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I was also trying to depict the SI as having trouble relating to regular people, but I think I may have overshot the mark a little.
Having trouble relating to normal people would be Harley having a bit of a nervous breakdown over everything now that the Adrenalin rush has worn off and the SI not understanding that that sort of day wasn't normal for most people.

This is just well, super dense harem protagonist territory.
 
OL/Zatanna is dead and buried, and all the mourners have up and left.
OL/Harleen is at the very least being lowered into the ground

OL/Anyone else is currently lying in the casket as the preacher goes on about how it was a good ship and will be missed by many.
 
When a woman says be blunt, be tactful. Unless she's telling you to be blunt to someone she doesn't like, then rip into them.
i know that may be what your little sister or equivalent wants when she says things like that but when someone claiming to be a adult says thing they mean them and then need to stand by them.
she said she could take his most blunt. Paul laid out his fears in the most blunt way possible.
and to which no one thought getting told to go to hell in response was unusual, isn't that just a bit sad?
Um.

Maybe a bit?

I was also trying to depict the SI as having trouble relating to regular people, but I think I may have overshot the mark a little.
you didn't, it's just that people tend to not like other people not conforming to their... allowances i think is the right word? like how even when someone has a legitimate flaw you can't point it out if they have been in a war or something, either that or the ones other people have that they put have effort into making a instinct, that tends to set them of too, i like to think of it as 'memetically/culturally induced stress disorder' just to give it the weight i think it deserves.
*Sociopath as in can't understand social motivation
.....if you understand social motivation but don't understand why people think it should be a factor that effects a persons decision making does that count?
 
So, I don't know how to people. I'm incredibly bad at face-to-face social interaction, all signs to the contrary are my having learned via imitation over the years and even after two decades there's still things I don't get that most people half my age understand almost instinctively. I'm better over the Internet, because my apparently-off-putting body language and my RBF and natural monotone aren't factors through textual communication, but it's still something of a problem.

So, when I read through a chapter and empathise with the SI more than I ever have before for making the exact social mistake I've made more than once (too much disclosure with too little filter in the wrong situation after being given permission to be blunt), and then see four pages of people calling that "too far" and "unrealistic" and saying that such a social blunder kills any desire for them to see him with another person romantically? That's actually fairly insulting. Thanks, guys. I feel great about having read these comments.

Think I'll go back to just reading story posts from here on, maybe.
 
If I turned my empathic vision up, would I see myself filling that hole?"
Phrasing.

(Not sure if this has been said before. I didn't bother reading every comment)
Eris considers going with the flow to be a sin, and I.. kind of see what she means. If you're just looking for the next Strange-."

"Oh, go t' hell!"

She turns face down and drops through the sky, tears leaking from her eyes.
You know, I think that the last line is the only really concrete example of him flubbing dialogue in this segment. Everything else is him showing concern and curiosity at why she wanted him. He doesn't want to take advantage of her potential emotional instability. Had he continued his thought before being interrupted, I could see the case for him being bad at relating to normal humans now, but as is it looks a lot more like a relatively simple fuck up in dialogue that was backed with good intentions.
People are overreacting because they're currently angry at the SI, in a month we'll be right back at him being shipped with the next female in his presence.
A month? I give it 36 hours tops.
"No, she means that I have to deliberately chose a particular person, not just… Go with the flow
Choose
 
and to which no one thought getting told to go to hell in response was unusual, isn't that just a bit sad?
See here's the thing, someone shouldn't try to be blunt to someone they barely know cause cause it's not like they can go "No I don't want you to". Also context is important, Harley was probably thinking he was gonna be blunt about some weird sexual fetish or something along those lines since they were talking about Eris dominatrix dress, so when SI starts analyzing her and kinda insulting her, it kinda hits her out of nowhere.

Plus even if she tells him she can totally handle whatever he's about to say the SI should't take it at face value (just like when a woman says she's fine it's not necessarily true, doesn't matter if you consider it to be childish, it's what it is.), after all this is girl who ends up as Joker toy in most cases, so like it or not, she's not mentally resilient.
A month? I give it 36 hours tops.
I said a month specifically cause we're about to leave the SI behind for a Grayven arc for around that amount of time.
 
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So, I don't know how to people. I'm incredibly bad at face-to-face social interaction, all signs to the contrary are my having learned via imitation over the years and even after two decades there's still things I don't get that most people half my age understand almost instinctively. I'm better over the Internet, because my apparently-off-putting body language and my RBF and natural monotone aren't factors through textual communication, but it's still something of a problem.

So, when I read through a chapter and empathise with the SI more than I ever have before for making the exact social mistake I've made more than once (too much disclosure with too little filter in the wrong situation after being given permission to be blunt), and then see four pages of people calling that "too far" and "unrealistic" and saying that such a social blunder kills any desire for them to see him with another person romantically? That's actually fairly insulting. Thanks, guys. I feel great about having read these comments.

Think I'll go back to just reading story posts from here on, maybe.
you know that one voice in your head that says 'i need to let them know [fact] before i tell them [observation] so that they won't have a biased reaction or fallacy that would be me manipulating them now that i know how that would work'? you need to either make then swear on something important and/or promise with money backing it up that they won't react badly to you doing it or you could do this to it
 
Do you have a patreon for donation?
No, but thank you for offering.
For my fellow readers: Is OL X Zatanna dead? Can I still cheer on?
Feel free to cheer for whatever you want, but it is unlikely that the SI will do a 180 on that particular relationship.
Edit: Do you accept omake for your QQ thread?
What do you mean by 'accept'? Write whatever you want. I only canonise things that are in keeping with the story I am writing, but the QQ thread isn't going to have much continuity anyway.
Thank you, corrected.
 
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i know that may be what your little sister or equivalent wants when she says things like that but when someone claiming to be a adult says thing they mean them and then need to stand by them.
True in terms of 'how things should be,' but quite a lot of people (regardless of sex, race, or most other considerations), no matter how old, are not really mature enough for that to work.

If, say, anyone over thirty tells you to be blunt, and you take them at their word and tell them something they really didn't want to hear (whether you're right or wrong about whatever it is), be prepared to duck (figuratively or perhaps literally). If you're lucky, you won't need to, but if you aren't prepared, you may regret it.

... and defending yourself with 'You told me to be blunt' is unlikely to go over well if they're already angry/disgusted/upset, or even if they've calmed down.
 
True in terms of 'how things should be,' but quite a lot of people (regardless of sex, race, or most other considerations), no matter how old, are not really mature enough for that to work.

If, say, anyone over thirty tells you to be blunt, and you take them at their word and tell them something they really didn't want to hear (whether you're right or wrong about whatever it is), be prepared to duck (figuratively or perhaps literally). If you're lucky, you won't need to, but if you aren't prepared, you may regret it.

... and defending yourself with 'You told me to be blunt' is unlikely to go over well if they're already angry/disgusted/upset, or even if they've calmed down.
i like to keep something hard within arms reach when talking to unstable people, best to go straight from zero to 'semi-lethal without first aid' if someone like that takes a swing at you.
 
OL/Zatanna is dead and buried, and all the mourners have up and left.
OL/Harleen is at the very least being lowered into the ground

OL/Anyone else is currently lying in the casket as the preacher goes on about how it was a good ship and will be missed by many.
I'm still hoping against hope for OL/Delirium. Let me explain:
1) Delirium is very much chaos aligned / watches over chaos in some sort of way - I'm fairly sure that she was the "mother" of Shivering Jemmy that Paul saw. She seemed to like Paul.

2) Delirium, who was Delight, and who knows paths that are not in Destiny's book... One might consider her a bit of a meta character, or at least connected to it. She was delight in the early eras of the multiverse. When comics were young and fun and a simple delight. As the universe aged, she became Delirium. And what is delirium as not a status quo? Paul is changing how the narrative works. I think he has a real chance of forcing a change onto Delirium. Which would also net him her approval to say the least, I think - I'm fairly sure she doesn't actually enjoy being Delirium all that much.

3) Paul has interacted with few of the Endless on several occasions, and, given the slow but steady escalation, will interact with them again. What better way than to court one of them? And, well, Death is way out of his league. And dating your boss (i.e. Desire) is never a good idea.

A guy can hope, right?
 
I was also trying to depict the SI as having trouble relating to regular people, but I think I may have overshot the mark a little.
Yeah, that was alien as fuck. Specially when that attempt at compassion made me feel as that if people are only projects to him, and Paul apparently doesn't desire sex or romance. I mean, if Paul's asexual, that's fine. But between this and the whole "chemically castrated himself" thing a while back, maybe you should just out and out say he doesn't want it?
 
For those who were saying there wasn't any emotional spectrum in Harleen, not even the orange light of desire, you might want to reread the section where Eris cockblocked Paul.

Harleen's dialogue turned orange right when she was beginning to ask him if he wanted to come inside her home for some sex. Eris chose that exact moment to cockblock.

So Harleen actually did want to have sex with Paul. It wasn't just her thinking she needed to attach herself to a nice guy, attraction be damned.
Why did Paul not see her wanting that, then? She wanted to have sex with him, she wanted sex for a reason. That reason is a desire. He has empathic vision.
So, when I read through a chapter and empathise with the SI more than I ever have before for making the exact social mistake I've made more than once (too much disclosure with too little filter in the wrong situation after being given permission to be blunt), and then see four pages of people calling that "too far" and "unrealistic" and saying that such a social blunder kills any desire for them to see him with another person romantically? That's actually fairly insulting. Thanks, guys. I feel great about having read these comments.
Do you have empathic vision too?
 
Why did Paul not see her wanting that, then? She wanted to have sex with him, she wanted sex for a reason. That reason is a desire. He has empathic vision.
He doesn't do so as a matter of privacy. He usually turns it down enough to only see general emotions, but turning it up fully without sufficient cause is rude to say the least. So he may have seen that she had desire while talking to him, but didn't turn his empathic vision up enough to see what she desired. His comments today were saying that he didn't see any violet.
 
I was also trying to depict the SI as having trouble relating to regular people, but I think I may have overshot the mark a little.
Contrary to most of the other comments, I don't think you overshot the mark at all. If anything, from my perspective you fell a little bit short of it because this chapter could have easily been a chapter in my own life. The SI's thought processes don't seem alien at all, and this kind of relationship trouble doesn't come across to me as being the result of having trouble relating to regular people.

You did. It's almost like reading xenofiction at this point.
that was alien as fuck
This is really offputting. Real people DO, in fact, act like this. Real people DO, in fact, occasionally make blunders in pursuit of well-meaning ends. Real people DO, in fact, sometimes overanalyze things. It doesn't even require a psychiatric disorder, contrary to what some comments have suggested.

I suspect part of the reason this seems so jarring is that we as readers are CONDITIONED to expect fictional worlds to be unrealistically perfect, since everything is scripted in advance and the power of narrative controls the outcomes of events. And when things do go wrong, there's still a sense of control and direction.

Given the luxury of sitting here reading a work of fiction, it's easy to say "yeah, that's not what he should have done." But in another situation, where you're already in the middle of the discussion, mistakes can happen. Lapses in judgment aren't unrealistic. They aren't alien. They're just not what we usually expect when we're reading a story.

True in terms of 'how things should be,' but quite a lot of people (regardless of sex, race, or most other considerations), no matter how old, are not really mature enough for that to work.
On the one hand, you're right. Maturity is something dreadfully lacking in most people. On the other hand, second-guessing someone's stated preference, ESPECIALLY if it's on the basis of something as bloody shallow as their gender, is a really awful thing to do, and assertions that you SHOULD do it only perpetuate the problem in the first place.

Because what happens if you second-guess it, and they actually WERE telling the truth? Then you may have concealed something that was actually important to them. In the end, you may end up causing more damage than if you had actually LISTENED to them the first time.

Paul apparently doesn't desire sex or romance
He DOES desire them, but he also understands the complications that can arise from intimate relationships. More strongly than he wants to experience sex or romance, he wants to protect people. He very strongly doesn't want to hurt people he cares about, which is why he's -- I won't say "slow"... "deliberate" is a better word -- why he's deliberate about his actions when these things arise.

This kind of attitude is exactly what's annoying Eris.

Do you have empathic vision too?
Why yes, actually. It's called "not being a sociopath." I can see how other people feel on the surface, and given time to understand the person I can get a feeling for how they feel deep down. And the older I get, and the more experience I get seeing how other people think and act, the better I am at it.
 
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Yeah, that was alien as fuck. Specially when that attempt at compassion made me feel as that if people are only projects to him, and Paul apparently doesn't desire sex or romance. I mean, if Paul's asexual, that's fine. But between this and the whole "chemically castrated himself" thing a while back, maybe you should just out and out say he doesn't want it?
If he was asexual he wouldn't have needed to castrate himself in the first place, Renegade had a sex cult for crying out loud. The issue is that Zoat has to make things hard for him cause reasons.
This is really offputting. Real people DO, in fact, act like this. Real people DO, in fact, occasionally make blunders in pursuit of well-meaning ends. Real people DO, in fact, sometimes overanalyze things. It doesn't even require a psychiatric disorder, contrary to what some comments have suggested.
The reason people are calling it alien is because of the emotional light talk.
 
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Could've been worse. Could have described the version of her he saw with his AU knowledge, and just how unlikely her current state is.

"Harleen, I...want you to imagine something for a moment."

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Imagine that your life were a story, bound in pages. A screenplay, or a comic book. The things that have happened to you all pieces of a larger puzzle, an overarching plot that didn't begin with you and won't end with you either. Got it?"

She nods, clearly confused. Time to put in the kicker.

"Now...imagine that you aren't the main character of that story, Harleen. Imagine that you're...not background, not one of the nameless crowd to be destroyed or saved at the author's whim, but not the villain, and not the hero either. A member of the supporting cast."

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All of this gets quite too far into my origins. You know that I come from an alternate universe, and I will let you draw your own conclusions. Suffice it to say that you...could be that character."

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And it wouldn't be good for you. Harleen, you know better than most that there are true monsters in this world. People who cannot be saved, no matter how hard you try. What if the right one came along and you tried to save them just...a little...too...hard?"

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I don't want to know. And I don't want to do that too you, or be that for you. I don't think I am that monster, but given the power at my hand and its history of corruption, I could be."

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Harleen, I care about you. I really do. I want you to do what is best for you, but I don't know what that is, and I am not convinced you do either."

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I want you to find out."
 
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