With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

[nmWarden]

Pffft, please. When has the Paragon SI ever been able to communicate worth a damn when it comes to romantic relationships?

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Well there was the attempted Selena Kyle date.

So we've considered Jade becoming an orange lantern. Who else have we met in Paul's journey that could participate in Corps shenanigans so that the white lanterns can exist? Alan Scott is an obvious choice for the Blue Lantern Corps, Adom could (through great misfortune) replace Atrocitus for the Reds, one of the Amazon mothers could represent Violet (though unlikely), and the obvious choice for Indigo would be a villain Paul reformed. I'm not terribly optimistic that Truggs will be reformed, so who else could could fill such a role? Other options for Violet would be Kon and the succubus-turned-love-elemental. This version of Guy Gardner will probably stick with green. The best option for Yellow recently went off the grid (I doubt he and Teekl are permanently dead). Actually... Paul really ought to contact that guy via spirit summoning in order to confirm his fate. I suppose a vaporized golem is a sizable obstacle.

 

[SaltyWaffles]

SI can probably no sell Larfleeze assimilation techniques. Larfleeze advantage is Infinite 50,000% charge or whatever the OCPB gives him and the Odles of Construct Lanterns to bury Paul in.

SI has tactical advantage because he can think rationally. Larfleeze is crazy and easily fooled or enraged. Larfleeze hasn't fought anything in whatever millions of years near a Full powered and prepared Lantern. (I think.) So him just being ganked by Paul Accelerating himself is possible.

That's not even mentioning Ophidian!Paul just saying You cannot use our light.

All in all it might be tough but I'm certain Paul could win.

Edit: Also a passing thought I had for where all those extra Orange Power Rings came from. Larfleeze made them cause he wanted MORE of them. His shinies. Didn't Paul ask his Ring how long it would take to make a Personal Lantern at the beginning and it was like a week of high Avarice and all the Power his ring had? Larfleexe with OCPB just did that with Rings.

Edit 2: Might come down to who can out Orange Light the other.

Orange Enlightenment + Ophidian =/= OCPB + Millions of years of Orange Light Exposure to the third most direct source.

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Ultimately, Paul has Ophidian on his side. It will no doubt be a very tough battle, but having the Entity of your color fighting with you against someone using that same color (without even having enlightenment in that color) seems like a hard counter. Not only that, Ophidian herself is sort of enlightened now, thanks to Paul.

 

[Chaoswind]

If it takes Paul a week to get somewhere in his spaceship I fully expect him to arrive at his destination with 300% charge. Unless a good reason otherwise is explicitly given in gonna be annoyed at Paul for not going for the safe and easy power up.

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Its a week of pure concentration, meaning he can't do anything else as he focuses on making a ring. But that was before enlightening so it should be less time now, but only @Mr Zoat can answer that.

Anyways, we can't forget many of the orange rings where scattered when Paul used the ophidian to call his ring (including one that landed with the father of both blackfire and startfire) it would be interesting if it turns out Blackfire and Starfire managed to escape from the Citadel thanks to their father doing an heroic sacrifice, even more awesome if Paul finds them leading some sort of resistance to avenge their father... That would be a HECK of a lot more interesting than a rehearsal of the usual canon DC crap from the comics.

 

[RichardWhereat]

W-Wait, it's happening? F-Finally happening?!

Wait, this is the part where Paul cockblocks himself, isn't it.

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No, this is where he realises that while he's up for sport, he really wants Melinoe.

Yes?

 

[shotiegun11]

Anyways, we can't forget many of the orange rings where scattered when Paul used the ophidian to call his ring (including one that landed with the father of both blackfire and startfire) it would be interesting if it turns out Blackfire and Starfire managed to escape from the Citadel thanks to their father doing an heroic sacrifice, even more awesome if Paul finds them leading some sort of resistance to avenge their father... That would be a HECK of a lot more interesting than a rehearsal of the usual canon DC crap from the comics.

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This would be cool but not likely.

Tamaran is in Vega. Okaara is in Vega. If an Orange Ring had gone to Kori sister's father then he would have been killed /Assimilated by Construct Lantern/ Larfleeze.

Larfleeze not finding Orange Rings because they spread across the stars? Sure. His own backyard? Nope.

 

[Ganurath]

No, this is where he realises that while he's up for sport, he really wants Melinoe.

Yes?

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Oh, my, no. Do you seriously think that your wisdom surpasses that granted by Atum to his champion?

 

[Pizza]

No, this is where he realises that while he's up for sport, he really wants Melinoe.

Yes?

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Any decision would be better than no decision, honestly. I'm with Eris there. But... I dont think that decision will be a tsundere. And the mods don't support my otp. So I'm not rooting for any particular camp. As long as he brings his signature perspective to the relationship I'll be pretty into it.

 

[RichardWhereat]

Yes.

 

[ChaosRuneSmith]

It's a wonder he doesn't have dust orbiting his head considering how fucking dense it is.

 

[Aagkard]

No, this is where he realises that while he's up for sport, he really wants Melinoe.

Yes?

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Who is Melinoe again in DC? I'm thinking about Percy Jackson here XD

 

[Cherico]

Who is Melinoe again in DC? I'm thinking about Percy Jackson here XD

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She's a tsundere goddess of nightmares and stuff.

 

[stsword]

What? Darkseid is far too tough to be hurt by bullets. The only damage Grayven would take from a bullet to his head would be some mild hearing loss:

Diana can get hit by tank rounds with nothing more than some bruising. The only reason the Forever People were so bad was because they were little more than teenagers. Grayven only said that regular guns would have done more is because the weapons that Integang did use were little more than fancy jokes.

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Grayven didn't get bulletproof from being a New God, he was bulletproof from forming the armored skin of a Venombuster enhancile.

And Wonder Woman isn't a New God. She isn't even a god. She's a titan.

Since Darkseid is neither a titan nor a venombuster enhancile, saying he's bullet proof because Grayven and Diana are is apple and oranges

No, if Zoat makes Darkseid bullet proof, it's because he doesn't want his big bad someone who can get offed by a junkie with a saturday night special, and that's his prerogative.

I think Zoat said awhiles back that Darkseid was at least as powerful as Zeus. Certainly more intelligent, cunning, and quicker to adopt new weapons and technologies.

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As powerful doesn't mean the same powers. Things of flesh and blood with globs of magic that give them powers.

Non New Gods are elemental beings. Globs of magic using physical forms to interact with the physical world.

 

[RichardWhereat]

She's the adorable daughter of Hades that he met when he went to Erebos, and after that, Tartarus. My kinda girl.

And Wonder Woman isn't a New God. She isn't even a god. She's a titan./QUOTE]
God/Titan is a political divide. Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, and Hera are all children of Titans.

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[Tesuji]

Essentally Zoat said that the controlers were getting more desperate and the more extreem segments got into power, The SI's actually comming in just in time to displace the extremists and give the controlers some much needed hope.

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I think the "We need an army to control the galaxy" group are the moderates, given that they just want everyone under their control, not dead. (I mean, when you have a group that chooses to call themselves "Controllers" as a matter of philosophically differentiating themselves from the group that chose the name "Guardians", you have to think that wanting to be in charge is kind of their thing.)

This is an extremist Controller:

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One thing I've still never gotten in all of this. Paul, for the most part, is the closest of anyone in the universe to having accurate contextual knowledge of things. Why does he want to align with the Controllers again?

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Why he wanted to ally with the Controllers in the first place is simple: He needed an ally vs. Larfleeze, and the list of factions that were strong enough to be worth allying with, but weak enough that they'd want to ally with him, wasn't very long, and doesn't contain very many good-aligned ones. He then never bothered to reevaluate things after Ophidian changed the equation.

My theory is that--like Grayven--Paul has mind-fucked himself into believing his own lies.

For all the blame placed on Fatherbox and mantles, it's entirely possible that it was really Orange Light exposure that caused a lot of Grayven's mental issues. Larfleeze has been shown as an unreliable narrator before. Perhaps Avarice makes you believe what you want to be true, and after enough repetitions of saying that you're Grayven or that there's an OLC run by the Controllers, you start behaving as though you grew up on Apokolips or that the Controllers are the kind of people who should be in charge of you.

 

[Mr Zoat]

then

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Thank you, corrected.

Aww, I was kinda hoping we would see Alan's goodbye.

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Tuesday.

Would the SI not return immediately upon having a working solution for him?

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It depends what else was happening.

situation if Larfleeze
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Typos: "Her"

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Thank you, corrected.

Larfleeze hasn't fought anything in whatever millions of years near a Full powered and prepared Lantern.

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He did fight a whole race of these guys.

Ultimately, Paul has Ophidian on his side. It will no doubt be a very tough battle, but having the Entity of your color fighting with you against someone using that same color (without even having enlightenment in that color) seems like a hard counter. Not only that, Ophidian herself is sort of enlightened now, thanks to Paul.

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Larfleeze trapped the Ophidian once already.

 

[shmone else]

Assuming that Paul actually gets off-planet without something interrupting him, are you planning on detailing his Space Adventures or will it be more of a series of vignettes/time skip back to Earth?

 

[konamikode]

"Do you get it now?"

"Ah."

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Incoming something or another interrupt

 

[stsword]

God/Titan is a political divide. Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, and Hera are all children of Titans.

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Word of Zoat-"The things the Norse call Giants are (in this story) the same class of being as what the Greeks call Titans. And for obvious reasons they're a bit down on the younger gods."

So no, the distinction is not political.

 

[Chaoswind]

This would be cool but not likely.

Tamaran is in Vega. Okaara is in Vega. If an Orange Ring had gone to Kori sister's father then he would have been killed /Assimilated by Construct Lantern/ Larfleeze.

Larfleeze not finding Orange Rings because they spread across the stars? Sure. His own backyard? Nope.

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Yes, but as the ophidian demonstrated it actually happened, by showing us glimpses of the people that had managed to find the rings.

I doubt daddy fire lived for long after using the ring, but that was already a foregone conclusion as he had no lantern to charge it.

It would be something like Daddyfire uses the ring to breach the citadel and help his daughters escape, while he fights their troops until he is overwhelmed or until his ring runs out of charge. Then the Citadel would have the ring for a few more days until a construct Lantern shows up and fucks the place up, this would in turn help the tamaran rebellion as the local forces of the citadel would have been decimated by both a rockie Orange Lantern and then a construct lantern.

Then again that was years ago and there is a chance @Mr Zoat forgot about it, or daddy fire using the ring for a short lived rescue attempt didn't manifest because the construct lantern showed up before it could happen... I certainly hope that wasn't the case because the checovk plot hint was kind of awesome.

 

[shotiegun11]

He did fight a whole race of these guys.

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I don't know if I should increase the threat level of Larfleeze in my mind or just think the Angel dudes were pathetic. (By Lantern Level Threat Standards.)

The wiki picture shows him defeating Rayner, Carol Ferris, Saint Walker, and an orange and Indigo Lantern but that happens every week with almost every new villain that shows up to fight Lanterns so idk.

Larfleeze trapped the Ophidian once already.

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Larfleeze trapped a LowIntelligence!Ophidian that probably wandered into the OCPB because she din't know any better. Paulified!Ophidian will probable fair better at any attempt to do that again.

Then again that was years ago and there is a chance @Mr Zoat forgot about it, or daddy fire using the ring for a short lived rescue attempt didn't manifest because the construct lantern showed up before it could happen... I certainly hope that wasn't the case because the checovk plot hint was kind of awesome.

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I thought that Paul was just seeing the Desires of people he wants to meet through his meta knowledge. I guess it was left ambiguous if Rings actually went to them or not.

Probably done that way so as to keep Paul in the dark about other Orange Lanterns being out there.

So no, the distinction is not political.

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No, it is both Political (Cause isn't it always) , Age, and Power. I think.

Or at least it become political to the Gods, Titans, and Primordials. If Primordials even exist here and aren't just considered Titans.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Assuming that Paul actually gets off-planet without something interrupting him, are you planning on detailing his Space Adventures or will it be more of a series of vignettes/time skip back to Earth?

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Episodes. Current plan says nine or ten.

 

[RichardWhereat]

Word of Zoat-"The things the Norse call Giants are (in this story) the same class of being as what the Greeks call Titans. And for obvious reasons they're a bit down on the younger gods."

So no, the distinction is not political.

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That indicates that the distinction is political, and that the Giants are the same race of the Aesir/Vanir.

@Mr Zoat ? Which is it? And if they are a different breed apart, are Zeus and his brothers/sister not descended from Titans anymore?

 

[Maxx Crowley]

All this talk of gods makes me wonder how Darkseid would fair in battle against Zeus or Odin. Or a titan like Helios or Oecanus given what we've seen of them. They are older then Darkseid correct?

 

[stsword]

No, it is both Political (Cause isn't it always) , Age, and Power. I think.

Or at least it become political to the Gods, Titans, and Primordials. If Primordials even exist here and aren't just considered Titans.

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Paul- "In point of fact, Kal-El, I don't think that Diana's Human either. Given how she was created, classifying her as a young Titan makes more sense."

If it's inherently about politics, Diana, with Athena as her personal patron, and basically Olympus' champion, wouldn't be a Titan.

If it's about age, Diana, who is thousands of years younger than the Olympians, wouldn't be a Titan.

If it's about power, Diana, who is less powerful than any of the major gods of Olympus, again wouldn't be qualified to be a Titan.

Titans would seem to be innately a different thing than the Gods here.

An alternative would be it's generational.

That makes no sense biologically, but these are the relatives of Zeus who has impregnated women as a goose and a golden shower, and gave birth to his daughter by trying to give himself brain surgery.

But yes, the difference has definitely been politicized.

 

[aetherialDawn]

Hmmmm.
Jade is thinking about a vacation.
Jade is a potential Orange Lantern candidate.
Jade would benefit from being somewhere outside the reach of the Justice League for a while - mostly for her own peace of mind, more than because they're likely to come after her. They could but they probably won't.

Jade has an enhanced amygdala helping her to make up for the empty abyss where Paul is supposed to have romantic communication capacity. And if she's the one driving the relationship, with a power ring letting her hang out around Paul, he's slightly less likely to screw it up like Grayven did - although, well, he did forget to mention that he wanted to make an Orange Lantern Corps to the Ophidian for... months, wasn't it?
Still, maybe she can teach him how to actively talk about things instead of just... dealing with technical problems and eventually mentioning, "Oh, yeah. I have superpower formulas/power armor/some teleportation gateways/a new Lantern Corps/that asshole Klarion/a fancy golden hat, want them?"

She's got her work cut out for her. On the other hand, she's probably a good balance for Paragon Paul - if she's involved in decision-making, she's probably better at tactics and strategy, to match up with his focus on logistics and structure.

Also, if Jade is a founding member of the Orange Lantern Corps, please consider that every member of the Corps might end up trained as a genuine ninja with a power ring. Just... think about that.
(Paul will totally invite Kon in to run spars against powerful, experienced, non-Lantern opponents. Super-ninjas vs. Kon!)