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I believe you. Unlike most, I don't feel drugs are ever required to experience wonder. I've had it more then once. One time when I went scuba diving while in Hawaii, with the clearest, cleanest water I've ever seen. I pretty much weighed myself down, and sat on the ocean floor for about, I dunno, 20-30 minutes, and it was amazing how much wildlife just came right up to me.

I also got to watch Hubble in an IMax theater. Amazing.

Required? No. Beneficial? Definitely.

I imagine drugs could definitely be beneficial for some power ring users... LSD for white and maybe blue, MDMA for violet, indigo and probably white too, DPH, Datura or even Salvia for Yellow (though good luck using your ring for anything productive on any of those), maybe amphetamines for green... can't see any drug that could boost orange or red though. And I HOPE there's none for Black... maybe some neurotoxin that targets receptors important for pleasure, like 4-CA or 4-chlorophenylalanine? Long term, regular use of MDMA could probably do it too. Benzodiazepines might be able to prevent the green weakening effects of yellow light, but I suspect they'd also weaken your ability to channel the green light themselves, but maybe not at very low doses.

Of course, depending on the drug, being intoxicated while using a power ring could be a bad idea. Low dose LSD should be fine for white, though.
 
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maybe amphetamines for green
Speaking from prescription experience, it works for the job, but it takes careful balancing, because too high of a dose makes it transform from willpower into impulsiveness. One time recently I forgot I had taken my morning dose and took another one, and my head was ALL OVER THE PLACE for the rest of the day. I was diving into stuff that had nothing to do with what I should have been doing.

can't see any drug that could boost orange or red though
There are plenty of drugs that cause a shortened temper. Anabolic steroids are notorious for this ("roid rage").

Orange... harder, yeah. That's usually more a side effect of a substance abuse lifestyle than it is of any specific drug.

Adderall IS amphetamines.

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And I HOPE there's none for Black...
Lots of psychiatric medications can have side effects that include loss of pleasure in normal activities and even suicidal ideation. There's a reason you have to have a licensed psychiatrist to monitor you with new prescriptions.
 
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In Blackest Night Scarecrow had been exposed to so much of his own Fear Toxin/Gas that it inhibited his ability to feel anything else which supposedly made him less of a target to black lanterns/lantern rings since they couldn't harvest him for his emotional light. I imagine a yellow lantern exposing themselves or others to fear gas would be especially powerful or effective if to fear felt could be used to empower their yellow light constructs, then just find some other DC known super drug that translate well for the other lantern colors.
 
Speaking from prescription experience, it works for the job, but it takes careful balancing, because too high of a dose makes it transform from willpower into impulsiveness. One time recently I forgot I had taken my morning dose and took another one, and my head was ALL OVER THE PLACE for the rest of the day. I was diving into stuff that had nothing to do with what I should have been doing.

I don't have a ton of experience with amphetamines (I do have a little, but they're not something I use often), but I would tend to agree with all of this. Would depend on the amphetamine too; some are a lot more functional than others, and I suspect only the functional ones would be useful for green light. Amphetamine, 2-fluoroamphetamine or phenmetrazine (not technically an amphetamine, but very close, structurally), sure, meth, 4-fluoroamphetamine or most of the cathinones (again, not amphetamines, but very close structurally), probably not.

Orange... harder, yeah. That's usually more a side effect of a substance abuse lifestyle than it is of any specific drug.

And even that, it wouldn't be productive for increasing Orange power; you'd be more easily able to use the orange light to make drugs, sure, but I don't think it would just improve general ability to desire. Can't speak from experience there though; I've managed to never become more than mildly addicted to any drug.

Lots of psychiatric medications can have side effects that include loss of pleasure in normal activities and even suicidal ideation. There's a reason you have to have a licensed psychiatrist to monitor you with new prescriptions.

This is only ever as a rare side effect though, not typically something you can reliably produce, otherwise they wouldn't really be prescribed.

In Blackest Night Scarecrow had been exposed to so much of his own Fear Toxin/Gas that it inhibited his ability to feel anything else which supposedly made him less of a target to black lanterns/lantern rings since they couldn't harvest him for his emotional light. I imagine a yellow lantern exposing themselves or others to fear gas would be especially powerful or effective if to fear felt could be used to empower their yellow light constructs, then just find some other DC known super drug that translate well for the other lantern colors.

Good point. I was more talking about real drugs, though.
 
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And even that, it wouldn't be productive for increasing Orange power; you'd be more easily able to use the orange light to make drugs, sure, but I don't think it would just improve general ability to desire. Can't speak from experience there though; I've managed to never become more than mildly addicted to any drug.
You'd think, but studies show that substance abusers are more likely to become general hoarders than non-abusers.

This is only ever as a rare side effect though, not typically something you can reliably produce, otherwise they wouldn't really be prescribed.
Not reliably with drugs that are marketed as antidepressants, naturally. The ones that cause the side effect more commonly never make it past early trials. But if you really wanted to try, there's a lot of useful precursors to start researching from to invent one.
 
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For the more mentally destabilizing colors you don't really want a drug that intensifies their associated emotion; that just makes the problem worse. Larfleeze-in-a-pill isn't something any Orange Lantern should take if they want to stay out of the Blue Cells.
 
You'd think, but studies show that substance abusers are more likely to become general hoarders than non-abusers.
Hmm, didn't know that. Maybe it could work, though.

Not reliably with drugs that are marketed as antidepressants, naturally. The ones that cause the side effect more commonly never make it past early trials. But if you really wanted to try, there's a lot of useful precursors to start researching from to invent one.

The issue is that I'm not sure we know EXACTLY why these drugs produce those effects. Some digging could probably find the rejected ones most likely too, though, and you COULD definitely work from there. The most likely explanation I can think of is serotonin receptor downregulation, so high doses of a drug that antagonizes ALL of the serotonin receptors might work. Or just a serotonergic neurotoxin like 4-CA. Probably throw in a dopamine antagonist too. And maybe a mu-opioid antagonist?

For the more mentally destabilizing colors you don't really want a drug that intensifies their associated emotion; that just makes the problem worse. Larfleeze-in-a-pill isn't something any Orange Lantern should take if they want to stay out of the Blue Cells.

True; small, temporary increases to avarice could maybe be useful, but it'd be a slippery slope with orange light. Maybe something that decreases or stabilizes avarice could be more useful. A little like the blue cells, but weaker, so you can still USE the ring, just not quite as well. Benzodiazepines maybe? In my experience with benzodiazepines, they tend to cause a feeling of contentment, of not really needing or strongly wanting anything, just being happy to even just sit there. That's pretty much the opposite of avarice. And the ring could keep you from becoming addicted or having your receptors downregulate in response; as long as you want to remain unaddicted and want to have fully functional GABA receptors, you should be fine.

As for the other unstable colors, the same thing applies.
 
For the more mentally destabilizing colors you don't really want a drug that intensifies their associated emotion; that just makes the problem worse. Larfleeze-in-a-pill isn't something any Orange Lantern should take if they want to stay out of the Blue Cells.

And look at how... mentally inflexible the Guardians ended up straight-out mainlining the Green Light.
I mean, I could see potential benefits, but it's be really easy to slip up- you wouldn't wanna be ornary/extra stubborn going into diplomatic talks/trying to defuse a hostage situation..
 
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The issue is that I'm not sure we know EXACTLY why these drugs produce those effects. Some digging could probably find the rejected ones most likely too, though, and you COULD definitely work from there. The most likely explanation I can think of is serotonin receptor downregulation, so high doses of a drug that antagonizes ALL of the serotonin receptors might work. Or just a serotonergic neurotoxin like 4-CA. Probably throw in a dopamine antagonist too. And maybe a mu-opioid antagonist?
To be frank we don't understand why MOST drugs have the effects they do. We've got hypotheses based on serum neurotransmitter levels, and those generally suggest the broad strokes of how to construct a drug, but it's totally trial and error in practice -- start with a known-active organic molecule and start substituting atoms or functional groups. Throw it against the wall, see what sticks.
 
Authority (part 20)
22nd August
16:15 GMT


Guy pauses in his battering. "Ah, great. One a' those."

I hit two Qwardians who thought I was distracted enough not to notice them going for their qwa-bolts with cold beams. "Guy, stay away. He can drain-."

"At last!" Ragnar grins. "An equal!"

At least he seems to still be in control of himself. I just wish I was in control of himself. Ragnar charges towards Lantern Duran, who responds by lashing out with his injured arm. A wave of dull green energy surges out from his ring, slamming into Ragnar and beating him back. Ragnar goes flying, his construct armour cracking and failing as he slams into the ground in an uncontrolled hurtle.

"Get up, alien! My sole remaining purpose in life is to humble you and then kill you!"

Ragnar nods as his construct armour knits itself back together. "Better than you have tried!"

Yes, I imagine that teaching him to be humble would be an uphill battle. Ah, okay, if his construct armour still exists at all then anti-green rings don't have the same 'total nullification' effect against orange rings that they do against green ones. He should be able to manage against another rookie for a little while.

"Orange? An interesting choice."

W-? There's a Qwardian face, wearing what looks like a deerstalker hat and with a pair of welding goggles across his eyes.

"Avarice, if I remember correctly. Fortunate for me that you use the same communication system as the Green Lanterns."

Ragnar and Duran engage in a brief beam of war. Ragnar's orange force projection gets battered back, but fortunately he has the sense to get out of the way rather than simply let his enemy's attack strike home. He fires a conventional energy pulse back, which Duran blocks with a construct shield which mimics the one he had during their pit fight.

A qwa-bolt I'd missed narrowly misses Guy before slamming into -and through- a nearby wall, revealing a hole inside. Quick scan… Yes, that's our way down. I fly towards the opening, cold gun constructs taking shots of opportunity. Once we're in the open air, evading qwa-bolts will be a far simpler matter. And assuming that they haven't had any major upgrades we're all faster than Thunderers in the air.

"I had considered using it, but I found that it tended to drive my test subjects insane."

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Chief Weaponer Kalmin, I presume?"

"Not any longer. 'Weaponer' will do fine. Is the Green Lantern of Sector Two Eight One Four with you?"


His head turns around on my ring and he catches sight of Guy dodging and weaving as he uses construct lassos to pull the qwa-blade of one Thunderer into the arm of another. The resulting energy discharge blasts the arm to pieces, burns the armour protecting the Thunderer's side and probably causes all kinds of internal injuries. It also allows Guy to grab the man's severed hand with a construct, said hand still holding his qwa-blade. Guy then uses that to stab at a third Thunderer from odd angles, removing his left leg in a flash of yellow energy.

"No, no one from Two Eight One Four is that creative."

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They are since I've been teaching them. Power rings are tools, not weapons."

"An intelligent attitude. Which is not to say that they don't work perfectly well as weapons."


The handful of Thunderers left are keeping their distance from Guy and I, mostly wanting to keep a solid wall between themselves and us. Could kill them all, but as long as they're suppressed they won't prevent us moving on to our objective. "Guy, ready to leave?"

Guy takes a second to check his surroundings, then generates a green construct demolition charge on the wall above where most of our foes are hiding. "Nearly." I see it as a green blast wave shoots through the wall, causing it to collapse onto our opponents. Trapping them in a way which probably won't kill them. As long as-.

A yellow explosion evaporates a chunk of the debris, and everyone who was underneath it.

As long as none of them were prepping a qwa-bolt. Fortunately, it looks like Guy's ring hasn't registered that as a 'kill'.

Ragnar and Duran are still fighting each other. Duran's added a glaive to his dark green energy bolts while Ragnar parries each shot or swing. Persuading him to break off is going to be difficult.

I raise my ring into a more convenient speaking position. "What's with the weak defences, Kalmin? How are we even alive at the moment?"

"I haven't killed you because you interest me. As for these dullards, you may thank High Weaponlord Varnathon of Q'uldi for their lack of preparedness. And for aliens being allowed on Qward at all."

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I take it that he's a fan of peaceful trading relationships?"

"Bah!"

Sounds like someone I need to support. And I imagine that the Guardians would consider that knowledge to be useful as well. I generate a railgun construct and take aim at Lantern Duran.

Ragnar spots my movement, his eyes widening. "No! This is my fight!"

Damn it. Ragnar turning my way attracted Duran's attention, and a blast from his ring destroys my construct.

Guy's hesitating just in front of the hole. "Hey! Are we-."

"I know!" Turning back to their fight I see Ragnar switch to a one-handed stance with his sword and generate a kite shield for his defence. He uses that to deflect Duran's swing, then slashes at the back of his construct glaive. The glaive shatters, Ragnar tries charging again and Duran-

"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!"

-fires a colossal beam of energy at Ragnar, blasting his shield apart, breaking his construct armour and battering the conventional armour beneath. Duran maintains his attack, slamming Ragnar into the ground and then into a wall as his armour continues to abrade.

Right, transitioning… No, non-functional. Fine. I recreate my railgun and shoot Duran with a crumbler round.

"Guh."

The beam slackens off, giving me the opportunity to stick a harness around the dazed and bleeding Ragnar and drag him towards the exit hole after me.

"Wait, I-." Ragnar breaks my construct in a surge of orange light. "I have nearly beaten him!"

"Ragnar, we've leaving. We have a mission to complete. He'll follow us. Get moving."

Oh, at this point… Guy drops out of sight and I rocket after him, construct boosters adding to my speed as I fly downwards into Qward. If Ragnar dies it'll be awkward, but it's only one of Larfleeze's rings with no added database. I should be able to call it, and even if I can't it's a bearable-.

Ragnar comes through the hole, looking around for me for a moment and then accelerating down while keeping a shield construct above him. Oh, good. Now we just have to-.

"Careful, Lantern. These tunnels aren't undefended."

My ring shows me huge cannons unfolding from the tunnel walls half a mile below us.

"Try to survive. I have a use for you."
 
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Right, transitioning… No, non-functional. Fine. I recreate my railgun and shoot Duran with a crumbler round.

"Guh."

The beam slackens off, giving me the opportunity to stick a harness around the dazed and bleeding Ragnar and drag him towards the exit hole after me.
It hasn't happened yet, but I await the day when the SI's reaction to a hostile Lantern is a Crumbler round immediately followed by some lethal lightspeed weapon, ending the fight right there. Mildly surprised it didn't happen right here, since he doesn't seem to be in the mood to talk the Thunderes down.
 
To be frank we don't understand why MOST drugs have the effects they do. We've got hypotheses based on serum neurotransmitter levels, and those generally suggest the broad strokes of how to construct a drug, but it's totally trial and error in practice -- start with a known-active organic molecule and start substituting atoms or functional groups. Throw it against the wall, see what sticks.
True, but we generally have SOME idea. We generally know what receptor we're targeting, for example. There are certainly a few drugs out there that we just have zero idea why they work, but it's not the norm. I don't really disagree in general, though.

I feel we're both just telling each other what we already know here, though. Do you work in the field, or are you a hobbyist/enthusiast?
 
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