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Thank you, corrected.
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Also, when Wally was wearing the helmet, we saw that if the host body is damaged then the host feels it and can speak with Nabu. Logically, this would imply that Zatara would feel it if his body was starving.
Considering that Kent Nelson's spirit was able to pester Nabu about freeing Zatara enough that Nabu had to "release" him to his proper afterlife, that also suggest that if Zatara was starving then he could pester Nabu about it until he gave in and ate a hamburger or something.
So yeah, even if Nabu can't feel hunger, there is reason to believe that his host can and they can make their needs known.
Though I will admit, other than simply making Nabu seem needlessly negligence, having Zatara feel out of it after the ordeal does prevent him from telling his side of the story, and thus allow this confrontation to occur as it did.
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This sounds like an excellent plan for the Light to be going on with.
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Kent Nelson's spirit was tied to the helmet, explicitly to keep Nabu company. When he removed himself from Zatanna's head, she was surprised and confused by him putting on the helmet, even though her eyes had witnessed him putting himself forward as a replacement.
Can't Mordru... not come back, since the Chaos Quota for Earth is still filled? (With Constantine)
EDIT: I suppose that is only an assumption... but in that case we may also see a new Lord of Order. Interesting?
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Except that there didn't seem to be an actual conversation about it.
An after action report can easily be seen to support either way, the thing of Zatarra taking on the responsibility rather than his daughter (With Diana taking the view that it was an agreement for a partnership rather than enslavement, thinking that it was the way that Kent and Nabu used to act) for that specific act and led to Zatarra becoming the new Fate full time, and the view that is pointed to in this story that it was a thing of Zatarra offering himself in bondage rather than his daughter.
It's something that has a major difference between points, but a written report or even a quick one wouldn't be that big of a thing.
In other words, essentially another major case of the old axiom of "Poor Communication Kills" and in this case more than normal.
He would, but at the same time, he didn't have the rest of the info until OL's questioning just now.
Or he's playing the challenger in the questioning, using things that would reveal any flaws in the narrative. Essentially playing the prosecution...
Perhaps Princess Amethyst might fill that role, if she decides go that expansionst route to prevent civil war between the Gemhouses.
Of course, that would mean that we'd get the Lord of Chaos named "Child" and his anchor/familiar/golem, "Flaw", so we'd basically get another Klarion.
I wonder if Child and the Witch-boy had a rivalry between one another...
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Finally caught up on Paragon from behind like 7 arcs May 2016.
It was a fun read catching up. I was going to do Last Supper (da Vinci) fanart of the team and their mentors, that arc was happy stuff, but noowww... Glad I didn't jump the gun and make any time traveling comments from the past while I was reading. I was tempted, but that would have been awkward with current events.
Smooth reading with no errors, appreciated that you take people's revisions to clean up.
It was a fun read catching up. I was going to do Last Supper (da Vinci) fanart of the team and their mentors, that arc was happy stuff, but noowww... Glad I didn't jump the gun and make any time traveling comments from the past while I was reading. I was tempted, but that would have been awkward with current events.
Smooth reading with no errors, appreciated that you take people's revisions to clean up.
Maybe he had other priorities. Considering Nabu's apparent affinity for dramatic solutions, Zatara probably focused a lot of his pestering on not killing people and being diplomatic toward allies.
Neglecting Zatara's body is pretty understandable. Nabu was busy with important work and seemed very goal-orientated, generally. Who wouldn't neglect their body under those circumstances? (Also, I suspect that he resented the need for a host body and was on some level intentionally abusing it.)
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... derp. Thank you. XD
Limited telekinesis is in fact canon in some representations of Superman but in WTR, Zoat has explicitly established that Kryptonians are NOT touch-telekines and that Superman does in fact have to be careful how he applies force to things.
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...isnt that just a sheep?
It's quite possible that the memo hasn't been sent out that OL declined League Membership. They would have known he'd been offered it, but Diana may have only mentioned it to certain people/those she'd actually talked to about the London Incident.
It may be that after that experiment/interlude, Mr Zoat felt that the concept didn't work for this fic.
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If that is actually the case, that's a bit of a shame. The problem with that wasn't the device itself, it's what it was used for. The Russians have superheroes, we knew that. The Russians want someone on the League, we knew that too. All it did was introduce a character that would show up once and then not again for... Well, I sincerely doubt he'll appear before Paul leaves earth, I'll say that much. So all it did in practical terms was influence the audience' view of Rocket Red before his first real appearance and gave it an overly sinister undertone for no real reason (as far as we know). It didn't really accomplish anything.
Here, though? Getting the League perspective is important from a storytelling standpoint and leaving it unresolved for a year just means people are going to lose interest in that story thread. As has happened with the Nabu plot, that's what happens when you drag things out like that.
Still catching up but a question. What is the league going to do for a major magic user now? First they had Giovanni and then Nabu but Nabu got his justified death and Giovanni is recovering and has no reason to not give them the finger and his daughter is probable never joining either... Sure I guess they could get some Atlantean but there are very few who can fill those empty shoes.
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Queen Mera has been suggested a few times.
except she's busy running Atlantis while Aquaman is running around saving the world.
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Could also be that nabu could have used a spell to prevent the host from feeling the negative effects of him controlling him.
She is currently pregnant and going to be keeping her potential child faaaaaar away from combat - and will likely avoid it for several years beyond that.
She would probably have been more useful to the League than Aquaman - she's a strong magic-user with access to extensive research material beyond what she already knows. But that ship has sailed.
And based on what we saw with Kent, while Giovanni was a League-tier caster before being enslaved, Nabu could have turned a lesser caster into a League-tier one. (He had so much potential, wasted on crime!)
Most magic-users of that tier seem to be supervillains although Paul had a point that a few of them could be recruited with less accommodation than Nabu got.
I think they may need to just train one up, really. Atlantis has potential candidates, if they can be given the research access and artifacts to climb a little higher...
...or, y'know. The youth team has like five. Or they could recruit a passable Mage and Garrick Formula them to perform spells at super-speed.
(Please consider the terror that is Zatanna with the Staff of Love and able to speak spells faster than anyone can react. Garrick your Wizard and win initiative forever?)
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Wasn't Mordru blocked from the mortal realm due to klarion already fulfilling the spot for chaos Lord?
Than since his chaos essence was still their, than shouldn't he still be blocked from the mortal realm ?
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There is a point touched on in some of the omakes, which I feel lies behind some of the disconnect between how OL and the JL saw the situation. The JL spent their time interacting with Nabu, who was a bit of a dick but also acting heroically. OL spent his time avoiding Nabu but interacting with Zatana, keenly aware of her grief and pain. Thus, over time the underlying issue with Zatara might have faded into the background somewhat for the JL, but not for OL.
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Technically, as Constantine has been remade into an Archmage simultaneously embodying Order and Chaos, despite drawing power from both Planes of Existence, the Two Houses won't consider John to be of either one of them.
It's basically the same reason why Chaos-Lord T'charr and his lover, the Order-Lord Terataya are outcasts from their respective factions.
Both sides REALLY don't like it when they mix.
On the other hand - Klarion wanted to steal the Helmet of Fate. What Constantine is doing might not press the same buttons?
... yeah it probably does.
Jason Blood. Sargon the Sorcerer. Ibis the Invincible. Bloodwynd. Doctor Mist. Sebastian Faust (maybe a bad idea). Plenty of good ideas for Zoat to use.
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