With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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Then we get back to the question of why aren't we calling Zeus a titan, since he was born of titans.Paul- "In point of fact, Kal-El, I don't think that Diana's Human either. Given how she was created, classifying her as a young Titan makes more sense."
If it's inherently about politics, Diana, with Athena as her personal patron, and basically Olympus' champion, wouldn't be a Titan.
If it's about age, Diana, who is thousands of years younger than the Olympians, wouldn't be a Titan.
If it's about power, Diana, who is less powerful than any of the major gods of Olympus, again wouldn't be qualified to be a Titan.
Titans would seem to be innately a different thing than the Gods here.
An alternative would be it's generational.
That makes no sense biologically, but these are the relatives of Zeus who has impregnated women as a goose and a golden shower, and gave birth to his daughter by trying to give himself brain surgery.
But yes, the difference has definitely been politicized.
Krazyfan1
Worrying for the future.
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Zeus: "Me a Titan? Bah, i'm a GOD, i'm much better than any titan"
Dakkan Sall
Random Encounter
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Doesn't seem to be a need the exclamation mark. There was no indication that he was/should be worried or urgent other than having bad timing on when he showed up.
Agreed. And to quote myself from way back when:
Looks like Jade is a distinct romantic possibility after all, and that's a hell of a clue-by-four she just whacked him with.
However... I don't expect that much to happen middling-longish term, though he might be willing to spend the night. Since he's going off into space for an unknown amount of time to unknown locations and circumstances, there's no way that he'd bring along anyone else who doesn't have their own form of personal interstellar flight. He can't/won't give an Orange Power Ring to anyone until a Corp has been set up, Controller-directed or not, so that's off the table even if he was mostly sure that Jade could handle it. So she's staying on Earth, and that is too much of a long-distance relationship for Paul, in line with his previously-displayed reasoning/behavior, to expect or want her to wait for him even if they do get together for this moment.
Still going to wonder/look forward to seeing how this resolves in the short term, because sheesh... Even if it's not the focus of the story by a long shot this kind of thing has just been an ongoing distraction (if an amusing one).
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No - I'd assimilate it, since that has been proven to hold a Lord of Order and thus would have no problems with a Father Box.
Hopefully you have a good reason for him not doing so.
When the hell did anyone get an enhanced amygdala?
I think Darkseid doing it is the only reason that makes sense - considering otherwise everyone in Renegade had a wildly OoC episode and Darkseid was willing to come running whenever Father Box called.
I propose the following...
Titan: Magic animating an inorganic base. (Oceanus is made of water, Diana is made of earth, etc.)
By implication, fire giants and ice giants may be very literally made of 'fire' and 'ice'. Physically, at least.
God: Magic bound into an organic form. (Zeus is not made of lightning, etc.)
Gods seem to sometimes be born of titans, but I am pretty sure they're born the animal way (sex->pregnancy->birth) whereas Titans seem to at least sometimes, maybe always be naturally more of a spell that animates their chosen medium. Gaia is a possible exception but she might include 'flesh' as a valid medium alongside earth and plants... still, she is the best evidence that I am wrong.
New God: An organic form with magic bound to it. Not very different from a God, in theory, but they seem far less prone to 'natural spellcasting' and are confirmed able to operate independent of external magic.
Titan: Magic animating an inorganic base. (Oceanus is made of water, Diana is made of earth, etc.)
By implication, fire giants and ice giants may be very literally made of 'fire' and 'ice'. Physically, at least.
God: Magic bound into an organic form. (Zeus is not made of lightning, etc.)
Gods seem to sometimes be born of titans, but I am pretty sure they're born the animal way (sex->pregnancy->birth) whereas Titans seem to at least sometimes, maybe always be naturally more of a spell that animates their chosen medium. Gaia is a possible exception but she might include 'flesh' as a valid medium alongside earth and plants... still, she is the best evidence that I am wrong.
New God: An organic form with magic bound to it. Not very different from a God, in theory, but they seem far less prone to 'natural spellcasting' and are confirmed able to operate independent of external magic.
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For the same reason dryads, who are daughters of Gaea, are not gods or titans - arcane lifeforms are capable of cross-species propagation.
Gaia isn't a Titan actually, she's a primordial deity.
Note that according to Mr Zoat she's in a bit of an unusual situation. The empowerments of the gods and the fact she regards herself as just an Amazon and not a Titan or goddess apparently suppresses or stunts her natural divine abilities.
Whether the former is by design or just a side effect I don't know. It might be to keep her under control, or it might be the arcane version of how you wouldn't develop your own muscles much if you spent all your time in powered armor; her potential innate abilities might be weaker than the ones given to her as gifts, even.
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The SI doesn't know.
He was shouting it up the stairs to Jade.
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All the cool kids were doing it!
In the global adventures Paul ran into a guy who was forced into taking venombuster, which damages the amygdala.
Paul healed him but gave him an amygdala that was better than new in the process, which resulted in a noticeable improvement for the man.
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Maybe SHOUTING it would be a better way to communicate that. IMO the exclamation mark does add a sense of urgency that's inappropriate.
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Okay, but... when/why did Paul or ParaJade get one, as a few posters have said?All the cool kids were doing it!
Paul didn't, at least as far as I know. Jade did when she rebuilt the brains of those damaged by agent orange (the chemical) when Paul "whitemailed" her. She might also have done other upgrades, but she very explicitely upgraded her own brain to the max, under the assumption that Paul did it to himself too.
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Hmm, is Zatanna going to kill Paul next?
She does still have the Star Sapphire right?
She does still have the Star Sapphire right?
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On the one hand: Yay, Paul has a girlfriend. On the other hand, boo... Paul sort of doesn't have a girlfriend?
A part of me is trying to look at this scene objectively. Because Paul doesn't know about Renegade universe. And if one includes Renegade in this it becomes infuriating that the clueless version of Paul is actually getting the girl where Grayven who put so much of his time, effort, love, patience, and good nature, is currently failing. If one takes the Renegade version into account, then this is the worst Paragon update ever.
So, let's try and read this from a watsonian perspective, not a doylist one where we know another Paul just had his heart almost literally torn out for actually taking the time to court his beloved, instead of clumsily falling into a one night stand like Parablivious. Because that's terrible. Let's read this as an entirely separate story from Renegade.
Now, could this relationship work out? Well, maybe. In a way, it could be a sweet touch, Paul falling in love with Jade no matter which dimension he's in. And the tone of this relationship is different from the OTP. Their first time together isn't with the League of Shadows hanging over their head and the possibility of a honey pot scheme present. However, the timing of it suggests Jade isn't interested in that sort of relationship. She probably just wants to say goodbye and/or be able to embarrass him at his wedding with ex-girlfriend stories. In a way, it would almost be preferable for them to actually start a relationship then have this be a single stand alone chapter of horribleness. Or possibly Paul makes the mistake of thinking this is actually a relationship and comes back from space to find Jade dating someone else. Or maybe Paul makes the mistake of thinking this is a one night stand, and comes back to find Jade outraged he didn't call her. Or maybe Paul will decline her offer, or... well, there's several reasons why this won't work, but if Zoat decrees it, it may work.
I'm rambling. I'm trying to be rational about this and it's not working. I'll just stop talking now, and write up an omake where star sapphire paul dies painfully because there's no way he'd be able to properly utilize a sapphire ring.
A part of me is trying to look at this scene objectively. Because Paul doesn't know about Renegade universe. And if one includes Renegade in this it becomes infuriating that the clueless version of Paul is actually getting the girl where Grayven who put so much of his time, effort, love, patience, and good nature, is currently failing. If one takes the Renegade version into account, then this is the worst Paragon update ever.
So, let's try and read this from a watsonian perspective, not a doylist one where we know another Paul just had his heart almost literally torn out for actually taking the time to court his beloved, instead of clumsily falling into a one night stand like Parablivious. Because that's terrible. Let's read this as an entirely separate story from Renegade.
Now, could this relationship work out? Well, maybe. In a way, it could be a sweet touch, Paul falling in love with Jade no matter which dimension he's in. And the tone of this relationship is different from the OTP. Their first time together isn't with the League of Shadows hanging over their head and the possibility of a honey pot scheme present. However, the timing of it suggests Jade isn't interested in that sort of relationship. She probably just wants to say goodbye and/or be able to embarrass him at his wedding with ex-girlfriend stories. In a way, it would almost be preferable for them to actually start a relationship then have this be a single stand alone chapter of horribleness. Or possibly Paul makes the mistake of thinking this is actually a relationship and comes back from space to find Jade dating someone else. Or maybe Paul makes the mistake of thinking this is a one night stand, and comes back to find Jade outraged he didn't call her. Or maybe Paul will decline her offer, or... well, there's several reasons why this won't work, but if Zoat decrees it, it may work.
I'm rambling. I'm trying to be rational about this and it's not working. I'll just stop talking now, and write up an omake where star sapphire paul dies painfully because there's no way he'd be able to properly utilize a sapphire ring.
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Oh speaking of ring made upgrades, I was reading some Guy Gardner that revealed some things I didn't know about the idiot Lanterns Gnort was a member of before Guy got him into the Green Lanterns- Three of them gave themselves superpowers with their rings.
Two of them gave themselves super-alien strength and resistance to injury to fight each other for all eternity.
A third gave himself the same augmentations to become a super-furniture mover.
Not Superman level, but they can be hit by a bus and it's the bus that gets destroyed.
There were only 12 idiot lanterns. So 12 people chosen specifically for having IQs below room temperature, and 25% of them thought to do that.
Point of order: Paul has put a vast amount of time and effort into Jade, arguably more than Grayven. He captured her then proceeded to rebuild her life from the ground up, being with her every step of the way.
Grayven started a relationship with Jade then spent time with her. After which he destroying her life, causing her to dump him.
Paul spent time with Jade, got her into a stable and independent life style and now has the option to begin a relationship.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
I find it facinating that she displayed orange here and didn't display any violet during the conversation.
Lealope
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Normally I don't comment on this story but for you, I'll make an exception. Say it with me.
"Women are not prizes to be gotten. Jade is an adult who can make her own decisions."
And why are you surprised in the slightest? Not only does it fit the mirroring motif of these latest chapters, it also makes sense that a person that is both willing and able to communicate and treat others with trust and respect is more likely to have successful relationships than those who don't. Being able to see emotions help, as does having an EQ above room temperature.
R!Paul is an asshole who could have salvaged his relationship if he actually took a second to think about things from Jade's perspective. If he actually had empathy. I'm not saying this as a Grayven hater, I'm saying this as someone who understands the basic premise of Renegade updates.
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Could have been "I'm going to propose to you," giving a pretty clear indication that he didn't see her as just a contact.
Besides, there's truth to what was discussed by the anti-life. He didn't treat her as an equal. He didn't discuss with her before he turned her world upside down. That's some pretty basic shit. I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with a guy that couldn't even be bothered to tell me that he was going to destroy my livelihood and entire support structure while betraying people I actually felt some loyalty to.
Stop being butthurt. Or try to be slightly less obnoxious about it if you can't resist. Start by not imagining someone's painful death, or at least have the tact not to mention your fantasy, you absolute numpty.
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Also, this.
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NemiTheNen
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You fool, are you trying to add to the power of the shipping chart? Besides, the Mighty One has a preference for women it seems.
(Who am I kidding, the shipping chart is all, the shipping chart is powerful, all hail the shipping chart)
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As a point of fact, Adom has had three female lovers and zero male ones.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
He would. He totally would. Wow.
On another note, if Grayven finds out about Paul's fling (or whatever it turns out to be), especially about the timing, he's not going to be happy. He'll still be more upset with Darkseid, especially if he did mess with Jade when or before Grayven went to propose.
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Actually, he did discuss that with her - at the very start of the relationship that was almost its entirety; co-plotters with benefits. He went on to continue discussing that with her, and about all the issues he had with the Light, until the majorly Out-of-Character chapter where the formerly-headstrong and intelligent Jade stopped demanding information and became completely unable to understand context.
And @Angelform is, I believe, mistaken on this matter - seeing as how Grayven spent at least as much time with R!Jade as Paul did his, and put a lot more effort into helping her acquire her intended goal besides.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
I think that either the speculation about Darkseid (or another Unnatural Mental Influence) getting to her is correct, or she honestly thought she'd turned him to the Light, and was freaking out to discover how totally wrong she was.
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