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I can almost hear General Lane's murder-boner.

Considering in the comics General Lane threatened to make his daughter disappear forever, conducted human experiments on his own daughter, blew up a planet, committed genocide, and brainwashed Captain Atom to give him to an alien despot, I've been wondering if this version of General Lane is actually sane or just much better at hiding severe mental issues.
 
I wonder if any of the Light Paragon-side are rational enough to have noticed that OL is busily disproving their entire idea that the JL is holding back humanity? After all, OL is working to uplift humanity, with a notable lack of any kind of pushback from the League. Considering that they could just have told him "stop" and he'd have felt obligated to obey until his year is up that's pretty telling; the JL is a symptom of the problem, not the cause. When they activated that Bleed Generator facility, it wasn't the JL they were worried about interfering; it was supervillains like the Light.

Really, they are just doing the supervillain thing of blaming the failure of their agenda on the heroes instead of themselves and their insistence on insane "solutions" instead of practical ones. Batman's not going to swoop in and stop Ra's from distributing birth control and sex education pamphlets.
 
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Really, they are just doing the supervillain thing of blaming the failure of their agenda of the heroes instead of themselves and their insistence on insane "solutions" instead of practical ones. Batman's not going to swoop in and stop Ra's from distributing birth control and sex education pamphlets.

It seems you've missed the point of their argument.

They aren't arguing that the JL is a boot on the neck of humanity forever.

Their argument is that as long as superheroes like the Justice League are running around, people will be too lazy to fix the big problems themselves.

Ozone layer gone? Why do something to fix that when you can just wait for "fix ozone layer man" to do the job for you?

So their claim is that humanity will never grow up as a species as long as humanity lets metahumanity change their collective diaper and pre-chew their food.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

As for actively opposing their plans, that's because their plans are supervillainous.

Ra's could solve world hunger and overpopulation in one go by asking Brain to come up with an easily produced food that covers all nutritional requirements, but lowers fertility, and deliver it for free to everyone in the world that can't afford normal food.

But no, it's death ray satellites and activating supervolcanoes and all that nonsense instead.

And that's when you give them the benefit of the doubt that their "caring for humanity" isn't just a thinly disguised excuse to gather power and money for themselves.
 
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It seems you've missed the point of their argument.

They aren't arguing that the JL is a boot on the neck of humanity forever.

Their argument is that as long as superheroes like the Justice League are running around, people will be too lazy to fix the big problems themselves.
But that's my point; OL is busy getting people to fix their own problems, and encouraging them to go farther; without the JL doing a thing to stop him. Instead of making noises about the matter but not actually accomplishing anything.

The supervillains are also ignoring that the actual big problem that the JL is there to deal with is, well, them. If Earth 16 humanity ever got to the point where it didn't need the JL, most of the Light would (probably to their complete surprise) be quite screwed, since they'd be high on the list of problems to be dealt with. "No one is super if everyone is super" applies to supervillains too.
 
Also, when they start building super death lasers and activating megavolcanos of doom, they lose that benefit of the doubt.
 
I wonder if any of the Light Paragon-side are rational enough to have noticed that OL is busily disproving their entire idea that the JL is holding back humanity? After all, OL is working to uplift humanity, with a notable lack of any kind of pushback from the League. Considering that they could just have told him "stop" and he'd have felt obligated to obey until his year is up that's pretty telling; the JL is a symptom of the problem, not the cause. When they activated that Bleed Generator facility, it wasn't the JL they were worried about interfering; it was supervillains like the Light.

Really, they are just doing the supervillain thing of blaming the failure of their agenda of the heroes instead of themselves and their insistence on insane "solutions" instead of practical ones. Batman's not going to swoop in and stop Ra's from distributing birth control and sex education pamphlets.
I'm fairly certain Zoat said that Lex has either reached this conclusion already, or will soon.

This will of course make him regret not taking OL up on his desperate plea earlier.
 
But that's my point; OL is busy getting people to fix their own problems, and encouraging them to go farther; without the JL doing a thing to stop him. Instead of making noises about the matter but not actually accomplishing anything.

The point I stated, that humanity would be (and should be) doing this already if not for superheroes is in no way contradicted by Paul, a superhero, holding people's hands so that they'd do something.

What would refute that argument is if these people did it by themselves with no superhero involvement whatsoever.

Which isn't happening, which is why Paul stepped in, which means Paul's progress in fact proves the point- They were waiting for a superhero instead of doing it themselves.

Which means no, that is not the point you've expressed. Because Paul confirms the point I expressed.

The point you've expressed is that they could do this legally and legitimately and that the League couldn't stop them, which is true, but doesn't contradict the above point.

They're supervillains, if they did things legally and legitimately they wouldn't be supervillains, they'd be law abiding citizens with odd fashion choices and perhaps some personality quirks like talking in third person.
 
So how would the Light handle the Green Lantern Corps showing up because they killed at least one Lantern possibly more? Have they considered the fact the Corps might not be happy about losing 1-3 members?
 
So how would the Light handle the Green Lantern Corps showing up because they killed at least one Lantern possibly more? Have they considered the fact the Corps might not be happy about losing 1-3 members?

Also does the Light know if the Guardians know about the King of Tears or not? Because if the Guardians are aware and have protocols in place for extradimensional incursions by outside entities, that could trigger a GLC intervention, or something.

The Light has a very narrow and Earth-centric view that doesn't take into account outside context problems as much as they should. Butterfly effects and blowback.

The League is made up of strong and versatile people, and for all that they moan about heroes holding humanity back, they have not much of a plan to fill that vacuum. Presumably because if they want a new Light controlled replacement League, they don't want it so powerful as to turn on them. But then it's use is diminished because the new League is not strong enough for whatever Righteous Face Punching that's actually needed.

The Light are just vice disguising themselves as virtue, and badly at that. If you run a bicyclist off the road but they live because they wore a helmet, shit's not cool because you still ran them off the road.
 
I can picture Grayven going to the Watchmen universe. "Oh great, this again? At least it's fake this time..."
I wonder how Zoat would handle imminent nuclear war between nations.

Doctor Manhattan was alleged to not being capable of stopping the Soviet arsenal (which is strange because he can teleport and duplicate himself.)

I wonder if a power ring user would fare better?
 
Funny thing...

The end-goal of the King of Tears plan is to set up Graven as the head of a replacement Justice League. If what Graven is doing right now with the U.S. Government works out, he will be in a great position to be leader of a team that stands as an alternative to the JL. If it weren't for the whole bit about supposedly being an alien prince and not a U.S. citizen, I'd expect him to become the leader of a state-sponsored team.
 
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