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I believe that was the most literal and epic instance of PRAISE THE SUN since...ever.

Meanwhile, Helios gets to brag to the other gods about how he's done something awesome lately.

Also, Paul's description of the sun was just awesome. The "wall of fire" and "so big that you can't see the curvature even at the horizon" bits really drove it home.
 
He's covered by the environmental shield, so while he doesn't need to he can if he wants.
No, Nabu was offered a golem body by Paul, easily the least trustworthy person Nabu knows.
Nabu knows that the SI can't use magic. He's perfectly capable of going to Poseidonis and checking his working.
A man who couldn't more obviously have an unspecified grudge against Nabu if he spent hours monologing about it while Nabu was tied to a rocket.
It was, like, one hour at most.
 
So, just to make sure, you are against life extension technology? Artificial hearts are an abomination amiright? Because what is the helmet of Fate other than an arcane life support system? Tell me, what's a fundamental difference between replacing your body with cybernetics (Cyborg) and placing your mind into an enchanted helmet?

I find the morality of "you lived too long and used unconventional life support system, you are morally obligated to die" abhorrent.

Depending on sapient hosts to walk around is morally dubious, golems would be better, but it's a nuanced situation.
I object to Nabu's method of life extension in the same way I object to somebody who found a way to live forever by harvesting the life force of others, allowing himself to stay strong and vital while leaving a trail of victims behind. The helmet option makes Nabu into a (by all accounts shitty, abusive, and manipulating) high-maintenance boyfriend sitting on his hosts' shoulders, constantly badgering them to fork over their own limited time so he can use it for his own purposes. The only difference between then and now is that Nabu finally dropped all pretense and just decided to take his host's time instead of emotionally blackmailing it out of them.

As for your subsequent posts on the matter, get off your high horse. Nabu is not defensible. The body-harvesting Paleolithic alien sociopath who nickel-and-dimes people out of their own time to live so he can fly around pretending he's still the biggest-dicked wizard of them all is not fucking defensible. He is, under the most charitable possible interpretation, an incompetent boob who sucked so completely at the arts arcane that the helmet was his best try at life-extension, and then decided to be a selfish, domineering prick manipulating generations of people into helping him suck off his own ego.

Because that's my view of this: "Doctor Fate" is not some glorious all-dancing savior of Man, without which the Earth is doomed. He's a doddering, outdated relic chasing a masturbatory fantasy of moral infallibility and omnipotence. Nabu is a pathetic old man who chose, again and again and again, to try and wheedle and grasp and threaten his way toward the point he reached with Zatara: meatsuiting isn't some unprecedented escalation, it's just him dropping the pretense of caring what other people think.

For those literate in Exalted, Nabu is basically the worst kind of raksha noble.

tl; dr - @Yog? Don't you dare make this an anti-transhumanism thing in a bid to discredit your opponent. It isn't. It's a "Nabu is an asshole" thing.
 
I'm Curious, Zoat. How do you feel about the fact that you've likely influenced hundreds of fans of Young Justice to change their view of Nabu/Fate in a drastic, negative-leaning way?
Greg Weisman was the one who came up with this version of Nabu. It's just that I'm not skipping showing the consequences of things that happened in the series and Mr Weisman did. A lot. Canon Misplaced had no mention of mass fatalities, just a couple of nice shots of the team looking after a handful of children. Canon Light got away with having the mind controlled League kill thousands of Krolateans, or possibly more.
Should one man have this much power?
2.2 billion people follow the teachings of a dead Jewish architect who may not actaully have existed as relayed by a man whose job it used to be to kill people who followed said teachings. I've got a way to go before I'm a threat to civilisation.
Eh, it's actually canon. Captain Marvel was not approving of Fate getting a seat in the JLA for coercing Zatara to take on the helmet after he refused to give up Zatanas body.
No, Marvel approved. He raised a concern, then abandoned it. They needed to be unanimous and Nabu got approved.
Killing Zoat's take on Nabu is a public service.
Mr Weisman's take. My take would be far more ambiguous.
 
True, but it's a sensible course of action, and Billy should have been able to see the wisdom in it. Which would be a reasonable excuse to accept him. At the very least, until it becomes unwise.
 
So what did Light stole this time?

I mean it is their whole sthick isn't it? Release a city destroying monster as a diversion and steal something somewhere and then brag about how they are totally wining this thing -which they are actually-.

Really I am surprised JL didn't get the memo the first 3 time this happened. They should come up with an counter to at some point.

More to point it is frustrutaing to readers to see villians just win by doing same thing over and over again and heroes just taking the lumps.
 
So what did Light stole this time?

I mean it is their whole sthick isn't it? Release a city destroying monster as a diversion and steal something somewhere and then brag about how they are totally wining this thing -which they are actually-.

Really I am surprised JL didn't get the memo the first 3 time this happened. They should come up with an counter to at some point.

More to point it is frustrutaing to readers to see villians just win by doing same thing over and over again and heroes just taking the lumps.
I'm wondering how OL is going to react to this. I mean, this is some fucking mass-murdering, genocidal bullshit. The two big tidal waves sent against North America and Africa could have slaughtered 10% of the human race if the heroes weren't on hand to stop it. No idea how many people have died already. Lots of shipping and islands in the Atlantic. The League made an effort to save who they could, but no way they got everyone. Thousands must be dead.

So far it's probably caused less deaths than the World of Children incident, but only through great effort on the heroes part. It could have been sooo much worse.

Seriously, these people need to be put down like dogs. You can not let shit like this go. This is the second major act of genocide the Light are directly responsible for.

OL has a vast xenotech database, plus access to magic users. He could probably grab Lex and brain-hack him easily enough. Extract all the secrets of the Light and slaughter the idiots.
 
So what did Light stole this time?

I mean it is their whole sthick isn't it? Release a city destroying monster as a diversion and steal something somewhere and then brag about how they are totally wining this thing -which they are actually-.

Really I am surprised JL didn't get the memo the first 3 time this happened. They should come up with an counter to at some point.

More to point it is frustrutaing to readers to see villians just win by doing same thing over and over again and heroes just taking the lumps.
I think they're trying to kill the league this time, using a similar plan as their Renagade counterparts.
"Essentially, there's a life form called the King of Tears. It exists in a plane of reality divergent to but accessible from ours. Some time in the fifties a minor supervillain you've probably never heard of teleported there when a minor superhero you've never heard of shot his teleporter with an arrow. He came back a few years ago… Changed. He made contact with Savage, but without Orm or Klarion egging him on he isn't quite dumb enough to make common cause with such a person. Instead, he plans to use him as a lure for his master. And for the Justice League. A few blasts of reality warping power in population centres, then a nice big wibbly-wobbly thingy where they can't help but spot it. The League attack in force, the King of Tears emerges from his portal and kills them all. I come in, use Brain's knowledge of its physics combined with my power ring to kill it… Or send it back, and use my acclaim to become the founder of the new Light-friendly Justice League. The question they were voting on was 'Is it worth the risk?'."
Only since Johnny Sorrow is unavailable in the Paragon timeline, they decided a Titan would do instead.
 
Kinda sad he didn't go full Rings of Akhaten on it, but it was good.
Not a good episode. It should have been the Vampire who put it back to sleep, after reminiscing about events that only the Doctor remembered.
Thousands must be dead.
Actually, no. They had notice, so there were very few ships in the area and they got evacuated. The death toll wasn't all that great. In trying to show that there are things the heroes can't handle, the Light are showing exactly how on top of things they are.
 
The episodes redeeming features were the song and the speech. "You're not a God, you're just a parasite." I'll admit that I skip to those bits.
 
So what did Light stole this time?

I mean it is their whole sthick isn't it? Release a city destroying monster as a diversion and steal something somewhere and then brag about how they are totally wining this thing -which they are actually-.

Really I am surprised JL didn't get the memo the first 3 time this happened. They should come up with an counter to at some point.

More to point it is frustrutaing to readers to see villians just win by doing same thing over and over again and heroes just taking the lumps.

40 cakes.
 
"Paul?" Kon looks at me with eyes that are glowing white ovals.
So Kon has absorbed a LOT of Sun-power from Helios...

How much does anyone want to bet that even after he spends it against Oceanus, it's still going to have quite a few side-effects on him?

Like allowing him to grow and develop, rather than him remaining stuck and stagnant in the biological age forever?

The Sun's all about giving energy to help things grow, after all...besides burning things of course!

Fingers are crossed for Kon to have a kryptonian/saiyan muscle growth-spurt!
 
Irrelevant. Sir, do we stay or go? If go. you'll need to call in Green Lantern C for the evacuation.
No, 'go' here means the go option. If you pick go.
Still needs the comma thing fixed.

Wouldn't h-?

"Warning: plasma density increasing."

When you say 'increasing'-?

"Warning: plasma density increasing significantly."

"
Ah… Kon..?"
Is the ring supposed to be in "speaking out loud" mode here? Doesn't matter when it switched if it is, just want to make sure it's supposed to.

the whole punch things from orbit....
Dynamic Entry, maybe?
 
Dominating and enslaving a persons body is what makes him reprehensible.
You are going to need to provide some explanation if you want to argue that this doesn't come under the heading of 'being an arsehole.'

Making the choice to be a lich that lives on through the domination of other sentient life forms as meat puppets, that's what makes him reprehensible.
I think I see the disconnect here:
Being a lich has nothing to do with body snatching. A lich is (depending on exact source being referenced) a being extending their life by anchoring their mind/spirit/soul/whatever to a physical object, usually called a phylactery. This description fits Nabu, who is a spiritual entity attached to a helmet to maintain his presence in the material universe.

The whole body-puppeting is unrelated and can as easily apply to non-lichs.
Like that guy Grayven met who is just a head riding around on a person grown/mutated specifically for him to use as a mobility rig. Or the G-morphs who ride around on people's shoulders while mind-controlling them.

I have nothing against trying to extend your life as long as possible. I do have things against, once you're dead, trying to live on by enslaving the body of a living person with their own life to live.
So you think it is perfectly fine for living people to enslave the bodies of living people?

Also did Nabu ever actually die in the traditional sense? I was under the impression that he just transferred from a biological life-form to a spiritual life-form attached to a helmet.

Nabu knows that the SI can't use magic. He's perfectly capable of going to Poseidonis and checking his working.
I think it is more that Nabu expects betrayal during the transfer from Zatara's head to the golem than that the golem itself is trapped.
Being helpless, even for a moment, while in the hands of someone you know hates you is a very unsettling prospect.

It was, like, one hour at most.
Truly a paragon of restraint ;)

We only have Nabu's word that that is what Mr Zatara wants.
Shame they don't have a mind reader or a magical lie detector (lie preventer?) on hand to verify that.
 
How much does anyone want to bet that even after he spends it against Oceanus, it's still going to have quite a few side-effects on him?
It would not surprise me, at all, if Helios just gave Kon a titanic equivalent of Divine Awakening. Because gods can do it (at least chinese ones), so why not titans? Either as a side-effect / safety feature (so Kon can survive being filled full of Sun's power) or just because he could (and because Infernal Primordial Exalted are awesome; and because that way Kon is even more like Diana).
Actually, no. They had notice, so there were very few ships in the area and they got evacuated. The death toll wasn't all that great. In trying to show that there are things the heroes can't handle, the Light are showing exactly how on top of things they are.
Speaking of, the consequences, from different perspectives, are going to be a lot of "fun" for everyone:
1) To anyone who doesn't have intimate knowledge of kryptonian biology at the very least, and kryptonian-human-genomorph hybrid biology at best, and also both mystic senses and knowledge of Kon's personal relationship with Helios, ie pretty much everyone not on the Team and outside Themiscyra, it would look like Kryptonians thrown into the sun can super-charge to gigaton level if not beyond (on the assumption that Kal-El would have been stronger, since he's fully kryptonian). Ie Superman's threat ratings will be revised upwards, a lot. Superman being overestimated could be a fun plot-thread.

2) To religious kryptonians (I'm looking at you, farmer lady who hates house of El), assuming they see it, this could be quite disturbing - a half-kryptonian clone being granted a very obvious blessing by a sun god (assuming even they know it's not Rao, and further assuming Helios wasn't in contact with Rao when they did it)

3) To amazons, the world was just saved by their prince wielding a power of a titan when the gods utterly failed, with only one of them even making an appearance. I strongly suspect Helios will receive a lot more worship in coming days, with likely a state-mandated celebration in his name at the very least. Also maybe Poseidon, if he's still alive at all.

And then there are consequences of whatever happens after Oceanus's avatar is disrupted. Because from what I gather, chances are, his power has to be keyed to someone to prevent his reemergance, and the only people even remotely suitable for the role in the general vicinity are: Diana, a young titan herself (basically, Skyrim Dragonborn situation), Sephtian himself, the mage doing the transference, Koryak of Atlantis's royal bloodline (which should give him some mythic oomph), and Canis, a new god. MAYBE Kaldur, but that's less likely. Any of those receiving a large portion of Oceanus's power (at least as large as Poseidon had) would have story consequences.
 
Oh, I bet the Light is piiiiissed
Most of them maybe, Luthor likes keeping Metropolis intact (plus right now he may be having a 'That's my boy!' moment)

Power ring generated environmental sheild

hat's fair. Accepting it from Paul would probably be dumb. Except Nabu has never, in 2000(?) years, tried to make a golem himself. Or ask another, friendly magician to help him. Etc. It's not just him being justifiably wary of Paul.
Keep in mind, the Helmet of Fate was sealed in a tomb for a couple thousand years before Kent found it.
 
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