Ganurath
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If theoretical knowledge were just as good as practical knowledge, the users of the SB/SV/QQ forums would've conquered the planet by now.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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It's one thing to read a book, it's another to FEEL what it was talking about.
Breaking a leg sounds bad, feels far worse.
Darkseid? Darkseid is an EXPERIENCE you do not forget and can only eventually endure.
Breaking a leg sounds bad, feels far worse.
Darkseid? Darkseid is an EXPERIENCE you do not forget and can only eventually endure.
As far as I'm aware he doesn't know Jor-El's neural clone exists, or the data to help Match. Renegade only knows because he was impolite enough to scan the place and go there without permission.
If he couldn't download data from it, I don't see how he could have gotten the data needed to build things with his ring using the information in it.
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Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
Guys, Rick Sanchez is actually Darkseid. I have proof of him using his early understanding of the Anti-Life Equation:
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- Earth
Paragon or Renegade? One of the explains a lot about the possible Orange Night.
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- Earth, 3rd rock from the Sun
I would have thought as a Card Carrying Good Guy, the highfather would not just kill anyone out of hand. And that some one approaching under a metaphorical white flag would be heard out and booted out the door at worst. Someone coming to him asking for help freeing himself from Anti life that dark-seid put their personally, who is a high ranking Apocalyptian and did something like giving a child a part of his soul to free her from her own Anti-life infection, getting told 'I don't believe you' and being killed, or 'I don't care' and getting killed...
That seems like something that would only strengthen Darkseid. People knowing that once Darkseid gets his hooks into you, not even his worst enemy will help you, so why even try? Just give in, and let Self=Darkseid.
If he still had Father Box, I would think it would have some diplomatic protocols for making an approach. Or now, make an entreaty to Barda's Mother Box. Or open a tube to Genesis in a cleared place and send a request back with whoever comes through to investigate.
Cherico
Machine
high father already has one of darksides kids on his side, getting another one into the fold is not impossible.
Breadnaugt
Even in Death, I'm still Tasty
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- Britland
SB would have blown up half of the world.
SV would have rendered the other half a Mad Max style wasteland.
QQ would have ... you ever see one of those really fucked post-Apoc Hentai? Yeah, that.
I've heard theories that the Source wall is actually the fourth wall, and the various entities trapped within it are allegories for DC's fandom. Maybe Grayven is yelling at the Source Wall because he's had enough of the narrative rut Universe 16 has gotten itself into.
I'd rather see him get wrecked by Alicorns and their friendly neighborhood Chaos God.If you have a dimensional portal.
And you can go anywhere, even to such distant and strange universes as Wilson...
There's only one place you need to go to get what you need to defeat Darkseid and the Anti-Life Equation.
Who wants to see the evil emperor of the universe get wrecked by stuffed animals?
"Hello, Darkseid, my name is Princess Celestia. My former student and your son have told me a great deal about you, and I'm afraid I can't permit you to exist for a moment longer."
"Oh? What makes you believe you are capable of accomplishing that?"
"Quite simple, really-"
"I'm going to hit you with the sun."
Darkseid hasn't survived this long by taking stupid chances, I'm absolutely certain that he's Apokolips' best shield systems integrated into his armor.
Or Thundermind, who is a Bodhisattva, and could probably no-sell the Anti-life equation due to his enlightenment.
Not sure about that, TBH. I always got the feeling that New Genesis was never Apokolips' peer in battle due to paradise not making people good killers. Grayven would probably be able to survive long enough to escape.
This too.
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rkyeun
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See, the thing is, I'm not sure he couldn't deal with that. A sun is a rather hefty chunk of rather hot matter undergoing a very powerful process... but it also is the kind of thing filthy casuals miniaturize and power their armors with, or destroy to show how evil they are. And this is Darkseid. You might fling it at him only to find a boom tube open in front of him, and then he thanks you for your contribution to the reactor of one of his smaller spacecraft's fuel tanks. The sun is nice, but it's not the kind of anti-concept I would expect to take down Darkseid.
As opposed to Care Bears, who shoot the direct antithesis of Darkseid on a conceptual basis and routinely engage in soul manipulations to repair and put souls back in people due to treating the victims of their natural enemies in their canon. I think I'll stand by my decision -- but having Celestia on hand certainly won't hurt. I imagine she knows other useful spells beyond 'throw the sun'.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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Yyyyeah, remember the Brimstone Servitor that Grayven's team fought? How it was basically a mini-sun? I don't think that would kill him. Injure him, maybe, assuming you could find a scenario in which throwing the sun wouldn't cause unacceptable collateral damage.
Do they have the sheer mystic mojo to overpower Darkseid's portfolio, though? Their universe is not nearly as high-level as DC is, even Earth-16 DC.
rkyeun
Cabbitus Maximus
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Well, they do each have their own portfolio, and they go all-your-powers-combined to make a stronger combo than each alone acting singly. And each of their portfolios is a different aspect of a direct antithesis to Darkseid. Including Good Luck, Wish, and other reality warper/probability manipulators. They do tackle Adult Fear situations seriously, competently, and without making a fuss that would scare kids. Their main enemy is No Heart, basically a more kid-friendly presentation of Darkseid. In a physical fight, no problem, Darkseid rips the stuffing out of the poor things. But mystic mojo? Care Bears can casually scoop up a handful of clouds and demand it be a functional flying car, or just physically shove people's souls back into their bodies barehanded...
I mean, it's not really something we can compare straight across because of how different toon physics is to comic physics. Constantine has to tattoo elaborate wards on Paul to let him slowly build a soul. The care bears would go to Care-A-Lot-Castle and just pull a fresh-baked new one from their own personal Kingdom Heart, the soul would be shaped like a plushie heart, and they'd just press it into Paul's chest like a reverse of the Undertale "battle start" animation.
On a physical level? Yes, Darkseid wins, absolutely. On a wizardy level, like Klarion splitting the world into adults and kids - I think the care bears actually had an episode or movie like that. On a raw conceptual level, where the Anti-Life Equation comes into play? I think the carebears win outright. Their power is explicitly to undo that nonsense and induce their feelings in the target. Which is of course why Darkseid shouldn't face them directly and should instead just send regular assassins who care very deeply about their mission.
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zhuull
SB still lying to protect Racists what else is new
So what you're saying is that Beard are Darkseid's natural enemy?
I'm now picturing Darkseid as Steven Colbert and it is amazing.
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Darkseid is not a conceptual entity here. He's flesh and blood that just happens to have a divine power up that is conceptual. Physics apply. Such as Justice Lord Superman killing his version of Darkseid.
Heck, considering Batman shot Darkseid in the comics and Zoat said that the Forever People would have been more damaged by bullets than the Apokalips weapons Darkseid gave Intergang, Darkseid might not even be bullet proof in this story. Although if he isn't bulletproof I imagine Zoat will have him with a personal forcefield device of some kind.
Of course killing him doesn't promise he won't show up again, for example, his ghost Blackmass is haunting his grandson in the stealth sequel to New Gods.
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I think Zoat said awhiles back that Darkseid was at least as powerful as Zeus. Certainly more intelligent, cunning, and quicker to adopt new weapons and technologies.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
Question: how practical would it be to make a boom tube generator construct?
He's aggressive and impulsive, not foolish.
He mentioned a while ago that he can do it himself, but was still relying on Father Box for some bits. He can likely learn to do it all by himself with some more practice.
He can also spread the Anti Life Equation by speaking, if Grayven can accidentally do it.
The comics aren't super reliable when something in them makes no sense. Gotham is bad, but still functional. If he hasn't seen any specific evidence that Britain is horrible, he would likely trust the League and Constantine that nothing too bad is happening.*shrugs* he's allready ignored some of his meta knowledge on VERY shaky grounds (im not letting him live down going "oh surely ENGLAND couldn't REALLY be a vile nest of demon cultists, so ill intentionally avoid cross-checking a large chunk of my Hellblazer knowladge just to save time" anytime soon
. it wouldn't be such a HUGE leap to "SURELY the controllers couldn't REALLY be THAT bad!" XD
(and yes i know WOZ is the controllers in 16...ahem..exhibit fewer/milder murderous/tyrannical tendencies)
"My Queen, I have returned."
"So soon? Have you forgotten something."
"No. Grayven turned out to be rather optimistic in his assessment of his fellow New Gods."
Zoat calls the Paragon "The SI" all but exclusively, and Grayven either "Grayven" or "The Renegade".
What? Darkseid is far too tough to be hurt by bullets. The only damage Grayven would take from a bullet to his head would be some mild hearing loss:
Diana can get hit by tank rounds with nothing more than some bruising. The only reason the Forever People were so bad was because they were little more than teenagers. Grayven only said that regular guns would have done more is because the weapons that Integang did use were little more than fancy jokes.
Falling Action (part 18)
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- Hampden Park
10th July
15:49 GMT -5
I step out of the alley and look around the Gotham street. You'd barely know that this place was overrun with giant plants two months ago. Oh, now that I look again I can see that some of the work on the fascias is recent, and there are patches where the gripping roots of some of the vines have managed to stay lodged in places where it's inconvenient to get at them, but… Really got to hand it to the people of Gotham. They're a resilient bunch.
Either that or so totally stoical that they barely notice things like that.
No one really pays me much attention as I head towards Holly and Karon's home. With the rings not on open display, I'm not… No, come on, I should be a bit more recognisable by now, surely? Maybe it's a city thing, not paying all that much attention to the people around you… As long as they don't look threatening, anyway.
Maybe it just goes to show that no matter how Earth-shattering an event in your life is, the world will keep turning regardless. And most people around you probably don't give a Monkey's. How many would actually care that the League lied about Roanoke? I mean, they'd care if they were covering for Klarion and I imagine that most people would be anti-Nabu on balance… But how many would care enough to do something meaningful about it? How many would keep caring months later? How many people -even here in Gotham- have had direct exposure to a superhero before?
I give my head a small shake before I press the doorbell. The confrontation with the League has left me more than a little out of sorts. That, and the talk with Rob and Alan… And the proper talk I'm going to have with Kon and M'gann before I leave. And -hah!- I still haven't firmly decided whether I want to go to Maltus before or after I scout out the Vega Systems in person. Turning up with the Orange Central Power Battery would give me an obvious negotiating advantage, and I want to do something about the military domination of the Citadel Complex. That's a bit more urgent than the Reach, though not as important.
On the other hand -I press the doorbell again- I could be in a bit of a sticky situation if Larfleeze notices that I'm-
"It's open!"
-there. Huh. Not a good idea to leave a door unlocked in Gotham, but I imagine that Jade is perfectly capable of taking most would-be home invaders. I take hold of the door handle and turn it, pushing the door open.
"Ahoy the house?"
"I'll be down in a minute!"
No.. sign.. of Holly or Karon. I close and lock the door behind me, then walk over to the bottom of the stairs. "If this is a bad time, I can come back!"
"I said, a minute!"
Sounds like Jade's not feeling too much the worse for wear, then. I sit down on one of the armchairs, leaning back into the cushions. I pat the chair's right arm with my right hand, the suitcase containing the balance of Jade's fee appearing from subspace on the floor next to me. "Where are Holly and Karon!?"
"The park, I think?" I look up as Jade comes down the stairs in.. what looks like her old short skirted kimono costume. Her hair looks damp… Oh heck, did I turn up while she was in the shower? "So?"
"So, Nabu is confirmed… Either actually dead or brain dead." She nods as she walks towards the settee to my left. "Mister Zatara was briefly awake, and the prognosis is good for his recovery." She sits, legs curled up underneath her. "Adom's nearly back to normal, John's… Weird. I don't think… Having two opposing sources of magic energy, he's not having an easy time making them work together." I look her over. "Do you still have the Ace?"
"I didn't think that keeping it here was such a great idea. If anyone came looking for it…"
I nod. "Where did you put it?"
"Shadowcrest. Zatanna seemed pretty confident that the spells on the place would keep out uninvited guests."
"Good plan. I'll pick it up when I drop Zatanna and Mister Zatara off."
She looks at me carefully. "And the Justice League? Do I need to worry about having violated my parole?"
"No. At least, I don't think so. From what Diana told me, they're planning on maintaining the pretence that Mister Zatara was on an extended leave of absence." I exhale, looking away from her. "I wonder if he'll actually go back? I mean… I wouldn't, if it was me, but he just…"
She frowns. "Just what?"
"He almost seemed annoyed that we'd done it. I don't know, I don't know what he's thinking-. Oh! Sorry." I lean forwards, picking up the suitcase.
Then I stand and lean forwards, holding it out to her. Her eyebrows rise slightly, then she comes up onto her knees to take it from me. "Should I count it?"
"Um." I sit back down. "You can if you like, but I assure-" She's already got it open and pulled out one bundle of notes, flicking through them to check the denomination. "-you.. that it's all there."
"Old habits." She puts the bundle back in and takes out a second. "Guess this means I can afford to take a holiday from bodyguarding the mafia."
"If you want, though you might find it better to keep busy. Technically, you didn't do anything illegal, but…"
She puts the second bundle down and smiles at me. "You need me to keep out of trouble for next time you need to kill a member of the Justice League."
"No, I-." I look down for a moment. "No."
"It was a joke, Paul."
"I know, I just… I spent about forty minutes calling them a bunch of cowardly idiotic liars to their faces-"
She blinks. "You-?"
"-and all it did was make me more annoyed as well as alienating people I'd.. considered friends and colleagues."
She looks at me… I think she's surprised, and a little impressed. "I used to know people who'd give their right arm -and probably their left one as well- for the chance to do that."
I shrug. "They're welcome to try. That's not what the Justice League is supposed to be, you know?"
"Hm." Jade gives the remaining bundles a really quick once over and then stows the suitcase next to the settee. "So what happens next?"
"Next? I still need to talk to a few people, then…" I raise my right hand, then drop it forwards. "Off I go into deep space. For.. I don't know how long. Let all the -heh- ill-feeling really fester for when I come back."
Jade looks thoughtful for a moment. "You know… Since you've paid the balance of my contract, we're not in a professional relationship any more."
"Um. True?" I nod. "Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm hoping that I never have to hire you for something like this again."
Why is she wincing?
"Not that I'm in any way complaining about your professionalism, but-."
She holds up her right hand. "Stop."
"Okay?"
"I thought Artemis was joking." She leans back, reaching down to the sash holding her kimono closed and tugging on the-.
Oh.
"Do you get it now?"
"Ah."
15:49 GMT -5
I step out of the alley and look around the Gotham street. You'd barely know that this place was overrun with giant plants two months ago. Oh, now that I look again I can see that some of the work on the fascias is recent, and there are patches where the gripping roots of some of the vines have managed to stay lodged in places where it's inconvenient to get at them, but… Really got to hand it to the people of Gotham. They're a resilient bunch.
Either that or so totally stoical that they barely notice things like that.
No one really pays me much attention as I head towards Holly and Karon's home. With the rings not on open display, I'm not… No, come on, I should be a bit more recognisable by now, surely? Maybe it's a city thing, not paying all that much attention to the people around you… As long as they don't look threatening, anyway.
Maybe it just goes to show that no matter how Earth-shattering an event in your life is, the world will keep turning regardless. And most people around you probably don't give a Monkey's. How many would actually care that the League lied about Roanoke? I mean, they'd care if they were covering for Klarion and I imagine that most people would be anti-Nabu on balance… But how many would care enough to do something meaningful about it? How many would keep caring months later? How many people -even here in Gotham- have had direct exposure to a superhero before?
I give my head a small shake before I press the doorbell. The confrontation with the League has left me more than a little out of sorts. That, and the talk with Rob and Alan… And the proper talk I'm going to have with Kon and M'gann before I leave. And -hah!- I still haven't firmly decided whether I want to go to Maltus before or after I scout out the Vega Systems in person. Turning up with the Orange Central Power Battery would give me an obvious negotiating advantage, and I want to do something about the military domination of the Citadel Complex. That's a bit more urgent than the Reach, though not as important.
On the other hand -I press the doorbell again- I could be in a bit of a sticky situation if Larfleeze notices that I'm-
"It's open!"
-there. Huh. Not a good idea to leave a door unlocked in Gotham, but I imagine that Jade is perfectly capable of taking most would-be home invaders. I take hold of the door handle and turn it, pushing the door open.
"Ahoy the house?"
"I'll be down in a minute!"
No.. sign.. of Holly or Karon. I close and lock the door behind me, then walk over to the bottom of the stairs. "If this is a bad time, I can come back!"
"I said, a minute!"
Sounds like Jade's not feeling too much the worse for wear, then. I sit down on one of the armchairs, leaning back into the cushions. I pat the chair's right arm with my right hand, the suitcase containing the balance of Jade's fee appearing from subspace on the floor next to me. "Where are Holly and Karon!?"
"The park, I think?" I look up as Jade comes down the stairs in.. what looks like her old short skirted kimono costume. Her hair looks damp… Oh heck, did I turn up while she was in the shower? "So?"
"So, Nabu is confirmed… Either actually dead or brain dead." She nods as she walks towards the settee to my left. "Mister Zatara was briefly awake, and the prognosis is good for his recovery." She sits, legs curled up underneath her. "Adom's nearly back to normal, John's… Weird. I don't think… Having two opposing sources of magic energy, he's not having an easy time making them work together." I look her over. "Do you still have the Ace?"
"I didn't think that keeping it here was such a great idea. If anyone came looking for it…"
I nod. "Where did you put it?"
"Shadowcrest. Zatanna seemed pretty confident that the spells on the place would keep out uninvited guests."
"Good plan. I'll pick it up when I drop Zatanna and Mister Zatara off."
She looks at me carefully. "And the Justice League? Do I need to worry about having violated my parole?"
"No. At least, I don't think so. From what Diana told me, they're planning on maintaining the pretence that Mister Zatara was on an extended leave of absence." I exhale, looking away from her. "I wonder if he'll actually go back? I mean… I wouldn't, if it was me, but he just…"
She frowns. "Just what?"
"He almost seemed annoyed that we'd done it. I don't know, I don't know what he's thinking-. Oh! Sorry." I lean forwards, picking up the suitcase.
Then I stand and lean forwards, holding it out to her. Her eyebrows rise slightly, then she comes up onto her knees to take it from me. "Should I count it?"
"Um." I sit back down. "You can if you like, but I assure-" She's already got it open and pulled out one bundle of notes, flicking through them to check the denomination. "-you.. that it's all there."
"Old habits." She puts the bundle back in and takes out a second. "Guess this means I can afford to take a holiday from bodyguarding the mafia."
"If you want, though you might find it better to keep busy. Technically, you didn't do anything illegal, but…"
She puts the second bundle down and smiles at me. "You need me to keep out of trouble for next time you need to kill a member of the Justice League."
"No, I-." I look down for a moment. "No."
"It was a joke, Paul."
"I know, I just… I spent about forty minutes calling them a bunch of cowardly idiotic liars to their faces-"
She blinks. "You-?"
"-and all it did was make me more annoyed as well as alienating people I'd.. considered friends and colleagues."
She looks at me… I think she's surprised, and a little impressed. "I used to know people who'd give their right arm -and probably their left one as well- for the chance to do that."
I shrug. "They're welcome to try. That's not what the Justice League is supposed to be, you know?"
"Hm." Jade gives the remaining bundles a really quick once over and then stows the suitcase next to the settee. "So what happens next?"
"Next? I still need to talk to a few people, then…" I raise my right hand, then drop it forwards. "Off I go into deep space. For.. I don't know how long. Let all the -heh- ill-feeling really fester for when I come back."
Jade looks thoughtful for a moment. "You know… Since you've paid the balance of my contract, we're not in a professional relationship any more."
"Um. True?" I nod. "Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm hoping that I never have to hire you for something like this again."
Why is she wincing?
"Not that I'm in any way complaining about your professionalism, but-."
She holds up her right hand. "Stop."
"Okay?"
"I thought Artemis was joking." She leans back, reaching down to the sash holding her kimono closed and tugging on the-.
Oh.
"Do you get it now?"
"Ah."
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SaltyWaffles
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In fairness to him, he's just come down from blowing up at the League and arguing with Diana a second time after that, and he's a bit distracted by the fact that he's about to leave the planet for months, possibly years. And the last time he saw Jade was in the middle of battle.
Now, I can't help but wonder if Holly and Karon are going to walk in on them or something. That'd be awkward.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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*They're
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Awkward? Holly will push for a foursome.
ParaJade is 102% better than ReneJade.
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