill Nabu in order to free him, the fact that it turns out Zatara actually didn't want them to kill Nabu in order to free him seems like a rather big deal to ignore.
While this is true, from an operational and moral standpoint I don't give a whole lot of weight to someone who has been taken hostage until they are have been removed in time and space from the hostage taker. For the same reason I think what happened to Patty Hearst was more of a miscarriage of justice then actual justice. Identifying with the kidnapper becomes a survival strategy. I don't give a lot of weight to the Giovanni consenting after the fact.

Nor would I blame him as a conspirator for whatever happened to all the 'Evil Mages' Nabu defeated when they were joined, and then made vanish instead of turning over for trial. Even if some of those mages Giovanni is proud of taking down turn out to have been mainly guilty of using a magic style Nabo hates (Chaos magic) and didn't actually commit an actual serious crime by non Insane Lich standards.

See, that's the thing: I literally cannot conceive of any military situation where being noticeable is ever worth the risk of being shot and killed, because being shot and killed is very, very final.
Being part of an advantaged social class like many officers were historically, with your social class mirrored and recognised by the other side. So you can be singled out for special consideration and treatment, instead of being expected to die ignominiously like all the other riff raff, who just don't matter like you do.
 
What? Why not? Momentum is a thing, and so is adrenaline.
I think you underestimate how fast bullets travel. If you've heard the shot and you haven't started moving yet, it's already too late. If you're in motion before the trigger is pulled, the shooter has an opportunity to adjust their aim -- or worse, even, to NOT shoot (or take a SECOND shot) until you've expended your momentum and the intended target is on the ground because you just knocked them over. Good job making it worse, hero.

Yes, amateur punks that are themselves hopped up on adrenalin may not necessarily have the skills or presence of mind to adapt to the changing situation, but in the general case of someone intentionally trying to kill someone else, the defender is at a massive disadvantage. (That's the whole reason firearms became commonplace in the first place.)

So in order for this discussion to be meaningful at all, we've got to talk about people with superpowers.

If you don't have a way to mitigate the effects of inertia (e.g. the Flash bringing someone along into his accelerated timestream) then moving fast enough to get someone out of the way after the bullet has left the barrel is highly likely to result in traumatic injuries.

If you can tank the bullet, that's the best way to do it. The best way to stop a bullet is to put something in the way. If it hits you and doesn't go all the way through, then you've successfully protected the target.

Being part of an advantaged social class like many officers were historically, with your social class mirrored and recognised by the other side. So you can be singled out for special consideration and treatment, instead of being expected to die ignominiously like all the other riff raff, who just don't matter like you do.
Seconding this: One of those special considerations is ransom -- if you can capture an enemy noble/commander alive, you can hold them hostage until you get suitable compensation.
 
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Hmm. Lantern Xor asked why he was doing this, but really, after being given a power ring, isn't it obvious that the Illustres wants to put him to work?
Lantern Xor isn't used to getting nice things.
Thank you, corrected.
I was going to say that this one was correct, then I discovered that I was transatlanticating.
meaning to ask:
completely rigid
thinks about it
Thank you, corrected.
 
Hey Mr. Zoat is Zatanna the only one who under went a costume change or did other members of the Team as well, does Kaldur still use Ocean Master's armor and trident or is he using his previous attire and water bearers?
Everyone else is pretty much wearing what they had when the SI left. Wallace and Richard have had to get slightly larger costumes, but that's it.
I am unfamiliar with who that is.
He's a guy the Stormwatch and The Authority. He started interesting, being a Human altered by aliens so that he was adapted for living in cities. Then the God-moding retcons started.
Star Sapphires are more yandere crazy girlfriend types IIRC.

Is this the case @Mr Zoat?
At present there are no Star Sapphires. There are Zamarons who use the violet light, and there's whatever luckless alien woman is getting exposed to the Star Sapphire gem currently. Precisely how they end up behaving depends on the individual and the situation. If Jordan had been upfront about his second job things would have gone rather differently.
 
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Heh, there was that one cartoon where he temporarily pretended to be Batman while Batman was missing.

He did a pretty good job faking Batman's stealthily-appearing-from-nowhere routine by using superspeed when nobody was looking, which was both effective and funny to watch. No matter how fast you run, you turn a corner and somehow "Batman" is already standing right there ahead of you...
Any idea which episode that was? I'm guessing it was in DCAU.

Aye. When Glenda the little witch from the Impossibles said No Capes and gave examples, I kept thinking up reasons why her examples were terrible.
Likewise, only one or two of Edna Mode's examples had anything whatsoever to do with the capes those heroes were wearing, the rest would have happened anyway, or possibly shouldn't have happened at all the way they were depicted.
 
@Mr Zoat an old typo:
"I didn't say it was a master class of ring use. I just mean to say that when one of us is assigned to a task we really want to complete… Our rookies are -in that one endeavour- as powerful as your veterans." Our of the corner of my eye I see Guy's mouth start to open. "Powerful." I turn my head to look at him. "Not as skilled, or as good.. generally. Just 'as powerful'."

Ganthet looks unconfortable. "At the cost of their sanity."
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Likewise, only one or two of Edna Mode's examples had anything whatsoever to do with the capes those heroes were wearing, the rest would have happened anyway, or possibly shouldn't have happened at all the way they were depicted.
Edna was a bored artist. She wasn't banning capes because of danger, she was banning capes because she was bored of them and wanted to innovate. The examples were just excuses.
 
Uhhh did we ever find out in comics how violet light alters thoughts related to traditions of monogamy?

If she's sufficiently juiced up on it, I would actually expect her default reaction to be "great! more love is better anyway!"

Sufficiently juiced gets you pretty far on the yandere end of the spectrum.

Then again, trying to extrapolate from most Star Sapphire activity would be like trying to extrapolate Paul from Larfleeze, so who knows?
 
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