With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

SaltyWaffles · Jan 8, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
"That…" She half turns in the air, looking down to where Lantern Taranna is laughing as one of Ratchet's people decides that she's looking down and therefore needs a hug. "Doesn't matter. My daughter is, and that does."

Is Lantern Taranna her daughter? She's a Lantern now, too? How'd that happen?

"No, I understand." She nods decisively. "And once my country is stabilised in a way that is not evil, I will return here to aid you." She smiles demurely. "My daughter is quite taken with the Princesses."

"I thought that they might serve as positive role models." I lean slightly to my left. "And she also appears to be quite taken with-."

Coutara's face sobers. "I will be chastising them both for behaving so in public momentarily."

I'm confused with this part. Who is she also quite taken with, what did they do that is worth chastising them for, and how did Paul find out about this?

Mr Zoat · Jan 8, 2018

SaltyWaffles said:
Is Lantern Taranna her daughter?

Yes.

She's a Lantern now, too?

Yes.

How'd that happen?

The SI gave her a ring, reasoning that someone who had just had her eyes gouged out would be exceedingly well motivated.

I'm confused with this part. Who is she also quite taken with, what did they do that is worth chastising them for, and how did Paul find out about this?

Ratchet's colleague. Who was mentioned as enveloping her a little before that. The Si found out because it was happening right in front of him.

Coda · Jan 8, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
He heads towards the edge of the gantry and stands ramrod straight, hands behind his back.

Mr Zoat said:
I walk up beside him and lean on the railing.

This is a good description. I can visualize this scene. I like it.

Mr Zoat said:
She performs her people's version of a salute, both hands rising to obscure her eye sockets.

So is this the "see no evil" gesture?

HanEmpire said:
How accurate is Dox's mental profile on the SI?

The SI doesn't know.

(I recognize I've been ninja'd.)

Monshroud · Jan 8, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
Right then. I.. guess I'm going back to Earth.

Yay!

Can't wait to see how Kon has developed so many months after receiving his blessing from Helios!

Considering one of the core traits and pursuits of Magic/Alchemy is the transformation and perfection of the self, one can only imagine what sort of improvements our favorite demi-kryptonian has undergone during Paul's absence!

Fingers are crossed for increased musculature, and an awkward comment from Paul regarding said delightful gains!

Lord knows Kon hears enough as is back "home".

HIPPOLYTA: I'm afraid that young Prince Kon will, ah, not be attending Dionysia on Themyscria this year-

THEMYSCIRANS: BOOOOO!

HIPPOLYTA: For I'm afraid that "some" of our sisters have taken to making inappropriate passes towards, and eyeing my grandson, seemingly in anticipation of the "festivities" to come, so its for the best that the Prince celebrates in Man's World for the time being. Apparently, a more tempered version of Lord Dionysus' holiday is celebrated by "modern" hellenists, so there's that.

jonasquinn · Jan 8, 2018

When you think about it, it kinda only make sense that most members of the corps think of Paul as their leader considering the division of responsibilities between him and Dox

Dox is supposed to be in charge of strategy and long term planning for the war whilst Paul is in charge of the recruitment, training and to some degree monitoring the mental states of new Lanterns and since the war hasn't even really started yet the majority of Lanterns might only have interacted with Dox superficially

Empiricist2 · Jan 8, 2018

So when discussing defenses for Earth against alien fleets, the SI mentioned that he could make orange battery powered defense platforms once he returned from Maltus. Is the SI able to make those now? In the sense of is he able to manufacture personal lanterns or some other device to produce orange energy, and has his tech database been updated to include Maltusian technology?

The_Letter_K · Jan 8, 2018

crepusculum said:
...
That is just mean. No confirmation either way of whether or not Natu joined up or not. Probably not since them going cybernetics rather then them being all fixed up via her waving her ring at them and wanting them healed.

Not aimed at you specifically, but it amazes me that people still comment on stuff like this. This is Zoat's MO. I fully expect, in thirty years, for him to be one update away from a satisfying conclusion to the whole story, and instead he just disappears from the internet, never to be heard from again.

(Although thirty years may be optimistic)
((Still love you, though, Zoat))

Pinklestia · Jan 8, 2018

shepsquared said:
Dude, Match becomes Bizarro if not fixed. He shows up like that in a tie in comic

Tie in comics are not exactly canon.

I think the original idea was for Match to die like one of the early bizarros.

Then again Young Justice is based on lies "Superheroes being new" and "Wonder Woman being active as a superhero for decades" is not the same thing.

So who knows?

Coda · Jan 8, 2018

Pinklestia said:
Then again Young Justice is based on lies "Superheroes being new" and "Wonder Woman being active as a superhero for decades" is not the same thing.

Superheroes recently becoming a well-known part of public life isn't incompatible with superheroes having been active for decades. It went from some obscure team that's only really known for specific military activities to suddenly there being a lot of vigilantes active in cities around the world addressing civilian crime problems.

Pinklestia · Jan 8, 2018

Coda said:
Superheroes recently becoming a well-known part of public life isn't incompatible with superheroes having been active for decades. It went from some obscure team that's only really known for specific military activities to suddenly there being a lot of vigilantes active in cities around the world addressing civilian crime problems.

That doesn't fit with Wonder Woman fighting nazis in WWII because if the newspapers didn't mention that it would be ridiculous.

We could argue there was no superteams for decades after the JSA disbanded and that would fit more with what was seen in the show.

Not so much superheroes being "new" but having faded from public view until tne JLA became a thing.

Coda · Jan 8, 2018

Pinklestia said:
That doesn't fit with Wonder Woman fighting nazis in WWII because if the newspapers didn't mention that it would be ridiculous.

It totally fits. I think you didn't read what I said. Yes, it got reported on, but that was a military operation taking place overseas, not vigilante superpowered crimefighting.

GilliamYaeger · Jan 8, 2018

Coda said:
It totally fits. I think you didn't read what I said. Yes, it got reported on, but that was a military operation taking place overseas, not vigilante superpowered crimefighting.

Yeah, it's a bit like calling, I dunno, Danger 5 superheroes.

Firlz · Jan 8, 2018

Empiricist2 said:
This is kind of an awkward thing to say to an alien. Something like "Only a century after their industrial revolution" or "Barely into their digital era" would be more sensible.

it's not entirely clear that alien civs have the same progression tree we do. It all seems like a logical order for us, but given alternative physiologies it could be entirely practical for some civs to deal with digital tech before industrial tech. Because programming/logic systems don't necessarily have THAT much to do with mechanical/physical systems in terms of tech tree necessities. Particularly if they are like Green Man where direct interface is possible.

I suspect what you saw there was actually just "unreliable narrator"-ing, where you 'heard' what paul said, and because you are a human speaking english it translated to "late nineteen hundreds in the first-world" because that is your local equivalent to his meaning. Had you been some other species it would have translated differently. Heck, if you had been a HUMAN from some tribe that has not yet been discovered, it might not translate at ALL for lack of an equivalent/comparable set of concepts (assuming it translates literally-ish). It MIGHT just translate as "subjectively primitive technologically compared to current epoch, despite not necessarily having been that long ago in terms of time, but still with notable advances that are not entirely trivial"

LazySloth13 · Jan 8, 2018

Is it weird that I can imagine the reason why the Orange Lantern Corps nearly destroy everything in the future is due to infighting caused by corps members fighting who would they rather follow, Paul who is more personable and doesn't mind dealing with the small stuff often overlooked or ignored, or Vril who is distant but focused on planets and groups as a whole in danger of being under the Reach's control.

Especially when Paul leaves to spend time on Earth giving almost total control to Vril, along with several others who are interested in visiting Earth or can help further Earth's progress.

Despite their roles being leader and subordinate Paul has shown to has some skills in leaderships and managing others, along with his growing mastery of the Orange light, that any orders Vril issues could inadvertantly be second guessed since they would look to Paul first for his support and consent.

Plus due to his own upbringing Vril probably couldn't explain or give his own point of view without coming off as a rude or confrontational. Paul did promise him a leadership role, with a few stipulations, and delivered but every little flaw causes him to question wether or not his role is as promised and he isn't being used to poorly to further someone else own designs.

Mr Zoat · Jan 8, 2018

RichardWhereat said:
Aren't you the Tillettitian Government?

That's deep, man.

Well, she's not wrong. Geordie and Data had a sweet deal.

Hey, remember that one episode where they hooked Geordie's visor up to the Enterprise's main view screen so they could see what was going on during away missions? Remember how it never happened again?

ThrawnCA said:
I don't know whether Black Lanterns or Darkseid are creepier. Probably Darkseid is a greater actual threat, but Black Lanterns win on sheer horror.

Black Lanterns really weren't creepy. I don't think they really fooled anyone for any length of time. Aside from Captain Boomerang 2, but he'd suffered character decay at that point.

Lots of evil on this page.

And that's the way I like it! Because the alternative is a page full of spelling correc-oh.

leaps past
post-joining improvement:
fight beside him
just beside him
the water's edge
look forward to

Thank you, corrected.

Seems redundant.

How so?

What you mean is:
Ophidian'sEyes
I thought
A pile... sits under it
and gives a
one to practise
to either them or me
just then
Billy hadn't been added to the telepathic network yet.
been practicing
M'gann would use the American spelling.
Singular vs plural disagreement
Zatara's
that anything other than oblivion awaited him
either side could help the other
Solomon
What are you doing?!

Thank you, corrected.

Is he allowed to think this?

Yes.

Nooot sure
I can't see a way to drag out a hard consonant. "Not...sure" would also work.

It's a sort of hissing sound.

John gives
what I always do:

Thank you, corrected.

How can I work with someone like him?!

She wasn't asking it as a question.

Main room?
what we thought was there:
This seems like rather odd phrasing.
Needs just one verb.

Thank you, corrected.

Empiricist2 · Jan 8, 2018

Firlz said:
it's not entirely clear that alien civs have the same progression tree we do. It all seems like a logical order for us, but given alternative physiologies it could be entirely practical for some civs to deal with digital tech before industrial tech. Because programming/logic systems don't necessarily have THAT much to do with mechanical/physical systems in terms of tech tree necessities.

It's true that a species' knowledge of theory of computation could be dramatically different from our own advancement, but I have a hard time believing that their ability to make computers would be out of order compared to IRL progression. You're not going to be making complicated computers, mechanical or electrical, without the ability to power them cheaply, produce high purity metals and other materials, do precise machining, or have enough of an intellectual labor force that replacing them with expensive computers is economical. If most of your labor force is dedicated to growing food, making it easier for some people to do math isn't particularly valuable compared to making an engine capable of plowing fields.

Edit: The only way I can't think of that a species could enter the digital age before the industrial is if they have some form of telekinesis or matter manipulation that obviates things like steam engines for power, industrial metal shaping, or machines for mining metal ore. Then they would spend so little time on physical tasks, and innately have the same capabilities of industrial machines, that developing computers first makes sense. But I don't think those innate abilities are common in the universe.

Gantradies · Jan 8, 2018

HanEmpire said:
How accurate is Dox's mental profile on the SI?

and how much of it is massively skewed due to being based off assumptions about NORMAL human mental characteristics, and his apparent wilful ignorance of how emotional-spectrum power rings OPERATE? >.<

ive got my misgivings about the guy- i dont really think he's likely to go full starscream,
but giving someone who's spent their entire life desperately repressing their emotions (and until VERY recently, was being surgically tortured 24/7 for an vauge but undoubtedly Long time period), and focusing on being cold and LOGICAL, the job of managing a superpowered army who LITERALLY run OFF a specific, strong emotion is....well.....
i mean, its not like Spock or Faize (star ocean: the last hope) were shining examples of stability under severe stress....

Coda · Jan 8, 2018

Empiricist2 said:
It's true that a species' knowledge of theory of computation could be dramatically different from our own advancement, but I have a hard time believing that their ability to make computers would be out of order compared to IRL progression. You're not going to be making complicated computers, mechanical or electrical, without the ability to power them cheaply, produce high purity metals and other materials, do precise machining, or have enough of an intellectual labor force that replacing them with expensive computers is economical. If most of your labor force is dedicated to growing food, making it easier for some people to do math isn't particularly valuable compared to making an engine capable of plowing fields.

I dunno. It was almost out of order on Earth Prime. We were designing and building mechanical analog computers as early as the 2nd century BC.

We designed digital mechanical calculators in AD 2 and built them in 1642. We had mechanical RAM in 1672.

We had digital data storage in 1725 that could control machines.

We had digital telecommunications before we had voice -- you could type a message in New York and have it printed out in Washington DC as early as 1844. We had intercontinental wireless digital communication in 1897: still in the 19th century here!

So it really isn't out of the question that a civilization could have developed computing technology while agriculture was still being done with draft animals. I think the point you're missing in your analysis is that computing is driven not by a desire to do math, but a desire to perform commerce and trade, and that's something that starts being valuable very early in any civilization.

ThrawnCA · Jan 8, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
How so?

First it says he remained behind when he should have disappeared, then it says he should have disappeared but didn't.

Mr Zoat · Jan 8, 2018

ThrawnCA said:
First it says he remained behind when he should have disappeared, then it says he should have disappeared but didn't.

Ah. Thank you, corrected.

Jcc10 · Jan 8, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
I wince. "I.. am her line manager. She does.. strictly speaking.. report to me."

"The entire Corps believes that I am your secretary. That is not what I agreed to."

"Alright. What would you like me to do about it?"

There are many different pitfalls a leader can fall into and Dox needs to understand that if everyone is looking to Paul for help then that means He is a bad leader and needs to work on that. Ask for tips. Not ask for Paul to leave and quit undermining him.

If he were to go around and act like a leader by talking to his subordinates then he can proceed from there. Dox is only going to gain dislike since he will likely just openly say that he asked Paul to go home for a while the first time anyone asks him where Paul went.

Things will be interesting when he comes back.

Maxx Crowley · Jan 8, 2018

You know...I'm just going to say it. Go fuck yourself Dox. Then, take a pause, stretch, and fuck yourself some more. Afterwards, stop, take a shower, have some juice, and then go fuck yourself.

Gah...I had so many other things I wanted to be mad about today. So many quoted posts that I now don't care about. So what's your problem Dox? Not getting your 12th level intellect boi tush (editing myself) pampered enough? Newsflash Brainiac...just being the smartest guy in the room doesn't get you respect, or as those snippets of red lead me to believe, reverence. Paul is out there bringing hope, smashing tyrannical empires while recruiting and rescuing like a mofo.

What are you doing? Sitting on your ass eating some crisps? Why should anyone care about you? Sure you're the smartest asshole in the room...but most of what people might notice is the asshole part.

I literally do not know why you are here. Even when I know the reasoning behind you being here, don't get why YOU are here.

Huttj said:
Paul took a secondary position on purpose.

He did, and I think is what he certainly wanted when he thought of founding the corps, and it was still in his mind when he came to space but...is it still what he wants? I think OL doesn't believe himself capable of running the corps, which could be truth, but I think that what he wants, and what he needs, are two different things.

Even when he was first jotting his plans down, and talking about it with Artemis, he was saying "who to run MY corps." I really do think that's telling. Not the corps, not the corps I hope to found, but MY corps.

TheLurker said:
when he isn't

Except he is. Dox is in charge on paper, but in practicality? It's Paul. The real question is....can Dox make decisions that Paul utterly disagrees with, and still have them happen? Not the whole "Oh, I disagree, but your reasoning has convinced me to try" more like (even if it doesn't come up) Dox makes a decision that Paul abhors completely...I dunno like...putting chips into all the Lanterns so that their desires align with his for pure efficiency or something. (Silly yes, but I'm still sick)

Because if he can not do that. Then he is NOT in charge.

fictionfan said:
Paul is honestly treating him like a secretary.

Because he kinda is? Or at least that's kind of what Paul actually needs. Granted Paul is stepping back now, but in line with what I said up there, what happens if Dox orders a Lantern to do something, but it isn't something that they want to do (so they literally can't) and they appeal to Paul. Let's say Paul agrees with the Lantern (He'll probably try to mediate) but...what happens then?

Fandom Flux said:
I can see Dox causing/having some problems down the line

Were this a comic book I'd agree. But Zoat tends to nicely flout convention. I'm more hoping Dox just resigns like what's her name, the challenger of the unknown survivor?

Empiricist2 said:
they know that the SI recruited him and trusts him, so he can't be bad at his job

The hilarious thing about that is, all his authority still comes from Paul.

Zephyrus · Jan 8, 2018

So I decided to take two weeks to re-read WTR in its entirety and finished reading the latest update moments ago.

After a year of letting updates build up so I could binge read, you know what disappoints me the most?

Paul *still* hasn't gotten laid yet. (And no, alternate timelines don't *count*)

Zoat still knows how to troll the shippers.

At this point, I'd accept a tryst with just about any sentient being to get this need for the SI to do something other than wax imbecilic about how romance trumps sex out of my system. I mean, it *does*, but 65 forum pages later and he hasn't so much as grabbed a butt?

Guess I'll see where we are in another year.

Empiricist2 · Jan 8, 2018

Coda said:
I dunno. It was almost out of order on Earth Prime. We were designing and building mechanical analog computers as early as the 2nd century BC.

We designed digital mechanical calculators in AD 2 and built them in 1642. We had mechanical RAM in 1672.

We had digital data storage in 1725 that could control machines.

We had digital telecommunications before we had voice -- you could type a message in New York and have it printed out in Washington DC as early as 1844. We had intercontinental wireless digital communication in 1897: still in the 19th century here!

So it really isn't out of the question that a civilization could have developed computing technology while agriculture was still being done with draft animals. I think the point you're missing in your analysis is that computing is driven not by a desire to do math, but a desire to perform commerce and trade, and that's something that starts being valuable very early in any civilization.

Not knowing about the specific examples you're referring to, were these devices that a substantial portion of wealthy people had, or were they basically one-off devices that were made individually at a large expense? None of the things I listed as requirements for making computers are necessary to make small numbers of expensive computers. Given the designs for one, you could pay a blacksmith to make a typewriter or mechanical calculator. It would just take an enormous amount of time, break more easily, and not impact society as a whole.

It's similar to the SI's speech on human technological advancement that he gave a long time ago. Sure, there have been a few things made well before their time like Greek steam engines or Viking steel. They just never impacted society because they couldn't be economically and consistently produced.

Mr Zoat · Jan 8, 2018

Zephyrus said:
Paul *still* hasn't gotten laid yet.

I just wrote it. There, are you happy now?

Also, there's QQ.

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