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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Ragnar said:
Too many times.



It's also a comedy that's written by people to make an entertaining. You're arguement would work if it was a real world, and from an in story perspective it makes sense.

What doesn't work is that you use that from an out of story perspective where you have crafted this narrative. We've already had the whole Si/Jade pairing. It's a complete retread. Sure, the situations are slightly different and maybe the results arn't the same but it's trodden ground.

This is bad from a story telling perspective.

Now feel bad, and thing about narrative flow.
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It may be the same pairing but they have had a whole host of experiences different then the renegade timeline and those experiences (which even a first grader knows) are what shape them as people and therefore it could be wildly different then the other timeline.
Also just because you don't like a pairing or relationship doesn't mean you should insult zoats already shown to be stellar storytelling

Oh and about you crack about red dwarf. Even comedic series can have a very serious point if you look beyond the genre, and think about it from an in universe context of a dude going crazy and having a lifeline to stay sane even though it's in the form of someone he hates because that familiarity can keep them anchored to reality . and Jade is far from hated and knows how to handle the typical super crap
Enderverse87 said:
No? She hasn't even met the Joker yet.
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Then she's someone we have met for a total of like what five hours most of which was a hostage situation
 
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Rjrulew said:
Harley Quinn's crazy beyond salvation till joker's dead strike one
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Someone hasn't been reading the story. Paul's spent a ton of time with Dr. Quinziel. Also took her as his date to Bruce Wayne's wedding thing. Then went flying. She just as boring as Jade true, but she's just as much as an option AND propositioned him first.

Rjrulew said:
Thinks of troia as a friend at best a mutual aqauintence at worst strike two
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Actually, I think her age has more to do with it, but I might be wrong. She clearly wasn't that upset when Paul hit on her under the Queen of Fables influence, and has dropped more than a few hints that she likes him. Also, not boring.

Rjrulew said:
Hera is in no way gonna be into a relationship after just dealing with a divorce and probably getting used to being single first
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Hera is a several thousand year old goddess, so don't tell me what she is or isn't going to do. Secondly, she DID express interest in Paul when they met in her son's forge. Paul was understandably leery. But...not boring.

Rjrulew said:
Melonoe a Greek goddess of the dead in a pantheon known for petty douchery
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Madness and nightmares actually. But again, NOT BORING.

Rjrulew said:
Also the normal people have perspectives powereds don't and all the other people fighting nabu had super powers not exactly as courageous as getting a sniper and firing at a millenia old super wizard
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Correct. Different perspectives...like how normal people often can NOT even remotely understand where supers are coming from (this is a common problem in relationships in comics.) Also, the people who had to fight Nabu up close (I.E Adom, Zatanna, and Cornwall) had to be a lot braver because...well you know, they weren't plinking at him from a distance. Zatanna and Cornwall MIGHT have been safe from death, but OL, John and Adom? Not so much.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Someone hasn't been reading the story. Paul's spent a ton of time with Dr. Quinziel. Also took her as his date to Bruce Wayne's wedding thing. Then went flying. She just as boring as Jade true, but she's just as much as an option AND propositioned him first.

Actually, I think her age has more to do with it, but I might be wrong. She clearly wasn't that upset when Paul hit on her under the Queen of Fables influence, and has dropped more than a few hints that she likes him. Also, not boring.

Hera is a several thousand year old goddess, so don't tell me what she is or isn't going to do. Secondly, she DID express interest in Paul when they met in her son's forge. Paul was understandably leery. But...not boring.

Madness and nightmares actually. But again, NOT BORING.

Correct. Different perspectives...like how normal people often can NOT even remotely understand where supers are coming from (this is a common problem in relationships in comics.) Also, the people who had to fight Nabu up close (I.E Adom, Zatanna, and Cornwall) had to be a lot braver because...well you know, they weren't plinking at him from a distance. Zatanna and Cornwall MIGHT have been safe from death, but OL, John and Adom? Not so much.
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Doesn't mean Paul expressed interest back on both Greeks aside from melonoe
Also see above dudes comment on melinoe and he still known Jade longer then Harley
And if every went for excitement than the world of DC would have a lot of toxic relationships cause the good people are either boring or pretending
 
Rjrulew said:
Doesn't mean Paul expressed interest back on both Greeks aside from melonoe
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Good thing that's not what I said. I said they were more interesting then Jade, and also laid out things that make them interesting. Also, they have shown interest, hence being added.

Rjrulew said:
Also see above dudes comment on melinoe and he still known Jade longer then Harley
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Uh no, you said, and I quote "Then she's someone we have met for a total of like what five hours most of which was a hostage situation"

Which is incorrect. Paul has known Harley for only SLIGHTLY less time then Jade. She was Jade's therapist...and the Terror twins...and Abra.

Rjrulew said:
And if every went for excitement than the world of DC would have a lot of toxic relationships cause the good people are either boring or pretending
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It's almost as if this is a story, a work of fiction, things that generally exist for an audience to enjoy while having absolutely no bearing on real people or real lives.

Zoat could literally write his SI having a loving relationship with fucking Darkseid and your comment would still be wrong.
 
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You've all forgotten Beautia which ticks the boxes you've raised. I don't actually have any problem with Jade. I just think you missed a point in your complaining.
 
@Maxx Crowley I think it's a bit unfair saying that Jade is boring as she can be a very intresting character. I personally enjoyed her story arc where she stepped back from the life of crime and was trying to find her place in the world. That being said I'm not too sure what else she could bring to the story. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see how this relationship progresses.

It's also worth noting that Zoat skipped over the date with Jade and just picked up the morning later (Unless they just went straight to Jades house after the massage). I think all of his other dates showed some romantic bonding while it was just absent here.
 
Omake: Fear The Cake Man

"He is insane." Batman said in his usual gruff tone.

"He was sent to Arkham Asylum and by his own words, got dosed with both Fear Gas and SmileX. And he survived without an antidote, of course he is insane." Nightwing argued, and not just because he and Bruce were having another fight.

"He was sent to Arkham for a reason."

"Yes because he was eating a lot of cake. Honesty, when will the harmeless insane people stop going to that madhouse to just end worse? I know you can do something about it." And by that he meant Bruce Wayne could do something about it.

Batman just stared, Nightwing stared back.

"There is a probable robbery in progress two blocks from here. Crystal Imports silent alarm got tripped." Oracle interrupted the argument using their "bat" coms.

"I will go." Batman said putting an end to the conversation by his point of view and leaving.

"Oracle he can't keep going like this." Dick Grayson complained.

"He lost Robin."

Because that was the problem, he had failed and lost one of his sons and he had inundated himself in work to compensate.

"It has been a year. He is just destroying himself and won't let anyone help."

"Excuse me... Nightwing?"

Dick Grayson turned around to look to a kid he had never seen before.

"What?" Did the kid really end in the rooftop without him noticing? Or was he already there.

"My name is Tim Drake and I think we need to talk."

Meanwhile...

"Mmm, no weddings this week in the city, not for the rich and or famous anyway. Maybe some big party? Sent a cake? No they learned to check those... " Cake Man looked over the newspaper with a bored tone, damn the eighties! He missed Internet.

One would think that whatever ROB sent him to DC comics, made sure he was experimented on, then resurrected him when he died because of the experiments, then also happily got him turned insane so he became a supervillain, would at least make that supervillain job easier.

But nooo! He had to do all the hard work himself.

Maybe he could attack Catwoman? No, she had not done anything wrong with him.

And Scarecrow got saved by Batman last month. The Joker had gone underground, and he himself was low on funds.

A candy factory? Maybe, it was close enough.

Oh and let's not forget Batman loved to use him as a punching bag, if it wasn't because of that "help" he got thanks to the experiments done to him he would probably still have several broken bones and a puntured lung.

"Mmm.... maybe Nigma could help..." It was all the Joker fault, not only his SmileX had helped to make him like this but the bastard had killed a Robin, Jason probably. Wait did that happen in the eighties? Whatever, fuck the multiverse.

Yes maybe the Riddler would have some ideas. Maybe they could do a team up, party invitations with riddles on them, yes he was a genius!

"SOON! SOON THIS CITY WILL LEARN TO FEAR THE CAKE MAN!"

And that was when Batman punched him in the face.

Oh right, he must have tripped a silent alarm or something, silly him.
 
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@Maxx Crowley I think it's a bit unfair saying that Jade is boring as she can be a very intresting character. I personally enjoyed her story arc where she stepped back from the life of crime and was trying to find her place in the world. That being said I'm not too sure what else she could bring to the story. I suppose I'll just have to wait and see how this relationship progresses.

It's also worth noting that Zoat skipped over the date with Jade and just picked up the morning later (Unless they just went straight to Jades house after the massage). I think all of his other dates showed some romantic bonding while it was just absent here.
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I swear to all the nonexistant gods...every time I hit post reply I get some kind of alert. Nine times out of ten, its someone replying to something I said and now I can't reply right away because I hate having back to back replies. I always worry I'll get docked for spam.

ANYWAY.

To each their own. I didn't really enjoy the Jade segments, mostly because I've never heard of her before YJ, but it was a good showing of Paul's non-face punching heroics. But I'm still going to have to label her boring.

That is however, not a shot at Zoat or an attempt to sway him to make changes. So don't mistake my comments for some sort of saber rattling. Zoat's gonna Zoat, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

....Unless it lead to the one true Kon Ship. ;)
 
Ragnar said:
It's okay in one side of the story, but both?
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It's not both sides of the story at the same time, at least.

Maxx Crowley said:
Also, don't succubi kill the people they enthrall? I never quite understood the rules.
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That's not a common thread across fantasy stories. Parasites work better if they DON'T kill their hosts, after all.

doug89 said:
I think this is meant to be 'betrayed'?
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No, it's correct; "berated" means "yelled at extensively".
 
Pinklestia said:
OH EL SHE IS A HALF DEMON!

IS THE SAME REASON THEY DON'T WANT JASON BLOOD!
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Jason Blood is about 98% Human. Etrigan is 100% Demon. Assuming that Jeb and Whoever had Blaze in a relatively conventional way (that defies everything the SI knows about the way Demons work) then she would be 50% Demon. Portraying her as 'repentant' would be far easier than doing so for Mr I Evil Etrigan.

PS, where's the heart emoticon?
PPS: Thank you @Coda
doug89 said:
I think this is meant to be 'betrayed'?
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Thank you, corrected.
Maxx Crowley said:
Hera: Okay this was just a flirt but seriously? Queen of the Gods? Granted it has it's own problems with Zeus getting pissed and Hera's own history of leveling VERY nasty curses on people. (She did cause Herakles to murder his own children and most of his brothers after all) Even still, lots of potential there, stories and otherwise. Also? Almost certainly awesome in bed.
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That version almost certainly isn't the one told on Themyscira.
Troia: Has super powers. Can't just be shot in the head. A weaker entry to be sure. But she can paste Jade, and that makes her okay in my book. Given OL's work towards magical studies, and her connection to the Titans, I feel there could be a lot of potential there. Still, I can understand picking asian over blondy. (Love me some oriental men)
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Donna Troy has black hair.
Jirachi47 said:
Lifers? Wha?
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The people who live in the Mountain, whom the SI interacts with every day. As distinct from other team members whom he might only see a couple of times a week.
Rjrulew said:
Harley Quinn's crazy beyond salvation till joker's dead strike one
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Doctor Quinzel hasn't even met Mister Napier.
parnary said:
Yeah, I mean I like Melinoe but she did almost torture someone into insanity because he was being a dickish bureaucrat. *I* might date someone like that (because I hate all bureaucracy with a passion) but the SI wouldn't
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He wasn't a bureaucrat. He was an academic.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
That version almost certainly isn't the one told on Themyscira.
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I imagine not. Of course, the version I read of Herakles getting Hippolyta's belt/girdle was that although he was ready for a fight, the amazons greated him and she offered to hand it over willingly....which pissed Hera off to no end that he was getting an "easy" labor. So she disgused herself as an amazon, told some story about a kidnapping, and then Herc proceeded to kill a whole shitload of them. I imagine that's not the version they/DC us either.

Mr Zoat said:
Donna Troy has black hair.
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Well then who the hell is this?

....Nevermind. Google says that's Cassie Sandsmark. Now I'm all sorts of confused.
 
Personally I'm very confused by the idea that many posters seem to have, that someone's superpoweredness or lack thereof is not only what defines them as a person but the first and foremost thing that anyone should be looking for in a romantic relationship, DCU or otherwise.

For Erissakes, Paul is enlightened. He's not exactly going to care about superficialities, he's going to make his relationship decisions based on factors like who he enjoys spending time with, who he likes to talk to, and who he feels an emotional connection to. And we already know that Jade & Paul are compatible on a personality level. Is it really that surprising that he would be attracted to the same person on two parallel worlds?
 
Maxx Crowley said:
I imagine not. Of course, the version I read of Herakles getting Hippolyta's belt/girdle was that although he was ready for a fight, the amazons greated him and she offered to hand it over willingly....which pissed Hera off to no end that he was getting an "easy" labor. So she disgused herself as an amazon, told some story about a kidnapping, and then Herc proceeded to kill a whole shitload of them. I imagine that's not the version they/DC us either.
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Originally, Hercules lost to the Queen thanks to the magic girdle, seduced it off of her, then enslaved the Amazons. Ares was playing Jiminy Cricket here.

Then Diana met one of her aunts, who told her to ask what really happened.

Herc didn't steal the girdle by trickery, it was given as a lovers gift by the Queen, and the Queen has just let her Amazons assume the worse of Herc all these years.

Considering the Queen and Herc became boyfriend and girlfriend, I know I prefer the option that avoids the Luke and Laura situation.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Cccatching up?"
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Mr Zoat said:
"Ah-. Ssseven?"
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See, here you're trying to show that everyone extends words by her first letter, but extending 'S' is a thing humans do.:p
Mr Zoat said:
Have you watched Red Dwarf? With the objective of keeping David Lister sane and with the whole crew to choose from, Holly resurrected Arnold Rimmer as a hologram.
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Are you comparing your speculative girlfriend to Arnold Rimmer? Please tell me someone is going to ask this question in story :lol
Maxx Crowley said:
I have no respect or interest in normals in a comic book.
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There's a question about Batman here, but otherwise sure, that's an opinion. That said, it's surprisingly common an opinion, and one that confuses me a little: to my thinking superpowers allow stories that otherwise couldn't be told, why does adding them suddenly make normals less interesting, even in situations that don't have anything to do with powers? What strange quirk of the human mind underlies such thoughts? *Ponders*
 
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