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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Glau said:
I mean, that spun out of saidoro's post, which I found quite insightful.
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Yes, that's the post I was talking about. And it was completely untrue to the lore. I mean, if you are going to insist on your own interpretation of Slaanesh and then complain that the cannon plastic figurines don't match that you can, but that's your problem, not any inconsistency or failing with cannon.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Yeah, that's terrifying. If it's the Widow&Pals versus Slaanesh, it's probably fine for the next 60 seconds. If it's Ranald versus Slaanesh, our best buddy's about to take a beating, unless the fact that Ranald is the god that Mathilde actually worships counts for enough.
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ya, if its Ranald vs Slaanesh, keeping Slaanesh form intervening while taking a divine beating that Ranald can mostly walk away from would be the win condition on those rolls.

just from the power difference.
 
Well its a bit scary we're seeing the rolls at all cause that generally only happens with big important ones, but they're close enough that they also don't actually tell us anything.

So wait and see I guess.
 
something that becomes pretty obvious during a re-read is that every wizard in K8P has some kind of flaw or divided loyalty that guides their actions.

Adela has her nepotism, Gretchen her greed (and theft apparently), Johann was lying about his mission to steal Skaven stuff, Max had his petty grudges, Hubert is in the crossroad between noble and wizard.

And Panoramia, well Panoramia is pretty much perfect, or is she?
I'm not saying she is secretly an Slaanesh cultist that feeds Marienburg information by orders of her master's, the Lamians, but she has to have something going doesn't she?

My most optimistic theory is that she is into superprojects and will remain calm until the valley is complete, at which point she will reveal her desire to create something else.
 
das_slash said:
something that becomes pretty obvious during a re-read is that every wizard in K8P has some kind of flaw or divided loyalty that guides their actions.

Adela has her nepotism, Gretchen her greed (and theft apparently), Johann was lying about his mission to steal Skaven stuff, Max had his petty grudges, Hubert is in the crossroad between noble and wizard.

And Panoramia, well Panoramia is pretty much perfect, or is she?
I'm not saying she is secretly an Slaanesh cultist that feeds Marienburg information by orders of her master's, the Lamians, but she has to have something going doesn't she?

My most optimistic theory is that she is into superprojects and will remain calm until the valley is complete, at which point she will reveal her desire to create something else.
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"Ugh, the Druid thing" seems to be a pretty clear flaw, at least from the Jade College's point of view. Gretel's status as a thief was most likely before her induction, not after.
 
Ericwinter said:
Why do I think these are going to be gods and Ranald either just came in clutch or—if the enemy has bigger bonuses—got screwed?

Also why the fuck are we getting D100s in-thread? That usually doesn't happen.
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Because choosing to fight here was not actually less dangerous than trying to infiltrate Karag Dum was assumed to be. There is a good chance we die here.
 
Mopman43 said:
That would presumably mean that the Friendly is L's wisdom save to not be tempted. I would think.
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Not necessarily. It doesn't say they're specifically opposing each other, just that one is friendly and one is not. Being rolled all together makes me think this is one big clusterfuck, rather than two seperate matches.
Phalfpipe said:
Ranald is the god of thieves, and from a certain point of view this is basically a mugging, he might have some power here.
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Also gambling, and I could see him being able to put flat rolls against each other.
 
Klaus said:
Yes, that's the post I was talking about. And it was completely untrue to the lore. I mean, if you are going to insist on your own interpretation of Slaanesh and then complain that the cannon plastic figurines don't match that you can, but that's your problem, not any inconsistency or failing with cannon.
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I am going pretty much entirely on what I've read in the various quests and stories and wiki-dives I've gone on. My impression was that the lore is inconsistent, internally and externally, as it is in so very many places in warhammer. Given that we were/are talking about what inspired the concepts that the writers boiled down into the gods in that exchange, and you are coming at this from the other direction, I can see how we are talking past eachother.


Also, as regards souls, @Jyn Ryvia is correct. They should weigh basically the same as AV:

BoneyM said:
"If you will allow me to guide you through questions, allow me to ask you: do Dwarves have souls?"

You frown, confused. "Of course."

"What is a soul?"

You try to form an answer not drawing on the great deal of information the Liber Mortis had on the subject. "The energy that makes up what someone is. The part that departs when they die."

"And the nature of that energy? I know that your Colleges know the answer."

Well, if he's explicitly fishing for it. "Aethyr."

"And yet Dwarves repel those energies."

You frown again, thinking. "You repel Sevir. The Winds that the energies of the Aethyr become when exposed to this world." Your frown deepens as you ponder that.
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Glau said:
Also, as regards souls, @Jyn Ryvia is correct. They should weigh basically the same as AV:
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How much AV equivalent does an ant's soul have vs a horse vs an apparition vs a human vs a dwarf vs a god? And even if we assume they have qualitatively the same substance, a diamond and a lump of coal are both made out of carbon, but they are very different materials.
 
Aranfan said:
Because choosing to fight here was not actually less dangerous than trying to infiltrate Karag Dum was assumed to be. There is a good chance we die here.
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The best argument for never, ever going anywhere near Karag Dum again is the endless bullshit and bitching of people complaining about the first trip. Like hell I ever want to get near that issue ever again. Let it die.
 
More seriously, overconfidence only hurts when it affects decision making. We are currently incapable of affecting the incoming events in any way, so some people being optimistic is harmless.
 
Alliterate said:
Sooo... Slaanesh as Kramer, Nurgle as Elaine, Tzeentch as Jerry and Khorne as George?

An eternal thing without beginning or end, cycles to endlessly repeat across scattered dimensions until the broadcast mediums themselves die.
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Kramer makes more sense as Tzeentch imo, His plans results in *most* of the drama. Id say he is the chaotically machivellian.

Jerry is Nurgle. His proclivity for stasis, passivity, and general wanting to maintain status quo strike me as very Plauge Father.

George should be Slaannesh, Elaine should be Khorne. Elaine's violence and George's laziness are repeatedly key points.
 
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