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Hugs are for when people are writing horrible things and they clearly need a hug, or when they wrote something amusing and deserve a hug, or if they wrote something nice and should get a hug, or if they explained a concept rather neatly, or made you think about a concept beyond the explanation and thus they're the sort of people you should encourage with a hug.

Or if you hugged everyones post around them and don't want them feeling left out.

Hugs are nice.
 
Hugs are for when people are writing horrible things and they clearly need a hug, or when they wrote something amusing and deserve a hug, or if they wrote something nice and should get a hug, or if they explained a concept rather neatly, or made you think about a concept beyond the explanation and thus they're the sort of people you should encourage with a hug.

Or if you hugged everyones post around them and don't want them feeling left out.

Hugs are nice.

Wait.. several people gave me hugs after I called Constantine an ideal Chaos Lord candidate... w.. what are you people saying? Was it horrible? Nice? Amusing? I didn't really explain anything! It was too short and un-koan like to be thought provoking too! AND I DON'T HUG POSTS!

WHAT ARE YOU ALL TRYING TO SAY?! I'M SO CONFUSED!

*breaks down into a gibbering wreck over hugs*
 
I don't think it's congenital. He was a normal man. Got Married. Got hit on the head then turned into the Bog God
No, as I said, Alec Holland is truly dead. His soul and that of his wife Linda are currently residing in the outer part of Heaven. Swamp Thing has a copy of his mildly damaged pre-death mind.
 
Is a Princess of Chaos the same as a Lord of Chaos?
Presumably she's somewhat above a Lord of Chaos, as in a feudal system there's a lot more Lords than there are princesses.
Going by what gravyen worked out about the sword, he wouldn't have to worry about the greater mass, but he's right about him being replaced. I wonder if he did research, or just reasoned that chaos will likely replace a killed agent.
I'm pretty sure Grayven said he merely rendered the mass of chaos energy that Klarion was connected to mindless, he didn't actually kill it. OL specifically noted that he wanted to avoid that outcome, as it could connect to another mind.
I don't know why but this bugs me, it really does. We're talking about a one off meeting foreshadowed over a year ago that is now being put into the relevant pile. I don't know if this makes Mr Zoat an awesome writer, a pain in the ass, or just really lucky.
I think it makes a world feel more lived in. Other characters have agendas of their own, and not everything is a direct result of what the main character is doing.
An interesting theory. However, rituals themselves are things of order. Any actions that consistently get the same result are orderly, making a chaos ritual an oxymoron. In fact, becoming a Chaos Lord should happen via lottery. Since it doesn't, I would guess that while the power itself might be chaotic, accessing it follows the usual laws of magic.
We don't know what chaos rituals are like. It could be everyone wearing silly hats and mocking order rituals while only their intentions have any effect on the outcome.
Note that a Citizen's Arrest applies to witnessing a crime, and turning someone over to the cops (restraining someone until the cops arrive, for example). Tourists can do it too. Though it's absolutely best to know the local laws and regulations.
Yeah, everyone can make a citizen's arrest, which it was mentioned a long time ago is what OL and most others are technically doing. The League however have actual arrest authority.
to be fair, the only real way to GUARANTEE this safe is to soulkill John's psychopathic undead brother to provent further sabotage, and note im one of the "Constantine both deserves a break, AND chances to fix problems WITHOUT being forced into using Pyrrhic means" camp
*coughs*referring to the one who's dedicated his unlife to doing his best to drag any world where John survived into hell out of petty spite? the one who is (depending on the version of the setting) personally responsible for arranging almost every disaster involving his brother >.>
i STILL think his "Utopia" would have been a horrific nightmare under the shiny surface....

to be fair, wouldn't that be what you'd EXPECT to happen?

I don't want to be rude, by why do you post like this? SV lets you quote multiple sources easily by adding text to your multiquote. Instead you're cluttering the thread with 3 comments in about as many minutes. I'd recommend either using the edit button, or waiting until you've quoted every comment you intend to reply to before writing replies.
1) Killing Nabu results in the same problem as killing Clarion: some other entity, not necessarily benevolent one, will take his place
You know, Mr. Zatara is pretty orderly...
Personally I find his reputation with the Judeochristian entities to make sense, but for absolutely EVERYONE to act the same when his name is mentioned is kinda silly.
I find it amusing to believe that Ambush Bug or someone else is going around to everyone OL might meet and telling them to act knowingly whenever they next hear the name John Constantine.
Beside that everyone is a bit too rational compared to the usual, but that might just be OL want aura messing with them.
>DC

>Too rational
Did he add in all the cases of kids eating the hallucinogenic fruits and walking into an open sewer? Or adults who hallucinated or were paralyzed, resulting in kids without supervision and causing Klarion-like deaths?
I think any open sewers would be filled with vines. And his hallucinogenic fruit wasn't that strong, as Isley was fine to talk while on it, plus the paralyzing vines were only mildly paralytic.

If anything, maybe old people getting heart attacks from the shock, or people in critical condition on their way to the hospital getting blocked?
If this works out, it'll be a major 'did things better' for Paragon over Renegade, given who replaced Klarion in Renegade's storyline... probably...
Don't worry, Grayven will probably end up killing him as well.
It was less insane than admitting to the lie and getting executed for impersonating royalty.
Letting Fatherbox alter him was after the Forever people left.
 
We don't know what chaos rituals are like. It could be everyone wearing silly hats and mocking order rituals while only their intentions have any effect on the outcome.
Anyway it's not like low level chaos is of much importance.
I find it amusing to believe that Ambush Bug or someone else is going around to everyone OL might meet and telling them to act knowingly whenever they next hear the name John Constantine.
Seems legit.
You misunderstood I'm saying that everyone is acting too rational considering they're in the DC verse. All the retarded maniacal villains are suddenly finding their long lost brains as soon as OL got into the picture and acting in a logical manner. Plus people are reasonable and acting toward what will get good results rather than just doing the usual super-villainy non-sense and acting like spiteful and mostly incompetent/self destructive cunts.
 
You misunderstood I'm saying that everyone is acting too rational considering they're in the DC verse. All the retarded maniacal villains are suddenly finding their long lost brains as soon as OL got into the picture and acting in a logical manner. Plus people are reasonable and acting toward what will get good results rather than just doing the usual super-villainy non-sense and acting like spiteful and mostly incompetent/self destructive cunts.
I'm sorry, it's a failure on my part. I just don't seem able to write DC-level stupid. I do at least try to make them either have halfway sensible reasons for what they're doing or simply not have had access to the opportunities the SI provides before. Kadabra didn't know how to get a tutor. Leonard Snart just hates the Flash and probably couldn't get funding, given his record. The guy who created the Crumbler technology is genuinely unhinged.
 
I'm sorry, it's a failure on my part. I just don't seem able to write DC-level stupid. I do at least try to make them either have halfway sensible reasons for what they're doing or simply not have had access to the opportunities the SI provides before. Kadabra didn't know how to get a tutor. Leonard Snart just hates the Flash and probably couldn't get funding, given his record. The guy who created the Crumbler technology is genuinely unhinged.
I prefer it this way. I think I've said this before, but I think DC has a lot of good ideas that they just never implemented or explained all that well. Doing so correctly in defiance of the irrationality of DC is hard to label a flaw.
 
I'm sorry, it's a failure on my part. I just don't seem able to write DC-level stupid. I do at least try to make them either have halfway sensible reasons for what they're doing or simply not have had access to the opportunities the SI provides before. Kadabra didn't know how to get a tutor. Leonard Snart just hates the Flash and probably couldn't get funding, given his record. The guy who created the Crumbler technology is genuinely unhinged.
I don't mind too much, my issue stems from the fact that you started from a certain template where villains had been shown to be pretty dumb and when you took over their story so to speak they suddenly started acting smart rather than what they used to be.

I think the reason for this is somehow affected by how you believe people work, when a self centered ass hole argues with someone he's not gonna change even if you got a perfectly good solution to make their life better. They're right and you're insulting them by telling them they're wrong and they cannot fathom the concept of them being wrong on something they care about. And that's not even thinking about the ones that are so spiteful they'd cut off one of their legs if it meant you lost a foot.

So point is when OL tries to help the fools a lot more of them should just go: "Fuck you! When I 'silly goal of little value', you'll regret this". Instead they rationally consider OL point before changing their way, issue is a lot of them wouldn't be where they're at today if they were capable of doing this.

Amusingly enough this is the sort of human flaw that got the sentient cheeto elected.
 
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You mean if they weren't being written by a bunch of idiots.

Unlike those idiots Zoat doesn't get swapped out all the time and thus the characters don't have to be 2D caricatures.

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I don't mind too much, my issue stems from the fact that you started from a certain template where villains had been shown to be pretty dumb and when you took over their story so to speak they suddenly started acting smart rather than what they used to be.

I think the reason for this is somehow affected by how you believe people work, when a self centered ass hole argues with someone he's not gonna change even if you got a perfectly good solution to make their life better. They're right and you're insulting them by telling them they're wrong and they cannot fathom the concept of them being wrong on something they care about. And that's not even thinking about the ones that are so spiteful they'd cut off one of their legs if it meant you lost a foot.

So point is when OL tries to help the fools a lot more of them should just: "Fuck you! When I 'silly goal of little value', you'll regret this". Instead they rationally consider OL point before changing their way, issue is a lot of them wouldn't be where they're at today if they were capable of doing this.

Amusingly enough this is the sort of human flaw that got the sentient cheeto elected.


orange light exposure. Standing next to OL makes it hard not to focus on what you really want and consider how to get it. Though we don't know that in story yet so it's a bit of a cop out. Maybe zoat could have lex detect it while going though his in depth examination for control and mention it to OL or something?
 
orange light exposure. Standing next to OL makes it hard not to focus on what you really want and consider how to get it. Though we don't know that in story yet so it's a bit of a cop out. Maybe zoat could have lex detect it while going though his in depth examination for control and mention it to OL or something?
In some cases that would be valid, but the aura wouldn't breed rationality, just avarice and we just need to look at Larfleeze to see that doesn't make you rational. What would make sense is for him to have an aura that makes people more closely aligned with what HE wants since his want his inherently more rational due to being enlightened, it'd make them a bit more sane.
 
I think zoat described the levels of exposure standing next to ol just end to make your desires come more into focus, and makes you more willing to go after them. This mesh's well with Ol main strategy of working out a way to give them what they want in a way that benefits him. it mainly fails when what they want is something he can't give them.
 
So point is when OL tries to help the fools a lot more of them should just: "Fuck you! When I 'silly goal of little value', you'll regret this". Instead they rationally consider OL point before changing their way, issue is a lot of them wouldn't be where they're at today if they were capable of doing this.
Nabu, that one girl in Hullevow who rejected all modern life and wasted her talent, arguably Truggs, Lex kinda, guy who made the original Crumbler gauntlet, the two Sivana twins, I'm sure there's others. All pretty unreasonable before and after talking to OL, or at least partially irrational.

Plus, for the Beresfords, he put a lot of work into them before they started actually going with what he said. It's been months and Tuppence is still decently hostile to him. Not nearly as much as before, but that hostility is still there.
 
Nabu, that one girl in Hullevow who rejected all modern life and wasted her talent, arguably Truggs, Lex kinda, guy who made the original Crumbler gauntlet, the two Sivana twins, I'm sure there's others. All pretty unreasonable before and after talking to OL, or at least partially irrational.

Plus, for the Beresfords, he put a lot of work into them before they started actually going with what he said. It's been months and Tuppence is still decently hostile to him. Not nearly as much as before, but that hostility is still there.
From Nabu PoV it makes sense to not accept it, he can't really trust OL, not to mention that OL really hasn't tried that hard to convince him. Who was that girl? Don't remember her. Truggs and OL didn't talk all that much arguably. Lex would indeed be a good exception. Crumbler guy is just straight up insane. Not sure what you mean by the Sivana twins, what they did was annoy OL rather than not listen to reason.

Anyway my point isn't that nobody disagrees with OL, it's that a lot of people who did agree with him are a bit too irrational to change their way so easily.
 
i thik i mentiond it in this thread before bu the thig about the writing styles of comics is that DC excells at wold building and creationn realistic actions and reactions in regards to governments , other polities and the general public consensus that exist in such a fantastic wold were as they kinda fail in regards to individuals and the rirrelations, whereas marvel has the opposte problem an example of thiis would be green arrows treatment of red arrow afther discovering his herroing addiction which did not mesh at all with his previous behaviour, compreared with tony starks triles with alcoholisim or hell even the events of civil war and the indiviuals reactions and behaviours.
the same is true for goverments on marvel side the general public consensus on mutants (and the copout that was sublime) and the way the goverment handled registration durng civil war compeared with DC and the suicided squad or even project cadmus/checkmate (barring the stuid decisions made by specific individuals for the sake of plot)
 
Wait.. several people gave me hugs after I called Constantine an ideal Chaos Lord candidate... w.. what are you people saying? Was it horrible? Nice? Amusing? I didn't really explain anything! It was too short and un-koan like to be thought provoking too! AND I DON'T HUG POSTS!

WHAT ARE YOU ALL TRYING TO SAY?! I'M SO CONFUSED!

*breaks down into a gibbering wreck over hugs*
We're saying that we want to touch you...

... inappropriately.
 
Historical corrections:
The first two of these quotes come from the same post, while the third comes from a later post. Assuming the last one is a result of having been briefed on the official terminology, the second one is either wrong by virtue of not being capitalized and punctuated correctly, or wrong by virtue of being different from the first one without an in-universe reason to explain it.

Capitalization

superheated

"Yeah, they told me you think we're a bunch of muscle brains."

Did I say that? "I don't think I called you all muscle brains."
I didn't check which resolution you used for the last correction of "muscle brains" but it applies here too.

Defining yourself in terms of someone else. So wasteful. Such a diminution of the self.
Noticed this, from before the Renegade started impersonating Grayven. Given the recent discussion, it's an interesting note.
 
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