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I just wrote it. There, are you happy now?

Also, there's QQ.

Did you really?

Remember, mindscapes/alternate timelines/Other!Paul doesn't count. :V

Oh, you wrote filth on QQ? I'm not a member.

Joking aside, I did get some satisfaction out of the whole thing. Tearing the League a new one was...*most* satisfactory. Well done.
 
Except he is. Dox is in charge on paper, but in practicality? It's Paul.
...Have you completely missed the point? That is the key issue here. Dox is SUPPOSED to be in charge practically, not just on paper, Paul TOLD him he was going to be in charge, because he's better at handling an organization than Paul is. But Paul HASN'T been letting Dox do the job he hand-picked him for, for fucks sake.

Dox, right now, has almost no power whatsoever but he's supposed to be in charge of the corps. That's kind of a massive fucking problem. Hell, it is literally the reason Rome fell into civil war.

He's not doing anything because Paul basically hired him to do a specific job, and then ignored everything he said, and proceeded to do the job himself.
 
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So I decided to take two weeks to re-read WTR in its entirety and finished reading the latest update moments ago.

After a year of letting updates build up so I could binge read, you know what disappoints me the most?

Paul *still* hasn't gotten laid yet. (And no, alternate timelines don't *count*)

Zoat still knows how to troll the shippers. :V

At this point, I'd accept a tryst with just about any sentient being to get this need for the SI to do something other than wax imbecilic about how romance trumps sex out of my system. I mean, it *does*, but 65 forum pages later and he hasn't so much as grabbed a butt?

Guess I'll see where we are in another year.

Hey now, there WAS the spider lady.
 
On the one hand, Dox has a point that he's being undermined in his role. On the other, I'm still not sure whatever he brings to the table is worth putting up with his sheer constant dickishness.
 
Well, pre- and post-action, not the actual content, but yes. Took about half as long to write as a normal segment.
Oh, you wrote filth on QQ? I'm not a member.
I think I see what you're doing wrong there.
On the one hand, Dox has a point that he's being undermined in his role. On the other, I'm still not sure whatever he brings to the table is worth putting up with his sheer constant dickishness.
It is, and I'll try and emphasise that in future posts.
Wait what‽

Surely you are joking.
Yes, but I'm also completely serious. You've got a week and a half before you read it.
 
...Have you completely missed the point? That is the key issue here. Dox is SUPPOSED to be in charge practically, not just on paper, Paul TOLD him he was going to be in charge, because he's better at handling an organization than Paul is. But Paul HASN'T been letting Dox do the job he hand-picked him for, for fucks sake.
*siiiigh*

No, I haven't miss the point. Yes, Paul picked Dox. He wanted Dox to run HIS corps. That's what he wanted at the time, and thus has proceeded with that. Here is the problem, what Paul wanted, and what he apparently needs, are two different things it seems.

Another big point, the organization that Brainiac 2 here has, and the one he thinks he should have are two very different things. Which apparently is bothering him, at least as much as he gets bothered. That's not a good thing, the fact it actually does bother him. I mean even if the Orange Lantern Corps thinks that Brainiac is a secretary, so what? Why does that bother him?

Not that it matters, because it does bother him.

But here's the thing, Paul is the one that's been doing all the recruiting, he's done all the training, he's handed out all the Rings, he's been the personal hero to nearly each and every single recruit. He's either save their worlds from tyranny, like Starfire and her sister, or he saved them from a personally terrible fate, like the woman who had her eyes ripped out or the huggie squid.

So it's safe to say that for all practical purposes the Orange Lantern Corps is loyal to Paul. What do they know about Brainiac? Coupled with the fact that he's not a very likeable person, and yes that is important when you're trying to run things. People don't like you? They're not going to listen, no matter how logical and correct your reasoning is. Because most people, aren't run on logic

Dox thinks he's running a military organization, but in reality he's basically got a bunch of independent contractors who are empowered to do what they see proper in their sectors, while adhering to a somewhat loose form of togethership. After all the orange light basically makes it impossible for them to do anything that they don't want to do. Good old Brainiac here thinks they'll be disobedient, but that's not really the case.

It reminds me of pro wrestling, it really does. That was a business where a guy hired basically a bunch of independent contractors, gave him a general outline of what to do because he trusted them to be able to handle it, and then said go out and sell me some tickets. Running that creatively, was the Booker. The booker was the guy that talked to the talent, recruited the talent, got their feedback on things, set up how much they might want to get paid along with the promoter, because he needed to control that.

He was the big picture guy, and he would always have an assistant the little fine detail guy. The one with legible handwriting, who had or who had a better mind for remembering little details and could finesse things out. So basically what you had was the guy, and the guy who helped the guy.

Paul is the Guy, it might not be what he set out to do, but it's what he's doing. As we already know Paul will submit to Authority on paper, after all he listen to everything the Justice League told him, followed Batman and Wonder Woman's orders, and then the second he didn't like something went and did exactly what he wanted to do. The Precedent is already there.

Now, is Dox the guy who helps the guy? Well he could be, but it seems that he doesn't want to be. So he might be the right guy for the job offered, he's the wrong guy for the job that its become.

I'll ask again, can Dox make decisions that Paul vehemently disagrees with? If the answer is no, then he's not in charge. I can see how this can be annoying to him. I've worked in a situation like this before, where we all had a boss, yet we knew who was really in charge. Didn't go well, as a showdown was inevitable.

What you've got here is a Founder of a company, and it's new CEO....who is really in charge? Who are people going to listen to? Go to with their problems and concerns? If they go to Dox, will he take them seriously? Or just go "I'm far more intelligent, and I'm right (and maybe he is) so just do as I say." Will they accept that?

Personally...I think its just a case of what Paul wanted, and what he needed, colliding. He hand picked a guy to do something, and yet we already know that Paul has a very hard time stepping back and letting other people handle things. Particularly if they handle things in a manner that he doesn't like. Remember the partnership with Ted Kord? Paul came to him, introduced all this stuff.....and already has a plan in place to swipe ownership out from under Ted if things don't go the way that HE WANTS.

Is anyone surprised that he's hasn't, and probably won't, just let Dox do whatever? Paul is treating him like a secretary...because that's what Paul actually needs. He need someone to handle the little details and do paperwork.

But Zoat is a different kind of writer then comics, so who knows what's gonna happen.
 
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Probably Jade, then. We're too close to the time for it to be anyone new, and Jade came the closest to actually getting Paul's clothes off.

I was rather rooting for M'gann, myself, but Jade rather grew on me as a character.

I suspect that the only way Paul's clothes are truly going to come off, barring a moment of weakness, is if one of the characters professes a desire to actually be in a romantic relationship with Paul. Which uh, I suppose Zoat just indirectly confirmed.
 
Not knowing about the specific examples you're referring to, were these devices that a substantial portion of wealthy people had, or were they basically one-off devices that were made individually at a large expense? None of the things I listed as requirements for making computers are necessary to make small numbers of expensive computers. Given the designs for one, you could pay a blacksmith to make a typewriter or mechanical calculator. It would just take an enormous amount of time, break more easily, and not impact society as a whole.

It's similar to the SI's speech on human technological advancement that he gave a long time ago. Sure, there have been a few things made well before their time like Greek steam engines or Viking steel. They just never impacted society because they couldn't be economically and consistently produced.
The first example I described was the Antikythera Mechanism, which was sufficiently complex in its construction and sufficiently detailed in its user interface to demonstrate that such a device was the culmination of a tradition of engineering. There's not sufficient surviving material to know exactly what preceded it, but it happened a good 1600 years before the revival of mechanical innovation in Europe.

The digital design in AD 2 was also Greek, and it was a meaningful enough description that, even though we have no record that the Greeks ever built it, Blaise Pascal was able to use the notes to build a working calculation device. Pascal went on to build many more devices that did indeed see pretty noteworthy adoption.

The digital data storage was the Bouchon loom, which introduced the punched cards that continued to be used throughout the history of computing until the 1970s. If that's not influential, I don't know what is.

The 1844 telecommunications example was the printing telegraph invented by Royal E. House. It's basically an early daisy-wheel printer, invented over a century before such things would be used as output devices for electronic computers. It didn't see as broad of adoption as the one-bit Morse telegraph, but it was successful enough that Morse actually filed a patent infringement lawsuit against them (and lost). By 1877 a descendant of this technology was being used extensively in France, and it spread to Britain and beyond after that.

All of the devices I listed were expensive, yes, but they weren't so expensive as to be exclusively bespoke; they were produced at meaningful scale. If the ancient Greeks hadn't had their heads stuck in the idea that science was too pure to be put in the hands of the people who performed manual labor, we could have had crank-driven computing technology before we had steam-powered transportation.
 
Personally...I think its just a case of what Paul wanted, and what he needed, colliding. He hand picked a guy to do something, and yet we already know that Paul has a very hard time stepping back and letting other people handle things. Particularly if they handle things in a manner that he doesn't like. Remember the partnership with Ted Kord? Paul came to him, introduced all this stuff.....and already has a plan in place to swipe ownership out from under Ted if things don't go the way that HE WANTS.
Yes. Exactly. That's why Dox is mad. Because Paul isn't letting him do jack shit, and it's as if he doesn't need to be there at all, and him being there is actively working counter to his original goals.

So don't tell Dox to go fuck himself, tell Paul to go fuck himself, because this entire situation is 100% his fault. You don't know why Dox is here? Well neither does fucking Dox, and that's what has him so pissed off!

The reason I asked if you missed the point is that you're upset with the wrong character.
 
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All of the devices I listed were expensive, yes, but they weren't so expensive as to be exclusively bespoke; they were produced at meaningful scale. If the ancient Greeks hadn't had their heads stuck in the idea that science was too pure to be put in the hands of the people who performed manual labor, we could have had crank-driven computing technology before we had steam-powered transportation.
Amusingly, I've got an episode coming up at some point about a timeline where someone got hold of Greek-tech and used it.
Yes. Exactly. That's why Dox is mad. Because Paul isn't letting him do jack shit, and it's as if he doesn't need to be there at all, and him being there is actively working counter to his original goals.

So don't tell Dox to go fuck himself, tell Paul to go fuck himself, because this entire situation is 100% his fault. You don't know why Dox is here? Well neither does fucking Dox, and that's what has him so pissed off!
Dox is actually doing quite a lot. The algorithm that selected the first batch of trainees was his design, and he's still picking Lanterns off-page who are perfectly capable. The plans for unifying the peripheral zones in a mutual defence pact and for building a fleet to make that work, that's all Dox. There are about thirty Orange Lanterns at the moment. There are about thirty thousand people already working on ship construction and training to man them. Dox doesn't just run the Corps, he runs the fleet as well.
 
like, yeah man.

Hey, remember that one episode where they hooked Geordie's visor up to the Enterprise's main view screen so they could see what was going on during away missions? Remember how it never happened again?
Sadly, too many of tne excellent innovations that they use are never seen again. Hopefully that Data SI has it on lock though. Hidden shoulder cameras for all away team members.
 
Yes. Exactly. That's why Dox is mad. Because Paul isn't letting him do jack shit, and it's as if he doesn't need to be there at all, and him being there is actively working counter to his original goals.

So don't tell Dox to go fuck himself, tell Paul to go fuck himself, because this entire situation is 100% his fault. You don't know why Dox is here? Well neither does fucking Dox, and that's what has him so pissed off!

The reason I asked if you missed the point is that you're upset with the wrong character.
Actually, Paul is just doing his job

He made it clear to Dox that the plan was for him to focus on the actual running for the organisation and the planning during the war with the reach because that's what he's best at: Planning

On the other hand OL's part was to deal with the recruitment and training of new lanterns and leading them in the field, because he has the most experience

The major conflict here is that Dox's main purpose in the Corps isn't needed yet and as a result most of the Lanterns probably don't even realise he's in charge yet. Plus he doesn't yet fully appreciate the effects of using an Orange Power Ring and treats it like a normal weapon and by extension treats the OLC as a conventional military as opposed to complex organisation that it has to be
 
Sadly, too many of tne excellent innovations that they use are never seen again. Hopefully that Data SI has it on lock though. Hidden shoulder cameras for all away team members.
Can we get a link to that? It sounds interesting.
No, Kalmin's been busy.
Wouldn't that be the sort of thing that could be deligated to any Orange Lantern with a craft hobby?

Edit: to be clear, i was mostly talking about the basic structure where they basically replace everything but the eyebrows with hardened structures. I figure that it might have come up in conversation when talking about eye replacements, and their view in different cultures, as a way to help emotionally.

Edit: to be honest, i just thought that it would be nice to see her hearing about these people who replaced their eyes as a matter of course in what they do, and then going "i want eyes like those guys.".
 
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Actually, Paul is just doing his job

He made it clear to Dox that the plan was for him to focus on the actual running for the organisation and the planning during the war with the reach because that's what he's best at: Planning

On the other hand OL's part was to deal with the recruitment and training of new lanterns and leading them in the field, because he has the most experience

The major conflict here is that Dox's main purpose in the Corps isn't needed yet and as a result most of the Lanterns probably don't even realise he's in charge yet. Plus he doesn't yet fully appreciate the effects of using an Orange Power Ring and treats it like a normal weapon and by extension treats the OLC as a conventional military as opposed to complex organisation that it has to be
cant wait for that to bite him
 
you guys ever considered Dox is just annoyed that his nice neat front that he was building just got a MASSIVE new Section he has to guard?

also that he's miffed at the logistics involved and Short term investment? And that, rather than being sympathetic to the headache created. Paul is just "look at long term" and "heres some more concerns for you to deal with you may not have considered" when Dox just does not want to hear it at that exact moment.

if it is such a case, i imagine dox walking back to his office and doing this:

 
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So Paul's going back to Earth. Wonder if he's had someone make a new Green Lantern for Alan yet, or a Blue one with a matching Ring if he'd rather not risk pissing off the Guardians.
 
you guys ever considered Dox is just annoyed that his nice neat front that he was building just got a MASSIVE new Section he has to guard?

also that he's miffed at the logistics involved and Short term investment? And that, rather than being sympathetic to the headache created. Paul is just "look at long term" and "heres some more concerns for you to deal with you may not have considered" when Dox just does not want to hear it at that exact moment.

if it is such a case, i imagine dox walking back to his office and doing this:


I find myself reminded of that Red to Orange mantra, but yeah, i can see where he's coming from.

Also, i found that funnier then i probably should have.
 
So, todays episode is about picking up that green battery from the weaponeer and one of the sisters, and then heading home?
 
also that he's miffed at the logistics involved and Short term investment? And that, rather than being sympathetic to the headache created. Paul is just "look at long term" and "heres some more concerns for you to deal with you may not have considered" when Dox just does not want to hear it at that exact moment.

if it is such a case, i imagine dox walking back to his office and doing this:
Dox thinks fast enough that he can do that internally without having to go to his office. That's what those single red letters are. ;)
 
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