Odd how often people forget that.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Odd how often people forget that.
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He isn't. I'll correct it.
I think -given the rhetorical style he was using- that it's okay.
This is actually an important plot point: Horne is now convinced that following General Lane's suggestion of declaring supervillains enemies of the state is the correct thing to do. He just declared war on SHADE, and is required US citizens with 'joint nationality' to pick a side.
TheLastOne
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Well, he's never going to get a freer hand then what he has right now - he should be able to pull on a rally around the flag for a month or two, before political realities set in. He should go for broke during that time I suppose.
From your quote:
Most =/= All.
The FBI's predecessor agency, the Bureau of Investigation, was formed in 1908 while Congress was on summer vacation.
You will notice there is no enabling act for the FBI, and that it is a part of the Department of Justice.
Expect the DEO to play more or less the same role, under the DoJ or another cabinet-level department.
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Huh... I guess I was wrong.
I figured that when you said that Grayven would end up shouting at the Source Wall, it was an oblique future reference to the event where he ended up shouting his original name to force himself into unconsciousness to prevent himself getting sucked into the Source Wall. I thought that it was you saying, "From this point onwards, he's no longer Grayven: he's his own man now."
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All it takes is one egocentric butthurt very likely republican congressman to start a domino chain of obstructionism that could hold up the authorization of the DEO for possibly the entire remainder of Horne's term in office.
Why would he risk it when he could avoid the whole problem by just admitting that he needs their cooperation?
But it's going to get any cases they make thrown out and Horne slapped down by the Supreme court.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't 1908 before 1946 when the Administrative Procedure Act was put in place?
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How very Grayven.
Possibly for the best but very risky either way.
Declaring war on people has a habit of ending with bodies all over the place.
He just came from a kidnapping where he was being set up to be replaced by a robot and then likely killed. I'm pretty sure the american public is going to give him a pass on forgetting some of the legal niceitys of things, ESPECIALLY since it was a federal orginization that did the kidnapping.
Mind you it will create a raging debate, but expect Horne supporters to use SHADE being a federal agency as a club just like the GOP used 9-11 as one against any dem opposition to their agenda during W's term. in the short term it will be fairly effective, long term tho? who knows, depends on how successful Hornes actions are.
IANAL, but the APA regulates the function of agencies.
It does not regulate the establishment of agencies.
Quoting the wiki article:
Nothing about establishing them, or a requirement for legislative consent in their establishment.
It may be good politics to involve Congress(especially since they hold financial power), but it is not required, especially if the agency is acting under existing legislation.
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Simmr001
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that republican could be accused of being unpatriotic. from an outsiders perspective thats going for the jugular in us politics isn't it.
Pretty dirty trick from Horne and Grayven to Senator Knight, he thought he'll appear to talk to the president but instead he's put on the stage while Horne directs the whole blame to him and Cray. I really hope this comes to bite Horne on the ass during the face to face talks afterwards. I'd pretty much expect Knight to make a fuss and get some concessions out of it.
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"Supported by XYZ" is a terrible terrible argument.which is why someone who is supported by the KKK and LITERAL Nazi's and has committed actual treason, is becoming president
If there are only two choices and one is more authoritarian (for example) than the other but they are otherwise the same, then the Nazis will support that one. It doesn't mean that the chosen one embodies any other Nazi ideal (e.g. genocide of gypsies).
Also, he hasn't committed treason.
He isn't on stage, he's to the side with Grayven. Horne specifically said he'd talk to Knight after his speech.
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Yeah. Knight is cursing because he understands public PR.. a President surviving a kidnapping and Rescue attempt is a boost.. the Attempt being made by a shadowy federal agency and the president coming out of his rescue PISSED AS ALL HELL and turning over the rock to expose the rotton villians? Thats about as perfect a politcal PR coup as you can ask for.
And then using said positive PR he cast Knight and Cray into a negative light AND by doing so in the same speech as exposing SHADE there will be a subtle encouragment to link the two int he voting publics mind. Knight just saw his chances in the next election tank utterly and publicly now has to be somewhat supportive of Horne or risk the idea of 'Maybe he is in on it with SHADE' concept to gain more solidity in the publics mind. And he damn well knows it.
Of course he is slightly better off than Cray. Rallying against magic users after Roanoke is a lot less likely to be linked to 'rogue federal agency' than 'forced parahuman recruitment.
XkaliburRage
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Could someone tell me what are Zoat's plans in ending the story?
Because people don't want to be told that things are being done and that things have improved or that the price of dirt cheap products is outsourcing the labour to durka-durkastan. That people don't like being told that the world doesn't revolve around them (there is a far bit of evidence that thinking about race shifts your views to the right).
They want someone to tell them that it's someone else's fault, that he'll get those hypocrites on the hill and make em' pay. That there's a magic fix for everything. That he's not like all those other fat cat business men who are only in it for themselves. All you have to do is listen to the ranting madman with bad hair; not that one the recent one.
The election wasn't about rational reasoned thought it was about who was the bigger and better BS salesman. One sad part of elections is that people usually vote for what sounds better note not on what could be delivered. Plus the electoral college devalues individual votes and discourages voter turnout. In some of the smaller states you vote is worth much much more than somewhere than new York.
Wow... that got out of hand.
SO lets Tally up what SHADE's lost here in their big gamble at the Game of Thrones.
-the SHADE-UK link, You can bet UK goverment will be screaming to teh high heavens how SHADE 'tricked them' into thinking Grayven wasup to no good (Keep in mind one of their justifications to their agents was 'Fear of Grayven doing some unknown influence on the POTUS)... Its almost a certaintiy UK cult is going to throw SHADE under the bus in the behind the scenes scramble to retain power.
-pretty much the majoirty of their rank and file intel resources in the US goverment, turning themselves in. worse probably some mid level SHADE operatives will surrender or abandon the cause for various reasons, which will probably comprimise who knows how many operations.
-Horne mentioned the possibility of other US goverment officals already having been robo-replaced.... and its likely to have Grayven or call in the JL to vet the authenticity of senators and house memebrs ASAP., SO any Robo dopplengagers already in play are likely to be exposed shortly.
-They lost Paragon... a hard counter for the majority of cape heavy hitters
-They are now offically a criminal orginization (Yes Horne may not technically be able to do this legally on his own... but any senator or rep opposing this when it hits the senate WILL be committing political suicide and they well know it. Even a poison pill or anonymity is not a guarantee because the public will be riled up and any stalling will be demanded to know WHY. Its going to sail through house and congress)
-The Light now know they exist.. illuminati organizations do not well tolerate each other. Plus Lex is paranoid enough to assume he would have been on the list to be 'robo-replaced'. Hell Mordru may screw over SHADE simply for the amusement of staining the reputation of his old foes a bit by airing the dirty laundry of their ex support agency and starting a 'how clean was the all star squadron?' conspiracys.
This is not a good day for SHADE. They probably aren't out of the game, but they took a heavy loss here.
-the SHADE-UK link, You can bet UK goverment will be screaming to teh high heavens how SHADE 'tricked them' into thinking Grayven wasup to no good (Keep in mind one of their justifications to their agents was 'Fear of Grayven doing some unknown influence on the POTUS)... Its almost a certaintiy UK cult is going to throw SHADE under the bus in the behind the scenes scramble to retain power.
-pretty much the majoirty of their rank and file intel resources in the US goverment, turning themselves in. worse probably some mid level SHADE operatives will surrender or abandon the cause for various reasons, which will probably comprimise who knows how many operations.
-Horne mentioned the possibility of other US goverment officals already having been robo-replaced.... and its likely to have Grayven or call in the JL to vet the authenticity of senators and house memebrs ASAP., SO any Robo dopplengagers already in play are likely to be exposed shortly.
-They lost Paragon... a hard counter for the majority of cape heavy hitters
-They are now offically a criminal orginization (Yes Horne may not technically be able to do this legally on his own... but any senator or rep opposing this when it hits the senate WILL be committing political suicide and they well know it. Even a poison pill or anonymity is not a guarantee because the public will be riled up and any stalling will be demanded to know WHY. Its going to sail through house and congress)
-The Light now know they exist.. illuminati organizations do not well tolerate each other. Plus Lex is paranoid enough to assume he would have been on the list to be 'robo-replaced'. Hell Mordru may screw over SHADE simply for the amusement of staining the reputation of his old foes a bit by airing the dirty laundry of their ex support agency and starting a 'how clean was the all star squadron?' conspiracys.
This is not a good day for SHADE. They probably aren't out of the game, but they took a heavy loss here.
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Because he just got kidnapped by a supervillain federal agent, basically.
Whether this is successful or not, in a few days he's going to look back on this and say 'Dear Lord, what was I thinking?'.
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Of course this sort of emotional take charge counter action plays VERY well with the American public so he probably will get away with it. Especially since the natural narrative among the public for any delays or blocking shenagians would be "You want to oppose making SHADE illegal? What are you one of their flunkies or approve of them trying to replace the POTUS????"
And heaven help any opposition if robot dopplegangers are discovered elsewhere in senate. house, or high end appointees.
just take how Rove used 9-11 against any opposition for the first year as a good template for how this si going to play out int he halls of congress. now longer term politcally is much more questionable, but short term its pretty much a neigh unstoppable politcal PR juggernaught
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the idiot had a literally godlike power, and he wasted his fucking life as a supervillen. he kidnapped the fucking president of the USA!
brain power my fucking ass >.>
his INT may have been high, but i bet his WIS score on his sheet is a 4 at BEST, more likly a ONE
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I will be really surprised if they don't.
Meh, it's not like the current President Elect really wants it, we'll make space.
Not <18 cheerleaders, but <18 beauty pageant contestants. And the sex is not confirmed, he might have been joking about that, but he admitted to walking on them while they were changing clothes. Purposefully.
Cornuthaum
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Because there is no justice (league)
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Y'know, it's funny.
The Paragon is more buddy buddy with Republican senator Knight.
The Renegade is more buddy buddy with the Democrat President Horne.
That's not how I'd have predicted that to go.
The Paragon is more buddy buddy with Republican senator Knight.
The Renegade is more buddy buddy with the Democrat President Horne.
That's not how I'd have predicted that to go.
Meh, both of them are more buddy buddy with the one they happened to talk to first. And that is kinda how I would expect it, both Knight and Horne are professionals at getting people to like them, really.
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