- Location
- Hampden Park
No. He can't do it himself and there is no one who does that he would trust enough.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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1) While not the only one, ne's one of, if not the most powerful mortalish magic user on Earth. As said, he's Clarion's counter part, and Clarion is a powerhouse.
2) Some of the things Nabu might be doing behind the scenes might only be doable by Nabu. Like, for example, renewing seals on the tomb of Crawling Chaos That Eats Stars or some other ancient beasty; seals created by Nabu himself millenia ago and requiring both order magic in quantities only a Lord is capable of producing and knowledge of anti tampering measures only Nabu has.
3) Earth not falling apart in just fifty years simply indicates that whatever inertia there is to the processes keeping it together covers more than 50 years. After all, it's a relatively short time.
Take Dream. He was gone for longer, and people still dreamed, but one can't argue that he didn't have to expedite all haste in cleaning the mess his absence has created.
Speaking of Dream, and yes, completely different topic, Paul should really try and get the design for whatever circle was used to hold him and, according to him, could hold Death herself. I mean, magic strong enough to bind one of the Endless should be more than enough to hold a lord of chaos/order.
I was thinking more of nabu's death would form a power vacuum. You know like how in most setting whenever a big good or bad dies instead being of sealed or incapacitated crazy things start happening. The opposing side seeing an opportunity and the rules get thrown out because the new guy is usually worst or more powerful. Then an arms race insure until both sides reach a new deadlock.
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Silverias
Seeing is Believing
- Location
- Squiddy Places
No, he said he'd be open to negotiation.
He could still just go "Nope, He stays"
- Location
- Pittsburgh, PA
Lord Kilderkin spewed a load of weasel-worded guff designed to imply a promise of such on his part without actually making any kind of binding statement. To be blunt, he and Nabu collectively give a rather negative impression of the Lords of Order, and Shade the Changing Man is the only data point against writing off the Lords of Chaos, too.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Ehhhhhhh fuck Kilderkin. Fuck the Light. Fuck Luthor. Fuck the Guardians, Apokalips, New gods, Olympians, and the Reach.
Looking forward to the Nabu fight, and then hopefully getting the fuck out to do some faction building afterwards.
Looking forward to the Nabu fight, and then hopefully getting the fuck out to do some faction building afterwards.
Hmm, assuming the Light (or whoever the attackers are) don't know about Team members being attached to Justice League heroes, let's see who's going to have how much trouble:1
1) Squire - depends heavily on whether the attackers know that Superman has a radiation shield. They totally should unless no one tried to use kryptonite or red sun radiation against him in the last several months (speaking of, if Superman is at all intelligent and capable of guile, he'd have spun a tale of "outgrowing" his kryptonite weakness, to prevent someone realizing that his shield has limited power supply; and, in any case, this development should have affected the crime state of Metropolis strongly). In any case, if the attack is using exploits (unless it's the magic exploit, which is, ok, very possible), she might be fine in her invisible phasing power armor. If they are sending someone who could straight up take on Superman (why wasn't Sabbac sent there? He's pretty much hell's analog to Superman's powerset), she's in a lot of trouble.
2) Superboy - should be ok, unless the enemy is using sonic weaponry against Canary, and then his kinetic belt should negate most of the impact (because sound waves are pressure waves)
3) Zatanna - might be in a lot of trouble, because, well, whoever can take Flash is dangerous indeed.
1) Squire - depends heavily on whether the attackers know that Superman has a radiation shield. They totally should unless no one tried to use kryptonite or red sun radiation against him in the last several months (speaking of, if Superman is at all intelligent and capable of guile, he'd have spun a tale of "outgrowing" his kryptonite weakness, to prevent someone realizing that his shield has limited power supply; and, in any case, this development should have affected the crime state of Metropolis strongly). In any case, if the attack is using exploits (unless it's the magic exploit, which is, ok, very possible), she might be fine in her invisible phasing power armor. If they are sending someone who could straight up take on Superman (why wasn't Sabbac sent there? He's pretty much hell's analog to Superman's powerset), she's in a lot of trouble.
2) Superboy - should be ok, unless the enemy is using sonic weaponry against Canary, and then his kinetic belt should negate most of the impact (because sound waves are pressure waves)
3) Zatanna - might be in a lot of trouble, because, well, whoever can take Flash is dangerous indeed.
- Location
- Somewhere out there
What about Wally?
You have no chance to survive make your time.
Silveraith
Argent Phantasm
- Location
- Terra Atlantus
That's a lot of sex, hell most of them don't even look human.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
"What's that glowing ooze in the bottle?"
"In retrospect, I should have been more specific when I asked Chantinelle the ex-Succubus if she 'knew where to get some Demon Jizz', and she told me she had plenty."
- Location
- Oulu
Interesting. Also,
Iunno, just feels like the seed of an apocalypse.
Why are there alarm bells ringing in my mind? What was the exact last order? Consume the portal? Eat the demons?
Iunno, just feels like the seed of an apocalypse.
Halfway towards what? Enlightenment is always about something.
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- texas
Well, don't you find it telling that of the Five Inversions, four of them were demons (or demonic looking alien magic users, I believe DC has been inconsistent there, big surprise)?
Anyway, don't underestimate the manhunters, sure most were of the storm trooper cannon fodder school of thought, but not all of them-
In the comics, they had an android Pan that fooled even Wonder Woman and the other Greek gods, that is until she captured him in her golden lasso, he kept going, and literally tore himself in two, spilling his robotic guts everywhere.
In Legion of Superheroes, it was revealed that Laurel Kent, supposed descendent of Superman and Lois Lane, who inherited kryptonian invulnerability, was not only a manhunter in disguise, but she was sandbagging- She pretty much had the entire Superman package and held her own against the entire Legion of Superheroes, she blew herself up when she figured out she was a thousand years too late to be relevant to the Millennium crossover.
Note- The manhunters were trying to prevent the Guardians of the Universe from having successors, but Krona, during his undead phase as Entropy thanks to Nekron, killed the successors, who were not in fact the New Guardians.
For those interested- Originally after the revelation, there wasn't supposed to be an actual Laurel Kent, but then DC decided there was, the manhunter just locked her in a closet or something and stole her identity, so last seen Laurel was Superwoman of the 31st century, working along side Kent Shakespeare (Superman of the 31st century, and according to word of god, her cousin, possibly several times removed), and the Batman of the 31st century.
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- Pittsburgh, PA
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
They took the field personally.
We've never actually seen Guardians wage a gloves-off campaign of total war; that apparently is what they did.
The Five Inversions were not the totality of the Empire, and the Empire of Tears is supposed to have predated the Guardians intervening on the galactic stage to enforce order and suppress magic.
Unless DC has changed canon again.
You've gotten several answers so far but here's my 2 cents.
the difference between original and revised is a) lots of spelling/grammar errors fixed in the revised one, and b) I believe the original one stopped being updated when Mr Zoat moved to SV.
As for the renegade parts, at first they were just isolated looks intro a parallel timeline with a more direct/aggressive version of the SI (and the Renegade came off as somewhat of a Mary-sue/munchkin because we only saw his 'moments of triumph') But by this point there's been 4 entire episodes focused on him (with occasional Paragon interludes), where we see that he's doing a lot of improvising, panicking, and scrambling for control despite the 'just as planned' attitude he projects.
the two versions of Paul also stumble across different bits of background material that is likely to exist in both timelines, so skipping the Renegade stuff means missing out on some of the world building.
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- Somewhere out there
I don't think Paul's own soul is orange. Orange-flavored, perhaps, but not entirely orange.
That said, the remaining answer to the question is "well of course there will be." But what will that do? Who knows.
Actually it is; it's come up in-story.
Note the bolded.
Note the unreliable narrator.
- Location
- Somewhere out there
In particular, note the level-100-Articuno metaphor. Whatever Paul's organic soul is made of, the heart of the Ophidian kinda overwhelms it.
Undermined (supplementary, Renegade option)
- Location
- Hampden Park
18th June
10:47 GMT -6
Lex waves at me languidly with his right hand. "So, what do you think of our colleague's work?"
On my side of the secure communication link I hold up the data stick containing Brain's attempt to calculate the possible dimensional topography of the King of Tears. "It's… Impressive. Calculating theoretical models for parallel universes about which so little is known…"
"I understand that he had some assistance from Klarion in gathering the original data."
"And suddenly I'm less impressed."
"Mordru checked it. It's all a little… Beyond me, I'm afraid." He shifts in his seat. "I realise that you are -quite understandably- upset about being excluded from the decision making on this."
I nod. "What was the vote?"
"The vote was on whether or not to use this method to destroy the Justice League, if it became plausible."
"No, I mean… Who voted yea and who voted nay?"
There's a very slight tensing of the skin around his eyes, but it vanishes as swiftly as it appears. "I'm not sure that it.. really matters."
"I can ask Brain for the discussion logs. I just thought that I'd be courteous about it and ask you directly."
"Very well. Savage, Ra's, Ocean Master, Brain and Klarion were in favor, while Queen Bee and I were against." Somehow I'm not surprised. The lunatics, immortals and the one being who might quite like learning what existing in eighteen dimensions is like. "To tell the truth, I'm still a little concerned. How do you rate your chances?"
"Difficult to say for sure. Assuming that Brain's calculations are mostly or entirely correct, I give myself an eighty percent chance of killing the King of Tears with damage to our side being within acceptable parameters. A few percent more with the damage being significant but survivable. My death, that of my field team, up to forty percent of the Human population of this world… After that, things get exceedingly dicey."
"The population was three billion in the nineteen sixties."
"That's why I consider that a victory worth measuring. Dicier is eighty to ninety percent, which would destroy the current Human civilisation. Dicier is the King of Tears being here long enough to permanently warp local space and killing everyone who could do something about it. Dicier is the eight percent chance that the King of Tears wins outright. And that's assuming that Brain's calculations are accurate. You can shave five percent or so off for every minute the revisions take, assuming that Father Box can continue to function in close proximity to it. And then they could be wildly out."
"Ploong."
I nod. "Quite."
Lex lightly strokes his chin with his right forefinger. "I take it then that you don't think this is a worthwhile endeavor."
"What are the League preventing us doing right now?"
He gives his head a very slight shake. "It isn't what they're actively preventing us from doing. It's about what they are passively discouraging the Human race from doing."
"Have you been convinced, then, since the original vote?"
"I'd rather the chance of victory was higher than eighty percent, but even if it is…" He makes a small shrug. "That's a four in five chance that the next day you'll be the head of the new Justice League and the biggest obstacle to our advancement of humanity will be gone."
Third biggest, right after Human nature and people like the Light. "I realise that there isn't anyone better to calculate this sort of thing than Brain,-" Except possibly Doctor Thaddeus Bodog Sivana, and I can't find him. "-but I know that you employ a good many members of the second tier of physicists. I would appreciate it greatly if you could ask them to go over his work."
He nods. "That's reasonable. It would be rather embarrassing to make a mistake here because his gorilla smudged his printout."
"Thank you. I'll feel slightly better knowing that a few more pairs of eyes have gone over this."
"It's no trouble. Was there anything else you wanted to ask?"
"No, that's it. Thank you for speaking with me." He nods politely, then deactivates the link from his side.
Hm.
Father Box, Hush Tube.
Ploong.
I rise from my chair, turn and walk through the Tube into the White House's secure briefing room.
18th June
11:50 GMT -5
Jon fans out his hands as I walk through. "Well? Good news or bad?"
"Lex says that he voted against." I tilt my head slightly to the right as I walk around to take my seat. "It's probably true, both because that would be in character and because he knows that I can check."
General Lane nods. "And the rest?"
"All in favour."
Adrian shakes his head. "I still don't think I understand what they were voting on."
"Essentially, there's a life form called the King of Tears. It exists in a plane of reality divergent to but accessible from ours. Some time in the fifties a minor supervillain you've probably never heard of teleported there when a minor superhero you've never heard of shot his teleporter with an arrow. He came back a few years ago… Changed. He made contact with Savage, but without Orm or Klarion egging him on he isn't quite dumb enough to make common cause with such a person. Instead, he plans to use him as a lure for his master. And for the Justice League. A few blasts of reality warping power in population centres, then a nice big wibbly-wobbly thingy where they can't help but spot it. The League attack in force, the King of Tears emerges from his portal and kills them all. I come in, use Brain's knowledge of its physics combined with my power ring to kill it… Or send it back, and use my acclaim to become the founder of the new Light-friendly Justice League. The question they were voting on was 'Is it worth the risk?'."
General Lane exhales sharply through his teeth. "I still say we should go after Luthor along with the rest. If he knew about this all along, that's treason and all kinds of other offences."
Caroline shakes her head. "Not unless we're at war with the… Subtle Realms. We might be able to get him on terrorism charges, though." She looks at me. "Do you know how great his direct involvement is?"
"As far as I can tell, very little. That's intentional on the Light's part, the public face doesn't involve himself directly in the most vile aspects of the work either in person or resources. Plus, he could always claim that he was doing what I am, waiting until a better time to act. That conviction might be a long time coming, and I doubt that it would really stop him."
Jon holds up his right hand. "We'll table the Luthor matter for now. What about the rest?"
Caroline indicates several large folders in front of her. "An attorney who only just passed their bar exam could convict the rest. Even Mordru, and that's without us having to use those anti-witchcraft laws too. These people are evil."
"Adrian?"
"Senator Knight's been falling over himself to help out, sir. We won't be able to get the Destructive Persons Act through in time for this, but it should be law before the end of the year."
"Grayven? You sure about the timeline? If we had fifty days or so we could probably get a placeholder law passed to cover this."
I shake my head. "I'm sorry sir. I had enough difficulty persuading them to give me a month."
"Very well then. General."
"Mister President."
"It has been brought to my attention that a group calling itself 'The Light' is assisting a foreign power to invade the territory of the United States. As Commander in Chief, I order you to use any and all means to prevent this from occurring."
General Lane smiles. "Yes sir."
10:47 GMT -6
Lex waves at me languidly with his right hand. "So, what do you think of our colleague's work?"
On my side of the secure communication link I hold up the data stick containing Brain's attempt to calculate the possible dimensional topography of the King of Tears. "It's… Impressive. Calculating theoretical models for parallel universes about which so little is known…"
"I understand that he had some assistance from Klarion in gathering the original data."
"And suddenly I'm less impressed."
"Mordru checked it. It's all a little… Beyond me, I'm afraid." He shifts in his seat. "I realise that you are -quite understandably- upset about being excluded from the decision making on this."
I nod. "What was the vote?"
"The vote was on whether or not to use this method to destroy the Justice League, if it became plausible."
"No, I mean… Who voted yea and who voted nay?"
There's a very slight tensing of the skin around his eyes, but it vanishes as swiftly as it appears. "I'm not sure that it.. really matters."
"I can ask Brain for the discussion logs. I just thought that I'd be courteous about it and ask you directly."
"Very well. Savage, Ra's, Ocean Master, Brain and Klarion were in favor, while Queen Bee and I were against." Somehow I'm not surprised. The lunatics, immortals and the one being who might quite like learning what existing in eighteen dimensions is like. "To tell the truth, I'm still a little concerned. How do you rate your chances?"
"Difficult to say for sure. Assuming that Brain's calculations are mostly or entirely correct, I give myself an eighty percent chance of killing the King of Tears with damage to our side being within acceptable parameters. A few percent more with the damage being significant but survivable. My death, that of my field team, up to forty percent of the Human population of this world… After that, things get exceedingly dicey."
"The population was three billion in the nineteen sixties."
"That's why I consider that a victory worth measuring. Dicier is eighty to ninety percent, which would destroy the current Human civilisation. Dicier is the King of Tears being here long enough to permanently warp local space and killing everyone who could do something about it. Dicier is the eight percent chance that the King of Tears wins outright. And that's assuming that Brain's calculations are accurate. You can shave five percent or so off for every minute the revisions take, assuming that Father Box can continue to function in close proximity to it. And then they could be wildly out."
"Ploong."
I nod. "Quite."
Lex lightly strokes his chin with his right forefinger. "I take it then that you don't think this is a worthwhile endeavor."
"What are the League preventing us doing right now?"
He gives his head a very slight shake. "It isn't what they're actively preventing us from doing. It's about what they are passively discouraging the Human race from doing."
"Have you been convinced, then, since the original vote?"
"I'd rather the chance of victory was higher than eighty percent, but even if it is…" He makes a small shrug. "That's a four in five chance that the next day you'll be the head of the new Justice League and the biggest obstacle to our advancement of humanity will be gone."
Third biggest, right after Human nature and people like the Light. "I realise that there isn't anyone better to calculate this sort of thing than Brain,-" Except possibly Doctor Thaddeus Bodog Sivana, and I can't find him. "-but I know that you employ a good many members of the second tier of physicists. I would appreciate it greatly if you could ask them to go over his work."
He nods. "That's reasonable. It would be rather embarrassing to make a mistake here because his gorilla smudged his printout."
"Thank you. I'll feel slightly better knowing that a few more pairs of eyes have gone over this."
"It's no trouble. Was there anything else you wanted to ask?"
"No, that's it. Thank you for speaking with me." He nods politely, then deactivates the link from his side.
Hm.
Father Box, Hush Tube.
Ploong.
I rise from my chair, turn and walk through the Tube into the White House's secure briefing room.
18th June
11:50 GMT -5
Jon fans out his hands as I walk through. "Well? Good news or bad?"
"Lex says that he voted against." I tilt my head slightly to the right as I walk around to take my seat. "It's probably true, both because that would be in character and because he knows that I can check."
General Lane nods. "And the rest?"
"All in favour."
Adrian shakes his head. "I still don't think I understand what they were voting on."
"Essentially, there's a life form called the King of Tears. It exists in a plane of reality divergent to but accessible from ours. Some time in the fifties a minor supervillain you've probably never heard of teleported there when a minor superhero you've never heard of shot his teleporter with an arrow. He came back a few years ago… Changed. He made contact with Savage, but without Orm or Klarion egging him on he isn't quite dumb enough to make common cause with such a person. Instead, he plans to use him as a lure for his master. And for the Justice League. A few blasts of reality warping power in population centres, then a nice big wibbly-wobbly thingy where they can't help but spot it. The League attack in force, the King of Tears emerges from his portal and kills them all. I come in, use Brain's knowledge of its physics combined with my power ring to kill it… Or send it back, and use my acclaim to become the founder of the new Light-friendly Justice League. The question they were voting on was 'Is it worth the risk?'."
General Lane exhales sharply through his teeth. "I still say we should go after Luthor along with the rest. If he knew about this all along, that's treason and all kinds of other offences."
Caroline shakes her head. "Not unless we're at war with the… Subtle Realms. We might be able to get him on terrorism charges, though." She looks at me. "Do you know how great his direct involvement is?"
"As far as I can tell, very little. That's intentional on the Light's part, the public face doesn't involve himself directly in the most vile aspects of the work either in person or resources. Plus, he could always claim that he was doing what I am, waiting until a better time to act. That conviction might be a long time coming, and I doubt that it would really stop him."
Jon holds up his right hand. "We'll table the Luthor matter for now. What about the rest?"
Caroline indicates several large folders in front of her. "An attorney who only just passed their bar exam could convict the rest. Even Mordru, and that's without us having to use those anti-witchcraft laws too. These people are evil."
"Adrian?"
"Senator Knight's been falling over himself to help out, sir. We won't be able to get the Destructive Persons Act through in time for this, but it should be law before the end of the year."
"Grayven? You sure about the timeline? If we had fifty days or so we could probably get a placeholder law passed to cover this."
I shake my head. "I'm sorry sir. I had enough difficulty persuading them to give me a month."
"Very well then. General."
"Mister President."
"It has been brought to my attention that a group calling itself 'The Light' is assisting a foreign power to invade the territory of the United States. As Commander in Chief, I order you to use any and all means to prevent this from occurring."
General Lane smiles. "Yes sir."
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