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Even if only as a write-in, re-codifying is always going to be on the table. There's no guarantee it'll be any easier the second time around though, just another roll hoping for a crit.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I think my problem with thread culture is more around the idea of 'completing' things. I feel like it's largely a waste. We should do the most valuable parts and move on- there's no bonus or headpats from doing everything as opposed to the needed things. So I'm quite happy not completing the spellbook, not completing all the Waystone options, and not completing our research backlog.
Get comfortable with loose threads of what I think.
This. The idea that it matters what the Waystone action is and not just that it is a Waystone action.
And? We know more, cool. It's not actionable. We can't actually do anything if a Waystone is destroyed in one of these places. And most of the 'defending' is outside the borders of places we can have an army without it being considered an invasion and fought.
At best, we learn what we thought we already knew. At worst, we find a crisis we can't do anything about.
So, skip.
It is if there's no next step to be had. If you find out this is happening, what? Turn off the inflows and hope the Skaven don't swarm the surface?
That's a bonus from some perspectives.
Idk. I'm voting for it opportunistically, and because I don't want it to be a 'but we have to do this first' thing for elfcation. Once the current projects are 'completed', I'm voting for elfcation first, arcane marks second.
The completion of AV is also, I think, what has created so much culture here w/r/t pushback on box checking. So I'd draw a direct line from people frustrated by taking all the safety options first (and the same with the EIC) to the dislike of mapping actions for the Waystones.
Negotiating it is. Building it? I don't think the EIC has the ability to do magical infrastructure. We are going to need to buy off the elves to do it or do it our selves. And I don't think building a road is one AP. Remember Stirland, how many counselor AP it took to build Abel's road?
I regard this as wishful thinking without the negotiation turn. I think it's going to be 1-3 AP codifying it, 1 EIC to negotiate it, and either an EIC to gather the illithimar for the elves to build it or 1-6 AP to do it ourselves with college support.
Get comfortable with loose threads of what I think.
This. The idea that it matters what the Waystone action is and not just that it is a Waystone action.
And? We know more, cool. It's not actionable. We can't actually do anything if a Waystone is destroyed in one of these places. And most of the 'defending' is outside the borders of places we can have an army without it being considered an invasion and fought.
At best, we learn what we thought we already knew. At worst, we find a crisis we can't do anything about.
So, skip.
It is if there's no next step to be had. If you find out this is happening, what? Turn off the inflows and hope the Skaven don't swarm the surface?
That's a bonus from some perspectives.
Idk. I'm voting for it opportunistically, and because I don't want it to be a 'but we have to do this first' thing for elfcation. Once the current projects are 'completed', I'm voting for elfcation first, arcane marks second.
The completion of AV is also, I think, what has created so much culture here w/r/t pushback on box checking. So I'd draw a direct line from people frustrated by taking all the safety options first (and the same with the EIC) to the dislike of mapping actions for the Waystones.
Negotiating it is. Building it? I don't think the EIC has the ability to do magical infrastructure. We are going to need to buy off the elves to do it or do it our selves. And I don't think building a road is one AP. Remember Stirland, how many counselor AP it took to build Abel's road?
I regard this as wishful thinking without the negotiation turn. I think it's going to be 1-3 AP codifying it, 1 EIC to negotiate it, and either an EIC to gather the illithimar for the elves to build it or 1-6 AP to do it ourselves with college support.
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Mathilde described it as 'low-end' Battle magic to Egrimm one time... though MMM is considered one of the easiest Battle Magics... when we players translate from tabletop casting rules to this quest's narrative.
RoW being 'low-end' matters to me as it is what my 'battle alter powered by an array of powerstones' idea depends on, as other wise we'd need an Orb of Sorcery, and those are irreplaceable
[even after Morbs are a thing, I doubt a RoW-altar would be high enough utlity to be worth slotting an Ulgu Morb into]
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The difficulty in casting it is front ended however, that is part of how it works. Sustaining it after the first cast is a lot easier.
The point of RoW is that it re-casts mini-skywalks for you on your targets as needed.
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Now i can't help but imagine a Rite of Way Battle Altar powered by a morb, would that be enough to work for an entire army?
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Both plans are windfalling; the contention is over whether we go capture a Red Rider or we go map Tilea and Estalia
the good thing about altars and morbs is that their not permanenty attached. so building a altar of rite of way that can be used if necessery is totally valid because the morb will not be homed there forever.
Fair points about Rite of Way, I hope you guys are right as it would make the spell vastly more useful.
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Powerstones and Orbs of Sorcery work by making reality less 'real' and more '[wind type] aligned', which makes it easier to do [wind things], so I think for 'powering' enchantments it's more of a yes/no thing than a sliding scale of output
but like. I've been wrong about things before and maybe a morb's 'make reality more Ulgu' effect could be spread over a large area; a larger area than a powerstone array, making the spell run more efficiently in that region?
but like. I've been wrong about things before and maybe a morb's 'make reality more Ulgu' effect could be spread over a large area; a larger area than a powerstone array, making the spell run more efficiently in that region?
This does sounds like a thing to ask boney.
@Boney does rite of way need to be recast at some point or is it just a matter of having magic and keeping on chanting?
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Or put differently, whether to ask Johann to play Pokemon with us or go on a sight-seeing Tilean vacation with us.
It's a good thing Pan isn't the jealous type.
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Hey now, she's the CEO of a tech start-up, heading an internationally funded infrastructure research project. Ergrimm is the VP, Max is Head of Transformative Material Research (and also sometimes
I'm honestly a little disturbed how well the HighPoweredProbablyCorruptBusinessWoman!Mathilde AU works. Former Spy/Internal Security Service/Secret Police Agent, from a outsider class with no possibility of a life in regular society, ties to military and various very high ranked politicians, shady connections to organized crime, has more money than she should by a straight reading of the rules, large investments in a company which makes a lot of money on government contracts.
I've been listening to the underworld podcast recently, and it's amazing how many of those elements turn up there again and again.
And now I'm wondering if she's the type of criminal to instagram their crimes? I wanna say no, and she's probably professional enough not to talk about the actual stuff, but she'd totally post pictures of her sword, or her luxury gyrocopter, or her Elve Mansion, or her Shadow Death Tower.
The Bursar has already trademarked that name.
No idea, but it sounds like a great idea! Might take a while though, since that beyond her current abilities, and noone else knows the spell yet.
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I want to poke that dense gyhran nut with her at somepoint in the next ... stares at list ... four? turns?
No more than six.
That's my argument. I think it is worthwhile to poke that in the next six turns.
Maybe otherwise keep it a secret from Pans' new apprentice, lest it be eaten or something.
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Well, Battle Altars are already on the scale of altering entire battlefields, aren't they? I suppose it may depend on how big an army we're talking about in the first place. The base Rite of Way spell, without our staff boosting it, can handle "about one regiment of infantry (2500 men) or one cohort of cavalry (500 riders)." How much can the Morb boost it? I don't know, but I'm going to say "enough that Bretonnia would love to come along and do a super cavalry charge alongside us".
But this is, ironically enough, putting the cart before the horse. It's a moot consideration if we can't codify the spell in the first place.
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Sorry for my earlier post. I read your initial statement was expressing your desire to create a trade route between the Laurelin and Middenland to expressly exclude Nordland. Just realized that it meant getting the trade route running despite Nordland opposing it. I have no issue with that.
Although I hope in the intervening years Nordland has cooled down and won't oppose the trade route.
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@Boney If you don´t mind I have a few questions about how this option for the library will work...
It will only work for acquiring titles we establish a bounty on? Or the Cult of Ranald could approach us on their own initiative offering us some rare books in exchange for money and/or favors?
How this would work in the Library Purchases section? We will use the action to register the bounties with the actions and will be acquired automatically when they are available, or we would need another action to purchase them?
This would work merely as a closed bounty system (i.e. 3000 gold crows for The Book of Ashur)? Or as an open bounty system (i.e. looking for The Book of Ashur price is negotiable)?
It will only work for acquiring titles we establish a bounty on? Or the Cult of Ranald could approach us on their own initiative offering us some rare books in exchange for money and/or favors?
How this would work in the Library Purchases section? We will use the action to register the bounties with the actions and will be acquired automatically when they are available, or we would need another action to purchase them?
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Given that either way Belegar is footing the bill and not us, is there a practical difference on our end?
It's been asked before, it's an open bounty gatcha, hence why people do not want to risk it since they might do something silly like steal from the Emperor or get us another copy of the Liber Mortis from the Cult of Sigmar
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So we need to get as much stuff as we legally can for the library before going for the Ranaldite option to fill the blank spaces on our shelves, no?It's been asked before, it's an open bounty gatcha, hence why people do not want to risk it since they might do something silly like steal from the Emperor or get us another copy of the Liber Mortis from the Cult of Sigmar
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I'm just using your post as a jumping off point for my idea, it's not actually related to what you wrote.
[Note, in this scenario, the Enoir no longer make use of trees that require precious metals to act as waystones]. I dunno if this is viable, I'm just throwing out the idea incase something workable can be made from it:
Nordland don't 'deserve' it, sure. It is rewarding Nordland's threat of further demolishing of the Eonir's defences, yes. But putting aside 'right' and ethics and the like, in terms of preventing further encroaching on the forest, something somewhat sustainable:
I wonder how much effort it would take to create a controlled area where trees grow really quickly, enough for sustainable harvesting that matches or mildly exceeds[1] the amount of wood the current population of Nordland harvests from their forest.
If that area is in the hands of the Eonir, and they are paid by Nordland for the rights to harvest from it, then they have a blatant threat: If Nordland does not self-police against 'rogue' harvesters, we will turn off the enchantment that is growing these trees quickly. If you do not pay rent[1], we will turn off the enchantment.
[If Nordland agrees to police against 'rogue harvesters' then people cutting down the Eonir's defences are unaffiliated with Nordlands's power structures and the Eonir can attack them without Nordland making a fuss]
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If the Eonir are brought to the point of turning off the enchantment, and things go back to the old ways, then trade groups in the empire will loose access to a market, so that should put pressure on Nordland to keep to the 'fast wood growth zone'
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[1] 'paying rent' is to make the Eonir feel better about putting effort towards this enchantment... that is being used to basically bribe Nordland to not demolish their defences
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I'm sorry I'm harping on this so much but I'm still baffled by this. Windherding went down without a fight to a paper. People are seriously talking as if this is the make or break turn for apparition binding, while no one is saying a word about the fact that the Windherder faction has, to the best of my knowledge, been murdered to the last man by the Windfall Cabal.
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might do something silly like steal from the Emperor or get us another copy of the Liber Mortis from the Cult of Sigmar
"There's a really long list of 'Not Requireds' attached to the commission. That'll complicate the caper.
Let's see… Dwarven: Chemistry (any), Dwarven: Metallurgy (any)… Don't know who speaks Dwarf anyway. Sylvanian: Necromancy (Antiquarian)?!"
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Windherder was substituted by Windfall because Egrimm cannot just write the paper himself and give us credit when it was his bloody project in the first place.
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[X] Plan Lore and Metal, Windfall Edition
[X] Plan Codifying and Swords
Okay, fine, I'll add an approval vote for polishing off Branarhune sooner if people are so worried about apparitions never getting done (which frankly I think would be fine but I'm willing to respect that I'm in the minority there).
[X] Plan Codifying and Swords
Okay, fine, I'll add an approval vote for polishing off Branarhune sooner if people are so worried about apparitions never getting done (which frankly I think would be fine but I'm willing to respect that I'm in the minority there).
Yeah, and if you don't wanna end up like the rest of 'em sorry fools, you'll hush up, eh?
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