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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Paul really should go and kill off Vandal and Ras al Ghul permanently, then I bet he could take over the Light without much resistance. Luthor probably super approve of Paul current mindset and Brain should be able to be nudged toward some SCIENCE! that's too destructive with proper avarice.
 
Yu3kino said:
Paul really should go and kill off Vandal and Ras al Ghul permanently, then I bet he could take over the Light without much resistance. Luthor probably super approve of Paul current mindset and Brain should be able to be nudged toward some SCIENCE! that's too destructive with proper avarice.
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Ras is dead though? Killed by his allies because the only useful thing he knew, the Lazarus pit, was given in exchange for safe haven and his organization was destroyed?

Vandal is being eaten by hyenas in an infinite loop before he can reform. Right?
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Yes, the morality is part of it. But the other is that if you didn't, if the League ever abandons its moral authority like that again, there will not be a Justice League afterwards." He blinks, taking a step back. "Nothing.. brutal, I wouldn't kill you. But you all agreed to cover up the Nabu situation rather than go to trial because you knew what the publicity would do to you. And when you value good PR over a man's life or doing the right thing… Then you're not heroes any more."
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yeesh, brutal, but on the other hand, he kinda has a point. the league has a disturbingly small amount of oversight, a worryingly broad remit and a terrifyingly large amount of force. That was mostly ok because they were moral paragons, right up until they weren't. The league is a net positive in its present form because it holds itself to such a high standard, if it stopped doing that then it can't be allowed to exist in its present form. The leagu showed with naboo that maybe they do need somone providing oversight to them.
 
Welp, Paul's filter is officially gone when talking with Justice League members who were OK with the possession. He could have couched that in more pleasant or less confrontational terms, but he just has zero patience for people willing to allow what he views as that kind of extreme evil to pass without comment, while still portraying themselves as heroes.

Frankly, it's kind of understandable. The main difference is the narrative that each party perceives, which I'm sure is causing some cognitive dissonance all around.
 
I wonder if anyone in the Justice League is still gobsmacked that he stood before them while under the effects of the Lasso of Truth. All of them deserve to be annoyed with the way Paul is strutting around (activating Batman's defense systems for example), but if they actually take a moment to think about the lasso thing then they might agree that Paul was the "least wrong" in that whole mess. Paul's scheme was not heroic in any comic book sense. Paul does not expect to become a capital-H Hero in the eyes of the Justice League. He focuses on results.

To an extent doing anything else, anything less, makes you more like an actor playing the role of a hero rather than actually being the hero society needs. Paul doesn't need glory, but he is savvy enough to avoid suffering like Constantine.


Hmm. Speaking of Constantine... I wonder if he'll ever reveal Paul's secret origins to the Justice League. Paul did tell him that he knew of DC as a fictional series.
 
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You know, Im looking forward to/hoping for when a recruit shows just why the Guardians went with green rings. The Guardians probably spent a long time deciding on which color to use, and being intelligent they had someone knowledgeable about the lights to judge the relative risks accurately. I want to see the mania of the recruits, the reason why they have spent millennia using green rings when they could have put the effort into making the otherwise superior rings work. I want to see the SI recruit someone, and despite the self awareness training, go completely crazy and cause some lasting damage. Not kill everyone or something, but very clearly make the wrong decision because they were overwhelmed with short term desire. Because right now it seems like the SI is handing out rings almost like candy, and each person adjusts just fine to it. Along with the story element, it just makes the Guardians look really dumb, because the green rings are so limited in so many ways, and they could have put in the effort to designing a system for choosing which people could use orange rings well.

Dox actually did just that. It may have been inferior to the SI's ability to directly look at someone's desires, but it's clearly possible to design a good algorithm for deciding which people can use orange rings well. And if Dox can make that algorithm in a week or however long it took him, the Guardians could have figured it out at some point.

Edit: This is a thought I've had for a little while, but it's specifically in reaction to Konvikt healing other people minutes after getting his ring. Yes, he values justice, but it is a ring powered by greed and selfishness. The SI spent quite a while getting to the point of being able to reliably heal and help people other than himself, and he still mentions that he can and will suffer from care fatigue fairly quickly if he's healing people he doesn't know. Konvikt getting the hang of generating the avarice required so quickly, on things that are tertiary or intermediate goals, seems implausible. If orange rings are near objectively better in application, they should at least be similarly difficult to use on average, and we aren't seeing that difficulty.
 
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random_npc said:
we don't know what happened to savage, but I don't think odin would think highly of him. Though oidin is a pragmatic bastard so he's probably finding a use for him other than hyena chow.
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It was implied by Mr Zoat that Savage was having problems resurrecting because hyenas were eating him as fast as he healed back up. Not because of Odin.
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He's still dead at the moment. Stupid Hyenas...
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By now I suspect one chance or another diverted them long enough that he's up and operating again.
 
parnary said:
No, saying he's not going to keep quiet about another Nabu situation is one thing. Being that threatening and confrontational, dare I say villainous with the "there won't be a justice league anymore" schtick. That was a mistake.
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Earlier in the conversation, Flash made a compelling case to Paul about why the latter shouldn't trust the former to think through long-term consequences of actions without adult supervision. This threat was basically Paul speaking slowly while using short words.
 
Empiricist2 said:
You know, Im looking forward to/hoping for when a recruit shows just why the Guardians went with green rings. The Guardians probably spent a long time deciding on which color to use, and being intelligent they had someone knowledgeable about the lights to judge the relative risks accurately. I want to see the mania of the recruits, the reason why they have spent millennia using green rings when they could have put the effort into making the otherwise superior rings work. I want to see the SI recruit someone, and despite the self awareness training, go completely crazy and cause some lasting damage. Not kill everyone or something, but very clearly make the wrong decision because they were overwhelmed with short term desire. Because right now it seems like the SI is handing out rings almost like candy, and each person adjusts just fine to it. Along with the story element, it just makes the Guardians look really dumb, because the green rings are so limited in so many ways, and they could have put in the effort to designing a system for choosing which people could use orange rings well.

Dox actually did just that. It may have been inferior to the SI's ability to directly look at someone's desires, but it's clearly possible to design a good algorithm for deciding which people can use orange rings well. And if Dox can make that algorithm in a week or however long it took him, the Guardians could have figured it out at some point.
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The main thing you have to remember about the Guardians is that they're control freaks. They went with Green Light because it was the one that was the most stable, and thus the easiest to control period. It doesn't matter that an Indigo Lantern could duplicate all the other lights, or that the sheer power of an Orange or Blue Lantern eclipsed a Green many times over. It only matters that the Green Light of Will allows for the greatest control for the Guardians.

Also, technically speaking, without Paul's unique relationship with the Ophidian this would be going way differently than it has.
 
APL 123AZ said:
How much of that is simply cause of Paul's teaching though?

I mean most greenies use energy blasts and baseball bats, while Paul's been teaching his to rely on railguns.
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Their constructs are, I mean. An energy blast from a green recruit would be weaker than one for an orange recruit who wanted to blast something
 
ThrawnCA said:
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No, his = hirs.
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Can't claim to be an expert, I'm just basing these on ze and hir | Gender Neutral Pronoun Blog
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Thank you, corrected.
batch of hatches opens
volley of beams strikes... and denies
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No, I think the fact there's one batch takes president over the fact that there are many hatches.
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Could be right, but "expecting you to ask" seems to better fit the context (him offering a proposed plan of action)
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Thank you, corrected. I'll do the rest this evening.
 
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