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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Kinda seemed like both to me, I think Kon is painting the target.
Jamie Roberts
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A lot. A lot of energy. Possibly even an excessive amount.
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In the mainline Comics, this is true, in the YJ universe?
"He continued his life as a superhero though, fashioning himself a new helmet that covered only half his face, but had no connection to Nabu. He used his own mystical knowledge and the powers absorbed when he wore the helmet, but they were nowhere near his old level." Greg Weisman.
Perhaps your magic eight ball is broken.
And you do realize that Kent took the helmet off in 45, right? You do realize that the other alternative is that he was an immense asshole who denied the world a superhero for 65 straight years, and so has the blood of everyone Fate could have saved in 6 and a half decades, yes?
The Chosen One
Yes, THAT One.
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I even heard, and don't quote me on this, that it may even be over 9000.
Yeah, I quoted 'im. It's okay, though, I did it ironically.
Continuity aside, Kent's an alright guy and still would be if he had shelved his hero identiy with the helmet.
Like, what, is Jay Garrick an asshole for retiring? What about Red Typhoon guy? Cornwall Senior? I mean, he's not my favorite character, but he's not obligated to risk his life and he's not responsible for the actions of criminal others. Heroes are chosen, by themselves.
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Shouldn't those be Green?
The Chosen One
Yes, THAT One.
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Paul's communicating via an unearthly technology while standing next to the sun; it should be no surprise some colour was lost in transmission.
OrangeText only comes in one colour, anyway
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Beta Mu
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Yeah, Kon seemed really annoyed. I have no idea about that shadowy group of villains, though.
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PostwarGryphon
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Something tells me that Darksied sending one of those Sun-Monsters to Earth now in the Paragon timeline would not have the same affect as it did in the Renegade timeline.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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No. The blood is only on the hands of those who spilt it. I was going to yadda yadda yadda on about it, but in essence it all boils down to; you are only responsible for your own actions. Even those who kill people, at the behest of others, are still the only people responsible for the killing.
It took you a while Zoat, but you did it. You finally made Kon go
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First of all, Jay Garrick, Red Typhoon, and Cornwall Senior didn't leave someone in sensory deprivation for 65 years.
Cornwall Senior did train a successor, just badly.
How exactly how would Torpedo pass on his powers? Let someone vivisect him? Yeah, I'm sure lots of people would jump at that opportunity...
As for Jay? In YJ continuity, Jay didn't actually retire until Barry replaced him. Which Barry was able to do because Jay told him about his origin, which resulted in Barry, then Wally, then Bart. So Jay was a superhero up until the year 2000, and his actions resulted in three successors. So you think this is similar to hypothetical Kent Nelson who retired in 45 and failed to find a successor in 65 years how exactly?
As for Alan, his ring is the only thing keeping him alive, not the case with Nelson, considering in DC there are sorcerers from before the fall of Atlantis still running around.
I'm pretty sure that pretty much every country on the planet disagrees with you there, so I'm in good company it seems in finding that reasoning complete unmitigated nonsense.
No one put a gun to Nelson's head to keep Nabu in sensory deprivation for 65 years. No one put a gun to Nelson's head to apparently wait 65 years to find a successor. So he made those decisions daily for 65 freaking years.
And as you just typed, people are responsible for their own actions.
Now since he was busy superheroing for who knows how much of that 65 years, well that's far different than Nelson twiddling his thumbs for 65 years.
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RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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A lich in sensory deprivation. It should have passed on.
Nabu is, essentially, a paraplegic. He's completely immobile on his own. Kent was acting, in effect, as his warden / caretaker, lending him his body as a mobility system. And while he wasn't obligated to provide him his body, an argument can be easily made, both morally and legally, that he was obligated to at least try to provide Nabu a replacement mobility aid system (a golem body for example).
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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He's an immobile lich. He lived his life as a lord of order from a different planet, and then took over the body of another on earth, and continued that way, acting through an entitled belief that he deserves to use anothers life. What HE should have done is taught apprentices both as Nabu on earth, and in any of the thousands of years he's lived. So that HE could be replaced. He didn't, because he's a parasite. Typical Lawful Stupid attitude towards planning for the future.
I doubt any legal argument can be made, but I'd love to see even a bare bones attempt at one.
I doubt any legal argument can be made, but I'd love to see even a bare bones attempt at one.
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I'm not sure, actually. Given how Orm was talking, it's quite possible that whatever "clever" plan they'd come up with had already gone off the rails. They may have been wondering what to do about an out-of-control Titan because their Titan-summoner bit off more than he could chew and got turned into Oceanus' puppet.
They might well be secretly relieved that the heroes look like they may be able to clean up their mess.
So, just to make sure, you are against life extension technology? Artificial hearts are an abomination amiright? Because what is the helmet of Fate other than an arcane life support system? Tell me, what's a fundamental difference between replacing your body with cybernetics (Cyborg) and placing your mind into an enchanted helmet?
I find the morality of "you lived too long and used unconventional life support system, you are morally obligated to die" abhorrent.
Depending on sapient hosts to walk around is morally dubious, golems would be better, but it's a nuanced situation.
Thanatos757
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Yes.
Also, I welcome Kon into the ranks of Solar Exalted. Long may he use Glorious Solar Bullshit.
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Solar? Kon is literally using Universe Emperor Shintai. I mean, like, straight from the books:
Or maybe Demon-Emperor Shintai. The point is, Kon is very much an Infernal Exalted of Helios, not a Solar Exalted.
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It's ring-to-ring communication coming out of an orange ring. So no.
You have to build up to these things.
That's... That's not going to happen for while, and they're not exactly the focus of the episode.
Nah, they've probably only just started drinking...
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I said "Can't wait" and I meant it! YOU BETTER DELIVER! Rabblerabble!
(I know it's not for a long time, it was just something you mentioned I found cool)
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