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I don't mind too much, my issue stems from the fact that you started from a certain template where villains had been shown to be pretty dumb and when you took over their story so to speak they suddenly started acting smart rather than what they used to be.

I think the reason for this is somehow affected by how you believe people work, when a self centered ass hole argues with someone he's not gonna change even if you got a perfectly good solution to make their life better. They're right and you're insulting them by telling them they're wrong and they cannot fathom the concept of them being wrong on something they care about. And that's not even thinking about the ones that are so spiteful they'd cut off one of their legs if it meant you lost a foot.

So point is when OL tries to help the fools a lot more of them should just go: "Fuck you! When I 'silly goal of little value', you'll regret this". Instead they rationally consider OL point before changing their way, issue is a lot of them wouldn't be where they're at today if they were capable of doing this.

Amusingly enough this is the sort of human flaw that got the sentient cheeto elected.

And you are ignoring that a lot of DC villains have gone legit when given the chance... and later just went back to be bad guys or got replaced by newer evil versions.

So yes reforming villains is posible, just not long term.

Unless is an Elseworld, then anything goes.
 
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Regarding Constantine, I'm not sure that the idea of the laughing magician is compatible with being a chaos lord. The LM's function is to mock authority and bring it down if possible, not become it.
 
Historical corrections:The first two of these quotes come from the same post, while the third comes from a later post. Assuming the last one is a result of having been briefed on the official terminology, the second one is either wrong by virtue of not being capitalized and punctuated correctly, or wrong by virtue of being different from the first one without an in-universe reason to explain it.
That's actually intentional. Kon uses the second, having been told what their correct name is by Ivo.
Capitalization
superheated
Thank you, corrected.
I didn't check which resolution you used for the last correction of "muscle brains" but it applies here too.
I don't remember what's wrong with it.
 
Regarding Constantine, I'm not sure that the idea of the laughing magician is compatible with being a chaos lord. The LM's function is to mock authority and bring it down if possible, not become it.
John Constantine is NOT the Laughing Magician. His brother is. It's addressed in the issue where he goes and gets high and then meets his brother after going back to Ravensburg.

DC vs The Masters of the Universe.
 
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Presumably she's somewhat above a Lord of Chaos, as in a feudal system there's a lot more Lords than there are princesses.

I'm pretty sure Grayven said he merely rendered the mass of chaos energy that Klarion was connected to mindless, he didn't actually kill it. OL specifically noted that he wanted to avoid that outcome, as it could connect to another mind.

I think it makes a world feel more lived in. Other characters have agendas of their own, and not everything is a direct result of what the main character is doing.

We don't know what chaos rituals are like. It could be everyone wearing silly hats and mocking order rituals while only their intentions have any effect on the outcome.

Yeah, everyone can make a citizen's arrest, which it was mentioned a long time ago is what OL and most others are technically doing. The League however have actual arrest authority.





I don't want to be rude, by why do you post like this? SV lets you quote multiple sources easily by adding text to your multiquote. Instead you're cluttering the thread with 3 comments in about as many minutes. I'd recommend either using the edit button, or waiting until you've quoted every comment you intend to reply to before writing replies.

You know, Mr. Zatara is pretty orderly...

I find it amusing to believe that Ambush Bug or someone else is going around to everyone OL might meet and telling them to act knowingly whenever they next hear the name John Constantine.

>DC

>Too rational

I think any open sewers would be filled with vines. And his hallucinogenic fruit wasn't that strong, as Isley was fine to talk while on it, plus the paralyzing vines were only mildly paralytic.

If anything, maybe old people getting heart attacks from the shock, or people in critical condition on their way to the hospital getting blocked?

Don't worry, Grayven will probably end up killing him as well.

Letting Fatherbox alter him was after the Forever people left.


>.> combination of habit and sleep deprivation. gimmie 10 minutes and i'll fix that one.

for context, checking the thread is currently one of the last things i do before sleep

*edit* properly condensed into a single post. if those of you who rated are feeling generous, transfer your appreciation XD
 
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Why did she laugh like that when she heard Constantine's name?
Because she was picturing Nabu's (among others') reaction to that result? ;)

I think that having permission automatically makes any chaos rituals fail. It's straining it enough with planning it in advance, but getting permission from a very rigid government would be antithetical to the very ideal of chaos.
Well, there is the fact that persuading such a rigid country into going along with such a plan would be a somewhat chaotic event in itself.


On a side not, OL said he asked Constantine, but he said nothing as to if John accepted. :drevil:
 
Whelp, the episode list at the beginning of this thread have been updated. Nothing ominous about the July 4th episode being labeled 'The Last Supper', nope, nothing ominous at all.
 
Escalation (supplementary, SI option)
Escalation

15th May
10:37 GMT -6


"Okay, now, just sort of… Lean forwards a bit?"

Harleen tries to follow my instruction, starts to drift and then immediately straightens up again. I suppose it's a bit like using a Segway. All your instincts tell you that you're about to fall over, despite the fact that that's very unlikely.

I smile encouragingly. "Okay, and again?"

For a second she looks up at me, then her eyes drop back down to the ground. Which is about a metre away. "This ain't easy, y'know. How long did it take you t'learn, anyways?"

"I got the basics after half an hour or so." That earns me a minor scowl. "But, I had been flying with the ring for months before that, so I'd got used to the whole 'being in the air apparently unsupported' thing. Look, it's pretty much impossible for anything to go wrong. Even if you just fall out of the air, hitting the ground won't hurt. The belt absorbs kinetic energy."

"I dunno. That shuwer sounds like somethin' that'd hurt."

I hold up my hands, pull the left ring off with my right hand and then pull the right ring off with my left. I then stow them both in one of the chest pouches in my overalls. "There we go. Just the belt holding me up. Next?"

I flip over, the sky spinning across my field of vision until I can see the ground again. Ugh, that always feels weird when I do it without the rings. The kinetic belt has some inertial stabilising but it's got nothing on a proper environmental shield. Then I shoot forward, accelerating rapidly and boong, ramming face first into the grass-covered ground.

There's a sharp intake of breath from my flying-buddy.

"And I'm fine." Precise manoeuvring with these things is more difficult than large movements, but I twist around while still balancing on my head. "See? No problem."

"Okay." She blinks. "That's a thing."

"You wanna try?"

"I think I'll stick t'normal flyin'."

"Well, go on then."

"Oooooh… Kaaaaay?" She leans forwards in the air, accelerating slowly forwards and upwards. "How'm I doin'?"

"Like a toddler on her first tricycle, but you're going forwards and that's the main thing." I clench slightly, causing my own belt to reverse me back upwards. Then I twist, briefly moving to a position parallel to the ground before accelerating up to Harleen. "Come on! It's really instinctive. Inasmuch as there is a trick, it's to not think about it too much. I mean… You were a gymnast. You didn't think about where every part of your body was the whole time, did you?"

"Okay, but-" She moves her right forefinger into lecture position. "-if this goes wrong you bettuh catch me."

"I won't need to. Unless you fly into a laser or an electricity pylon-" I look around, seeing none of either. "-you're pretty much proof against anything that could hurt you."

She closes her eyes, takes a deep breath, then leans forwards and jerks her hands back. Immediately she accelerates forward, forcing me to duck and dive to avoid being hit. "Wwaaahhhoooooo!"

I hold my right hand up to my mouth as she rockets away. "See!" Uh. Maybe I should get after..? Yes, yes I should. I assume the position and fly along in her wake as she powers through the sky… Well, so close to the ground perhaps I should say through the air, above the Kisatchie National Forest. She seems to be enjoying 'forwards' well enough, but the tree line is coming up and-.

She looks back. "This is great!"

"Pull up! Pull up!"

"Huh?" She turns her head to face forwards. "Ah!" She leans back, probably trying to stop. Unfortunately for her, the belt interprets that a desire to change direction, so rather than going at about fifty miles an hour straight forwards she's now going fifty miles an hour straight up. "Agh!" She flails briefly in surprise, then calms down a little and gets herself back under control, slowing to a stop about a mile above the forest canopy.

I follow after her at a slightly reduced rate, giving her a moment to get used to being in the air and to appreciate the view. She glances my way as I come up alongside her. "Well?"

"That was… Heh." She's panting, but the smile on her face says 'excitement' rather than 'terror'. "That was pretty great. Hah."

"Okay, next lesson: flying into the ground at full speed."

"Oh no. No." She shakes her head definitively. "That ain't happenin'."

I lean back in the air, lounging on nothing. "Alright. What do you want to do next?"

Another deep breath. "I wanna…" She nods to herself. "I.. wanna talk aboud last night. While I'm still buzzin' with adrenaline an' not.. fellin' self conscious aboud it."

"Okay." I nod. "Reasonable. Eris is-."

"Tha Greek Goddess of Chaos. An' you work fer Wonder Woman so I guess it makes sense, you knowin' her."

"I.. am actually a Hellenist. I do literally worship her."

"But that don't explain what she wuz doin' showin' up at my house, an'… Dressed.. in that."

"How.. blunt do you want me to be?"

She gives me a flat look. "Hey, I'm a counsellor heyah."

"Okay. I asked her to find a particular arcane artefact for me, and the owner was available to negotiate with right then. As to why she was dressed like that, I'm… I've been somewhat reticent on matters of romance and sex. Depending on how the mood takes her, she finds that either amusing or irritating. She dressed like that as a wind up."

"Ooh. That makes sense. I mean, she's still kind of a bitch, but…"

"Yeah." I clear my throat, momentarily averting my gaze. "Also… She wants me to end my reticence… Deliberately."

Harleen frowns, baffled. "How d'ja mean 'deliberately'? Like, you can't fall on someone?"

"No, she means that I have to deliberately choose a particular person, not just… Go with the flow in a way I don't find objectionable. Can you believe that I didn't actually pick up on the fact that you were propositioning me?"

"Oh." She looks more puzzled than offended. "Rilly? 'Cause I thought I was bein' pretty direct there."

"Yeah. I mean, I see it now, it just-. At the time, it didn't…" I sigh. "Okay, did I ever tell you that I'm a metahuman? I don't mean the rings, I mean…" I make a circling motion with my right hand.

"No." She shakes her head. "What, you got a power and power rings?"

"Not exactly. I got my power as a result of the power rings. I'm empathic. I perceive the emotions of those around me as coloured light. Most.. importantly, I see love as violet light. Last time someone propositioned me I knew… Because I could see… Violet. They were interested in me, emotionally… So it made sense that they might want to have sex with me. You… You're not violet. Not even a little bit."

"Well… We don't know each other that well. I mean… If you wan'ed to wait…"

"The question is not.. why I don't. I can or not. My question is, why do you? I'm pleasant company and I'm good looking, but would you be enjoying this flying any.. more, if we'd had sex last night? At the.. restaurant in New York, you mentioned a teacher at Gotham University in the same breath as Doctor Strange. Then you said that you just needed to find a guy who wasn't a jerk. If I turned my empathic vision up, would I see myself filling that hole?"

"Huh." She looks me over with notably less enthusiasm. "Didn't think you were that insecuwah."

"I'm not. I'm concerned for you. Not only do you not love me, there's no flicker that could become true love. You're not particularly libidinous, so it's not just the endorphin release from sex that you're looking for. Why do you want me? Given.. your historyDo you.. really think that another.. relationship with a man is.. a solution? Eris considers going with the flow to be a sin, and I.. kind of see what she means. If you're just looking for the next Strange-."

"Oh, go t' hell!"

She turns face down and drops through the sky, tears leaking from her eyes.
 
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"I'm not. I'm concerned for you. Not only do you not love me, there's no flicker that could become true love. You're not particularly libidinous, so it's not just the endorphin release from sex that you're looking for. Why do you want me? Given.. your historyDo you.. really think that another.. relationship with a man is.. a solution? Eris considers going with the flow to be a sin, and I.. kind of see what she means. If you're just looking for the next Strange-."

"Oh, go t' hell!"

She turns face down and drops through the sky, tears leaking from her eyes.
I have to ask at this point, is there something wrong with him?

Because that level of emotional and intellectual denseness is edging rather strongly into unrealistic harem protagonist territory.
 
He doesn't consider immersion therapy adequate motivation, I suppose.

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Also, dude, just get laid. It doesn't have to matter all the time. /frustration
 
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Eris considers going with the flow to be a sin, and I.. kind of see what she means. If you're just looking for the next Strange-."

"Oh, go t' hell!"
:jackiechan: ..... :facepalm:
Paul, you are most assuredly the densest deplorable dunderhead in my books for the forseeable future.

Now go chase after poor Ms. Quinzel and apologize. Better yet, grovel. :V
 
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