With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

Scholar of Time · Jan 18, 2018

RichardWhereat said:
Stated, then continued to do so, and then do so, and everyone else is jumpjng in to say it as well, so as to leave nothing but such a concrete idea of where they stand, that not only is it VS, it seems like a lie.

Nope, not really virtue-signaling - it's not understanding that others have different morality and squick-factors than you do. People of all sorts (mainstream and not) have an hard time understanding that just because you don't like to juggle geese, doesn't mean you're a non-juggling freak; it just means you don't like to juggle geese.

This is especially hard to do with fictional or alternative-universe (depending on your stance) personages, as we try to 'identify with them' as we read. That which breaks that connection, becomes an irritant and bestows a momentary abreaction. It's the "Uncanny Valley" effect at the micro level.

Hestia&theCourt · Jan 18, 2018

RichardWhereat said:
Stated, then continued to do so, and then do so, and everyone else is jumpjng in to say it as well, so as to leave nothing but such a concrete idea of where they stand, that not only is it VS, it seems like a lie.

Errr... what? I'm having severe difficulty parsing this sentence.

Avernus said:
On the other hand he knows her quite well and can probably make a better guess than we can at what she'd find "creepy" or not.

I mean, I was mostly arguing that it's unwise to startle an assassin like that; even if you survive, you'd think they wouldn't be too happy with you afterwards. But apparently Paul does risk assessment very differently from me.

Scholar of Time · Jan 18, 2018

Crimson Doom said:
Errr... what? I'm having severe difficulty parsing this sentence.

I mean, I was mostly arguing that it's unwise to startle an assassin like that; even if you survive, you'd think they wouldn't be too happy with you afterwards. But apparently Paul does risk assessment very differently from me.

Emotional Spirit Voodoo Vision. He has cheat codes.

Trunko · Jan 18, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
"And my inner thighs."

I grin. "Happy to be of service."

What can I say? I'm happy that Zoat finally got a serious relationship. Even more with a character i ship him with.

I'm only a bit sad because, If Paul and Jade relationship continues, there will be no place for Roy in her heart. This means no Lian Harper.

Lian is my favourite cutest DC character of all times. Too bad she's no more in the comics

Avernus · Jan 18, 2018

Crimson Doom said:
I mean, I was mostly arguing that it's unwise to startle an assassin like that; even if you survive, you'd think they wouldn't be too happy with you afterwards. But apparently Paul does risk assessment very differently from me.

It's part of how his character has been changing throughout the story. He himself has noted in-story a few times about how he's become desensitized to what he would have regarded as dangerous or intimidating situations in his pre-ring days.

Funny, despite being in the murder capital of the east coast I'm feeling really good. Confident. Did Kal-El grow up feeling like this? No one here can hurt me.

Krain · Jan 18, 2018

Oh hell yeah, this was great.
Jade is best girl so this is amazing.

ThrawnCA · Jan 18, 2018

zachol said:
Like a non-creepy version of a ninja greeting would be chucking a knife at her face to say hi. That would be fine.

Hmm. Personally I'd rather have a massage than a thrown knife. Less dangerous if I have an off day.

It would be creepy, certainly, for a normal healthy citizen, which I assume you are. I'm not so sure it's creepy for Jade, for whom infiltration is a way of life, who has knives within arm's reach everywhere. Might even be healthy for her to know that sometimes the impostor is friendly.

Plus she already offered him her body before he left, and they took a rain check. So, him massaging her is not necessarily a violation.

MrCogmor · Jan 18, 2018

The_Letter_K said:
Jade, as a trained assassin, probably has different ideas about that sort of thing. She's probably used to people in her life impersonating other people in her life without telling her and then revealing it obnoxiously.

Scholar of Time said:
Context-specific challenges to a mate / friend are acceptable - such as towel snaps in a locker room amongst friends, or hidden "I could have killed you with those practice knives we have" sneak attacks amongst fellow practitioners.

Possibly though rather unlikely in a controlled setting. In the wider world people are not going to be doing mock assassinations because that would be a extremely dumb thing to do against people legitimately afraid for their life.

Jcc10 said:
I was more commenting on the fact that she was not really in a lower power situation at that exact moment.

A knife vs a power ring is no contest.

Jcc10 said:
I mean I would be impressed... Freaked out a bit but definitely impressed.

As long as they can handle rejection well, sounds like a impressive person to go through all that trouble.

Then again the probability of that...

Exactly my point you would be freaked out and concerned because it is abnormal behaviour, is extremely presumptuous. violates civil boundaries and is more of an intimidation tactic than a romantic gesture. Jade may not care much due to her limited experience with healthy relationships and how Paul is still far better than her father but it is still creepy.

zhuull · Jan 18, 2018

RichardWhereat said:
Stated, then continued to do so, and then do so, and everyone else is jumpjng in to say it as well, so as to leave nothing but such a concrete idea of where they stand, that not only is it VS, it seems like a lie.

Or they could legitimately have a problem with it, shocking I know.

But please don't let that stop you from being a pretentious ass and accusing everyone that doesn't immediately agree with you of faking their feelings and trying to score internet points by posting about things they don't actually care about.

That doesn't make you come off as a complete asshole at all. Honest.

Yu3kino · Jan 18, 2018

I will hold faith in my Zatanna and Holly ship. It shall not sink! On another note, I was really hoping he goes with a different girl than jade in paragon since renegade have been dating her for so so long, even though it's (temp?) over now.

Ambit · Jan 18, 2018

I expected this after Zoat rated my post from all the way back in April as insightful yesterday. Kudos for the next-level foreshadowing

ThrawnCA · Jan 18, 2018

MrCogmor said:
Jade may not care much due to her limited experience with healthy relationships and how Paul is still far better than her father but it is still creepy.

On the scale of things that work for some couples and not others, this is pretty tame. I'd hesitate to declare that it's unhealthy for them.

And Jade should at least know the SI well enough by now to know that if she doesn't like it, she should clearly say so.

MrCogmor · Jan 18, 2018

RichardWhereat said:
Why does everyone constantly feel the need to virtue signal? Why not just enjoy the story? He did it, it worked, let's move on.

I expect there are many far easier ways to farm likes than arguing in this thread.

RichardWhereat said:
Stated, then continued to do so, and then do so, and everyone else is jumpjng in to say it as well, so as to leave nothing but such a concrete idea of where they stand, that not only is it VS, it seems like a lie.

Virtue signalling is when a person professes an opinion primarily to increase their status in a group. It refers to stuff like peer pressure or empty platitudes and not reasoned debate.

Scholar of Time · Jan 18, 2018

MrCogmor said:
Possibly though rather unlikely in a controlled setting. In the wider world people are not going to be doing mock assassinations because that would be a extremely dumb thing to do against people legitimately afraid for their life.

A knife vs a power ring is no contest.

Exactly my point you would be freaked out and concerned because it is abnormal behaviour, is extremely presumptuous. violates civil boundaries and is more of an intimidation tactic than a romantic gesture. Jade may not care much due to her limited experience with------ healthy ------* relationships and how Paul is still far better than her father but it is still creepy.

zhuull said:
Or they could legitimately have a problem with it, shocking I know.

But please don't let that stop you from being a pretentious ass and accusing everyone that doesn't immediately agree with you of faking their feelings and trying to score internet points by posting about things they don't actually care about.

That doesn't make you come off as a complete asshole at all. Honest.

Starting to get into actual virtue-signaling now, friends. We all get that you find this disturbing - good for you, you're very non-violent and peaceable and such.

*getting a bit judgy there - healthiness is directly related to functionality in society. Her society revolves around people in spandex shooting lasers from their eyes, or having martial arts skills that let them walk through walls. He's functional, because he's using an understood challenge medium (See "Deep Play", regarding Balinese roosterfighting) to create discursive space. She's functional, because she responded with appropriate force - and didn't immediately kill, as someone in our world should when faced with such a circumstance. There's an understanding that it could be a challenge - a social intimation.

King of Frost · Jan 18, 2018

Crimson Doom said:
...I'm sorry, to what now? Is this equivalent to white-knighting, or...?

I'm not entirely sure if virtue-signaling is the appropriate term here, but it refers to when people pretend to be outraged at something to make themselves seem like a more moral person.

As an example, most of the "journalists" who talk about nothing but how [NEW GAME] is [buzzword] even though they don't know the series or the context behind whatever it is. In this example, they almost certainly don't actually care about it being [buzzword] but need to appear as if they do.

Also like 40% of tumblr posts can be used as a pretty good example too.

MrCogmor · Jan 18, 2018

Scholar of Time said:
*getting a bit judgy there - healthiness is directly related to functionality in society.

I wasn't referring to Paul when I was talking about unhealthy relationships. I was talking about her parents.

ThrawnCA · Jan 18, 2018

MrCogmor said:
A knife vs a power ring is no contest.

He's actually already started her on learning to use the orange light. Would not be surprised at all if that continues.

Admittedly he would still be her superior in the Corps, but that's a different power imbalance and harder to remedy.

Scholar of Time · Jan 18, 2018

MrCogmor said:
I wasn't referring to Paul when I was talking about unhealthy relationships. I was talking about her parents.

Conceded. But her functionality, and his, are still based in the society that those parents forced her to become a part of. Once you're in the circus, you have to navigate circus politics, etc.

EDIT: Ah, a good example - code-switching. It applies to cultural connotation as much as it does to linguistic modality.

Mr Zoat · Jan 18, 2018

Avernus said:
"locked"
That should be "different than" for an American-raised woman; I think "different to" is more of a Britishism.

Thank you, corrected.

zerofarad said:
If you want to be very technically correct, you could change "masseuse" to "masseur" throughout, since Paul and Todd are both male.

It is the best kind of correct.

ThrawnCA said:
Apparently Jade doesn't mind Paul annihilating the Shadows, so long as he's up front about it.

SI Jade is in a very different mental place to Renegade Jade.

mob-owned
using wards:
they do
gone on to realise
she's usually having
an orange-glowing
insects breathe
I thought

Thank you, corrected.

uju32 · Jan 18, 2018

ThrawnCA said:
Plus she already offered him her body before he left, and they took a rain check. So, him massaging her is not necessarily a violation.

This. They are not strangers.
What would be inappropriate with a stranger is par for the course given precisely where they were with regards to each other.
Your college lecturer grabbing you by the waist in lieu of greeting might be inappropriate, a close friend or bedmate doing so is not.

His pranking her is well within the previous bounds they have already set.
Plus, he can see her emotions.

Mr Zoat · Jan 18, 2018

Yu3kino said:
I will hold faith in my Zatanna and Holly ship. It shall not sink! On another note, I was really hoping he goes with a different girl than jade in paragon since renegade have been dating her for so so long, even though it's (temp?) over now.

Zatanna wouldn't be interested, and Holly is happy with Karon.

MrCogmor said:
Virtue signalling is when a person professes an opinion primarily to increase their status in a group. It refers to stuff like peer pressure or empty platitudes and not reasoned debate.

Actually, it's original meaning was as a form of honest communication within a social group where they reinforced genuinely held beliefs. Sadly, no one uses that version any longer.

RichardWhereat · Jan 18, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
Zatanna wouldn't be interested, and Holly is happy with Karon.

Actually, it's original meaning was as a form of honest communication within a social group where they reinforced genuinely held beliefs. Sadley, no one uses that version any longer.

Sadly

And that's probably because they needed a name for the other meaning, and people dont like making up new words, or terms, especially if they can literally coopt another term.

EDIT: For myself, I'd never heard the original meaning.

Cariyaga · Jan 18, 2018

King of Frost said:
I'm not entirely sure if virtue-signaling is the appropriate term here, but it refers to when people pretend to be outraged at something to make themselves seem like a more moral person.

Close, but not quite: Virtue signalling does not require that the person in question be pretending, or doing so intentionally, just that it is done in part to improve one's status

MrCogmor · Jan 18, 2018

Scholar of Time said:
Conceded. But her functionality, and his, are still based in the society that those parents forced her to become a part of. Once you're in the circus, you have to navigate circus politics, etc.

I don't get what you are saying here. It is theoretically possible that there is a social standard where assassins court each other through failed assassinations on each other where the target has to survive (It would be weird and unrealistic but it is a DC universe) but that is not shown in narration. A society that is patriarchal, matriarchal or h other arrangement where one side of a relationship exerts disproportionate power over the other is still unfair. In any case Paul described in narration that it was either a great idea or a terrible one. He didn't know if Jade would be okay with it and did it anyway.

Yu3kino · Jan 18, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
Zatanna wouldn't be interested, and Holly is happy with Karon.

No. I mean Zatanna X Paul ship or Holly X Paul ship, not Zatanna X Holly ship.

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