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- Somewhere out there
No he didn't. That only counts if you WILLINGLY enter the country.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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- New England
Appears is a iffy word. He was forced into this country by his ship crashing, neither a citizen nor an immigrant so I'm not actually sure if there are laws covering him (illegal immigration covers people willingly entering the country). So he'd probably be a foreign national shot for walking towards a group of people wearing uniforms he didn't recognize shouting at him in a language he didn't understand and defending himself against people who wished him harm.
Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
- Location
- Latin America
And he willingly did so. He wasn't housed in a station in low earth orbit (meaning there is only one way to go). His ship plotted a course towards earth ergo he came here willingly. Your argument would have some weight if he had come here against his will.
Err have to go, but the point is that if he didn't want to be in our jurisdiction he was completely capable of crash landing on any other celestial body in the solar system, but because he didn't he is at the mercy of our legal system.
For a real life equivalent go read about maritime law and how it deals with similar situations to this one.
A good equivalent would be a pilot being forced to make an emergency landing on a country with zero formal relations with his own country.
The relevant cases are usually from before the cold war, but the relevant point is that as you lack any form of relationship or recognition with the place you were forced to land upon, then you are 100% at the mercy of their laws.
Paul aided in the escape of a fugitive there are no IFs about thay.
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- Location
- Argentina
German and French with some Italian. But personally I think it was just to make bread last more.
- Location
- New England
No? Didn't his ship crash completely out of his control? He didn't choose where he landed, he didn't get the option, I think.
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- texas
The story hasn't said yet.
If Zoat is going by the comics, which he seems to be doing here, then his "mini ship" is an escape pod.
Science
If you're reading this, omae wa mo shindeiru.
- Location
- Killeen, TX
Anytime, Anywhere. It's not "Gotta catch a few", it's "Gotta catch 'em all!" ya dig?
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
Wherever he is, I think Ambush Bug sensed a great disturbance in this chapter, as if a whole storyline cried out and was suddenly extinguished...
Can't claim to be an expert, I'm just basing these on ze and hir | Gender Neutral Pronoun Blog
Would normally ignore, but this actually changes the meaning
hir right
Ze shakes hir head
hir equipment
Can't claim to be an expert, I'm just basing these on ze and hir | Gender Neutral Pronoun Blog
back in to her body
three days'
a Tentacle
music licence
batch of hatches opens
volley of beams strikes... and denies
the air conditioning... is
Could be right, but "expecting you to ask" seems to better fit the context (him offering a proposed plan of action)
Tourette's
phenomenon on record is
how she looks at things
Isn't it "Homo Sapiens Sapiens"?
how to utilise them
evacuating the Management;
selection criteria were
Khorne:
Let me guess:
playing second fiddle to your sister or becoming
blinks, then focuses
"pulling my phone out of my pocket and pressing" or "pulling my phone out of my pocket, and press"
to practise
practised
to blow
eyes closed
advancing robots, which
Would normally ignore, but this actually changes the meaning
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think this should have the apostrophe
know I'm an SI?!
every setting DC owns?!
lots of versions
The Cats:
is a series
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RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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- Australia
Tell that to Trayvon Martin.
Legend of Ruina
Growing eyes on the inside
What amuses me having just binged Trinity is that Konvikt was vaguely under threat in Trinity. But if it were true for this story he'd be dead from Paul's transfer.
His interpreter was also bonded to him as a precautionary measure, get too far apart and both die, presumably similar issues exist if the interpreter is killed. The other thing to note is Konvikt regains his resolve towards the end, works to fix that mistake. Then once the world is fixed he goes to work for the family of the one victim he cared about, and it turns out it was a Mafia family.
Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
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- Latin America
He executed an emergency FTL and headed towards earth. He could have gone towards Mars, Mercury or whatever, ergo he crash landed on earth willingly, if he didn't want to be subject to Earth Jurisdiction then he should have crash landed elsewhere.
Again, ye old maritime laws are a good measure of how the scenario goes. He crashlanded on the US territory, thus he is subject to US jurisdiction. Red Paul was giving SHIT to mercenaries for doing pretty much exactly what Paul did here.
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- madison
I think a better example would be a ship crashing on the coast of another nation during a storm. He was in an escape pod, and likely just headed for the nearest habitable planet. Mars, mecury or whatever would have him asphyxiate or starve to death in short order. That is again assuming the Pod wasn't automated.
Chaoswind
Lord of nonsense
- Location
- Latin America
It doesn't matter.
He crash landed in the US, he is under US jurisdiction.
Modern day ships and their cargo are protected under international agreements between nation states, those rules and treaties were agreed upon and made into international agreed terms, this alien guy has none of those protections. He is by default on US jurisdiction and as such needs to be apprehended (at the very least he cannot leave the country until the legal process he is warranted as per the sophons law the US-16 recently passed is completed) Paul literally helped a suspect to flee US jurisdiction, someone needs to hit him over the head with this shit because HE FUCKED UP.
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- Tulsa, Oklahoma
You're right. From an American/Earth point of view.
Neither the SI or Lantern Xor will see it the same way.
OL is now a police/army/free lancer/do gooder that will try and look at everything in a reasonable point of view from both sides and defend or persecute whoever is wrong by his own standards.
Edit: Paul giving Xor the Ring was stupid. He should have waited for the situation to end while protecting Xor then give him his ring.
Preferably in front of all the League members with a camera ready.
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- madison
I was talking specifically about him entering the country illegally. That said, we don't know Paul intends to help him evade American persecution. He's probably going to advocate for him, but if paul was going to leg it he'd probably have taken him out of the country rather than to a nearby clearing. Keep in mind orange rings are not plug and play, so the ring could be a job waiting for him after his legal issues get cleared up, or a tool he could use to do community service. If paul just has him zip of to space that would be a dick move but I doubt he'd be so casual about picking a massive fight with the country most of his friends live in.
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- Tulsa, Oklahoma
Has Batman been paying any of his taxes on the Batmobile or Batplane?
Batmobile speeding? A fucking plane in a city?
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Converse (part 20)
- Location
- Hampden Park
15th September
08:58 GMT -5
"Okay, maybe it did help."
Mister Allen and I watch as Lantern Xor finishes reassembling Thayer's Notch, getting a quiet cheer from some of the town's remaining residents. Not the ones whose relatives' corpses were dug out, obviously, but that total was far fewer than I'd suspected. I very much doubt that General Hardcastle is enjoying the conversation he's having with Kal-El right now.
"I appreciate you admitting that, Flash. It saves me from having to bear a grudge about it."
He glances at me. "So I'm not 'sir' any more?"
"As Ms Waller pointed out a few days ago, I don't have any formal working relationship with the Justice League any longer. As such, rather than being a member of my team's steering committee, you're… Some guy. And while I don't plan on bringing up the Nabu incident every single time we meet-"
"Now hold on-."
"-I haven't exactly forgotten that the entire League signed off on it. I don't trust any of you to hold command authority over me. I certainly won't be repeating last year's oath."
"I wasn't asking you to do that." He pointedly looks towards the medical station that's been set up for the wounded. "Not that I'm exactly impressed by your choice of recruit-."
Lantern Xor lands in the middle of the beds, a good few of both the patients and staff looking at him in alarm. His eyes briefly alight on a young police officer, but he limits himself to a glower before walking past and pointing his ring at a man with four broken ribs.
"Gosh, yes. What a menace."
"Why did he walk past that guy?"
"'That guy' probably shot him."
"He's not shooting him now."
"Flash, I'm not sure if you were listening when I said it, but the Geneva Conventions are very much an Earth thing. Lantern Xor has a strong sense of honour, but that doesn't mean that he's particularly nice. In his culture, if you pick a fight then you deserve everything you get. I can persuade him to help civilians, but he will not help anyone who attacked him."
Which is why I gave a quick heal to injured Justice League members. They may not be my favourite people in the universe at the moment, but I don't want them carrying injuries. There might be an actual invasion sometime soon.
"What exactly do you think is going to happen to him? More to the point, what does he think is going to happen?"
"I expect that he'll be questioned under caution, then the…" Jurisdiction in cases like this can be a bit interesting. It's not the FBI, because it doesn't concern inter-state crime. It's not the NSA because this isn't an invasion… "What, the state police?"
"Probably."
"Right, while they investigate. At this point, the only thing they can actually arrest him for is immigration offences… But he clearly crashed here and I've already submitted his asylum application. So as long as they have an address for him, they probably won't."
"Do you really think he didn't commit a crime here?"
"I think Mister Augustus Freeman will win the case for me."
His mouth opens slightly, then closes again. "What, you don't trust Luthor's lawyer any more?"
"I think Lantern Xor will respect Mister Freeman more. He doesn't have a lot of patience for legalism, but he can respect someone who can take a punch from him and keep fighting. Anyway, I can put him up in a hotel for a while with strict instructions to contact me before engaging in combat. That should give the lead investigator plenty of time to decide whether he wants to bring any charges. And give me a chance to educate him before he carries on with his mission."
"Which is?"
"His strongest desire is to see justice done. I haven't studied the place, but I understand that his homeworld doesn't have the best judicial system. Once he's ready, I'll be sending him back there to fix that."
"That what you do now? Take over planets?"
"Given sufficient provocation, yes. And if you want to follow that line of enquiry, I'll be happy to show you the planet where they cut their womenfolks' eyes out once they reach maturity. I don't intervene in nice places." I frown. "Don't you have a day job you need to be getting back to?"
"I was going to try to explain to you why I didn't vote against Nabu."
"If you think it will help. There's nothing I can think of that you could say which would make me respect your decision even slightly. With Diana, Batman and Kal-El I've been more concerned with building a relationship going forward."
"Okay-" He waves his right hand. "-then, I'm just going to say it. I didn't think Nabu would stick around indefinitely. Once we got Klarion under control-" M-mghf. "-I think he'd have been far more reasonable."
"Oh. Really?" I smile at him in the most sarcastic way I can manage. "And what brilliant plan did you have for 'controlling' Klarion? And how long exactly were you prepared to give Nabu?"
"I admit, I didn't have one. And I'm.. not sure."
"Ah, I see. So, what? You think I should have waited indefinitely?" His eyes narrow. "I'm not trying to take the piss here, I'm genuinely curious. How long was too long? At what point would you have… I don't know, said something to Batman?"
His scowl fades, and from the way he avoids meeting my eyes I think he's realised that he doesn't have a good answer. "I… Think I was waiting for Nabu to do something… Wrong."
"And… Possessing Mister-?"
"Something else. Otherwise, he was just… Reasonable."
"What..? Were you waiting for him to cackle manically?" I sigh. "No, just… Just promise me that you'll never do something like that again."
"I wasn't planning on doing that anyway." He folds his arms across his chest. "And I'm sure knowing that you'd kill them would motivate us to find another solution."
I nod. "I'm glad to hear it. But that's not… Why you should."
"No. We should have come up with something anyway. I get-."
"Yes, the morality is part of it. But the other is that if you didn't, if the League ever abandons its moral authority like that again, there will not be a Justice League afterwards." He blinks, taking a step back. "Nothing.. brutal, I wouldn't kill you. But you all agreed to cover up the Nabu situation rather than go to trial because you knew what the publicity would do to you. And when you value good PR over a man's life or doing the right thing… Then you're not heroes any more."
"I don't even need to release your secret identities. Just releasing that, then destroying the Watchtower and the zeta tube network would probably be enough." I sigh. "Though if you feel like heading that way, could you please give me at least a few years? Getting a replacement organisation in place would take me a while."
Lantern Xor rises up from the medical area and heads our way, a helicopter pilot blinded in one eye gesturing for him to come back.
"Excuse me."
08:58 GMT -5
"Okay, maybe it did help."
Mister Allen and I watch as Lantern Xor finishes reassembling Thayer's Notch, getting a quiet cheer from some of the town's remaining residents. Not the ones whose relatives' corpses were dug out, obviously, but that total was far fewer than I'd suspected. I very much doubt that General Hardcastle is enjoying the conversation he's having with Kal-El right now.
"I appreciate you admitting that, Flash. It saves me from having to bear a grudge about it."
He glances at me. "So I'm not 'sir' any more?"
"As Ms Waller pointed out a few days ago, I don't have any formal working relationship with the Justice League any longer. As such, rather than being a member of my team's steering committee, you're… Some guy. And while I don't plan on bringing up the Nabu incident every single time we meet-"
"Now hold on-."
"-I haven't exactly forgotten that the entire League signed off on it. I don't trust any of you to hold command authority over me. I certainly won't be repeating last year's oath."
"I wasn't asking you to do that." He pointedly looks towards the medical station that's been set up for the wounded. "Not that I'm exactly impressed by your choice of recruit-."
Lantern Xor lands in the middle of the beds, a good few of both the patients and staff looking at him in alarm. His eyes briefly alight on a young police officer, but he limits himself to a glower before walking past and pointing his ring at a man with four broken ribs.
"Gosh, yes. What a menace."
"Why did he walk past that guy?"
"'That guy' probably shot him."
"He's not shooting him now."
"Flash, I'm not sure if you were listening when I said it, but the Geneva Conventions are very much an Earth thing. Lantern Xor has a strong sense of honour, but that doesn't mean that he's particularly nice. In his culture, if you pick a fight then you deserve everything you get. I can persuade him to help civilians, but he will not help anyone who attacked him."
Which is why I gave a quick heal to injured Justice League members. They may not be my favourite people in the universe at the moment, but I don't want them carrying injuries. There might be an actual invasion sometime soon.
"What exactly do you think is going to happen to him? More to the point, what does he think is going to happen?"
"I expect that he'll be questioned under caution, then the…" Jurisdiction in cases like this can be a bit interesting. It's not the FBI, because it doesn't concern inter-state crime. It's not the NSA because this isn't an invasion… "What, the state police?"
"Probably."
"Right, while they investigate. At this point, the only thing they can actually arrest him for is immigration offences… But he clearly crashed here and I've already submitted his asylum application. So as long as they have an address for him, they probably won't."
"Do you really think he didn't commit a crime here?"
"I think Mister Augustus Freeman will win the case for me."
His mouth opens slightly, then closes again. "What, you don't trust Luthor's lawyer any more?"
"I think Lantern Xor will respect Mister Freeman more. He doesn't have a lot of patience for legalism, but he can respect someone who can take a punch from him and keep fighting. Anyway, I can put him up in a hotel for a while with strict instructions to contact me before engaging in combat. That should give the lead investigator plenty of time to decide whether he wants to bring any charges. And give me a chance to educate him before he carries on with his mission."
"Which is?"
"His strongest desire is to see justice done. I haven't studied the place, but I understand that his homeworld doesn't have the best judicial system. Once he's ready, I'll be sending him back there to fix that."
"That what you do now? Take over planets?"
"Given sufficient provocation, yes. And if you want to follow that line of enquiry, I'll be happy to show you the planet where they cut their womenfolks' eyes out once they reach maturity. I don't intervene in nice places." I frown. "Don't you have a day job you need to be getting back to?"
"I was going to try to explain to you why I didn't vote against Nabu."
"If you think it will help. There's nothing I can think of that you could say which would make me respect your decision even slightly. With Diana, Batman and Kal-El I've been more concerned with building a relationship going forward."
"Okay-" He waves his right hand. "-then, I'm just going to say it. I didn't think Nabu would stick around indefinitely. Once we got Klarion under control-" M-mghf. "-I think he'd have been far more reasonable."
"Oh. Really?" I smile at him in the most sarcastic way I can manage. "And what brilliant plan did you have for 'controlling' Klarion? And how long exactly were you prepared to give Nabu?"
"I admit, I didn't have one. And I'm.. not sure."
"Ah, I see. So, what? You think I should have waited indefinitely?" His eyes narrow. "I'm not trying to take the piss here, I'm genuinely curious. How long was too long? At what point would you have… I don't know, said something to Batman?"
His scowl fades, and from the way he avoids meeting my eyes I think he's realised that he doesn't have a good answer. "I… Think I was waiting for Nabu to do something… Wrong."
"And… Possessing Mister-?"
"Something else. Otherwise, he was just… Reasonable."
"What..? Were you waiting for him to cackle manically?" I sigh. "No, just… Just promise me that you'll never do something like that again."
"I wasn't planning on doing that anyway." He folds his arms across his chest. "And I'm sure knowing that you'd kill them would motivate us to find another solution."
I nod. "I'm glad to hear it. But that's not… Why you should."
"No. We should have come up with something anyway. I get-."
"Yes, the morality is part of it. But the other is that if you didn't, if the League ever abandons its moral authority like that again, there will not be a Justice League afterwards." He blinks, taking a step back. "Nothing.. brutal, I wouldn't kill you. But you all agreed to cover up the Nabu situation rather than go to trial because you knew what the publicity would do to you. And when you value good PR over a man's life or doing the right thing… Then you're not heroes any more."
"I don't even need to release your secret identities. Just releasing that, then destroying the Watchtower and the zeta tube network would probably be enough." I sigh. "Though if you feel like heading that way, could you please give me at least a few years? Getting a replacement organisation in place would take me a while."
Lantern Xor rises up from the medical area and heads our way, a helicopter pilot blinded in one eye gesturing for him to come back.
"Excuse me."
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Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
- Location
- Central Park
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
Poor Publicity League.
Glorious Godfrey alone would rip them a new one.
Not to mention more legitimate news persons.
Glorious Godfrey alone would rip them a new one.
Not to mention more legitimate news persons.
- Location
- New England
Whelp, Paul's officially nuts.
I get why he wanted to say that but he really shouldn't have.
- Location
- Madness realms
Brutal as fuck, threatening to dismantle and replace the league if they stray from the path of heroes, totally awesome.
- Location
- America
Just the fact that he was right about any of the things he said would ruin them.
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