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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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@Boney Just making sure. When Milica is talking about Ice Witches, she's talking about Lord Magister equivalent level Ice Witches right? Like, battlefield altering casters and not just Magister level. As excellent as having two or three more casters would be, they don't match up to a Regiment unless they're pretty up there. I assume that Ice Witches can punch beyond their weight class in Kislev though.
 
[x] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[x] Bring in Ice Witches
[x] Investigate the missing leyline

These seem the best options.

Would it be feasible to temporarily block the leyline from Kislev like we did with Vlag? Would it be a good idea?
 
[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[X] Find the Boyar

Gathering force of arms and finding out why the trees want this dude dead sounds like the best thing to focus on for the moment.

I wonder if we'll have time to poke at the way stone after the battle? I'm still dithering on whether I want to vote for the Boyar or the magic weirdness
 
Alratan said:
Settra didn't, I believe, although that's a horrible thing to say about such a modest man. There are better attestations that Amenemhetum the Great of Zandhri did around -1,200 IC and Alcadazziar conquered up into Averland in -1,150.

Both of these are well after the dwarves apparently encountered the Belthani in 1,500 IC.

The problem is that Settra, according to is hagiography, ruled everything south of the Black Mountains from -2,460 IC to -2,000 IC. There was also apparently an elven city ruled by a dragon rider in the middle of the Badlands called Oreragar, and elven and hill dwarf settlements there.

Basically, the legendary history of Settra is pretty incompatible with the records of history as we know it. The way I'd reconcile that is to say that his legend grew in the telling.
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Source for Oreragar? Because the wikis have nothing on it.

Just because Alcadizzar conquered that far, how does that mean Settra couldn't have?

It would be shocking if Nehekhara hadn't contracted some between Nagash and the post-Nagash instability.
 
Alratan said:
As I think I mentioned above; we know when Nehekhara extended into Averland; and it was in -1,150 IC*. This is three hundred and fifty years after Tome of Salvation says first contact with the Belthani happened (and Tylos isn't really meaningfully south of Karaz-a-Karak). Also, the Empire doesn't consider the Belthani their ancestors according to Tome of Salvation, but as primitives the dwaves disdained and their own ancestors replaced. Unusually for GW, this is one of the few places where events actually line up.

And encounters in the south that weren't worth recording and rather different to centuries of sharing a city with, or being conquered by.

* there's a map of Nehekhara's expansion north (with dates, perhaps?).
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Do you have a citation for -1150 being a time that Nehekhara was expanding into Averland? Because the significance of that date is that it's the year that Settra woke up and waded into the thunderdome of every single other mummified king fighting each other.

There's also the entire northern coast of Araby being a bustling crossroads of Arabyan city-states trading with each other by sea for five hundred years before the Empire's ancestors met the Dwarves. Nehekhara plus Araby plus Tylos means Occam's Razor starts cutting in the direction of that meeting only being significant to the Empire because it's the first record of them, and only being significant enough to record to the Dwarves because when the Dwarves went over to say hello and fully expected to hear 'hello' back, the humans screamed and ran into the trees, leaving a bunch of poorly-made sex toys for the baffled Dwarves to investigate.

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@Boney Just making sure. When Milica is talking about Ice Witches, she's talking about Lord Magister equivalent level Ice Witches right? Like, battlefield altering casters and not just Magister level. As excellent as having two or three more casters would be, they don't match up to a Regiment unless they're pretty up there. I assume that Ice Witches can punch beyond their weight class in Kislev though.
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Yes, I clarified this in an edit to the post:
Milica says there are at least two and perhaps as many as five Ice Witches in Kislev City that would be able to respond and could meaningfully contribute to a battle.
 
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[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[X] Find the Boyar


About the waystone thing, I'd be inclined to just tell Milica (through a translator she trusts to keep their mouth shut) that we noticed the lack of power flow coming into Gross Selon from Kislev, and ask her if she knows if that is normal.

edit Thinking about it, either Mathilde feels she has some reason to keep quiet about that's not occurring to me, or Milica has responded with a 'don't know answered by Boney
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Further thoughts: if the magic in the leyline is being redirected to power a big spell, having the armies in place and then disrupting the flow might do something useful.
 
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BeepSmile said:
About the waystone thing, I'd be inclined to just tell Milica (through a translator she trust to keep their mouth shut) that we noticed the lack of power flow coming into Gross Selon from Kislev, and ask her if she know if that is normal.
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The problem is that one potential answer is "it's none of your business is what it is, why are you investigating Ice Witch secrets", and things get progressively uglier from there.
 
Well, while Athel Loren can very well be murderous without much rhyme or reason, they are usually only so in the vicinity of their holdings.
This, on the other hand, is an extremely well planned operation far from their borders, which is extremely unusual all in itself.
Add to it the shenanigans with the Nexus Stone and that we know Chaos is looking for a new Everchosen… and in the worst case this makes Boyar Kalashinivik a major chaos worshipper, potentially every bit as dangerous as Alberich we killed earlier.
I know I am reaching here, but what else would force Athel Loren to go to these lengths and invading another country just to kill one man?

So I think it is vital to actually realize what is going on here, before chaos will be the one to get a victory out of this.

[X] Find the Boyar
[X] Investigate the missing leyline
 
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tenchifew said:
Well, while Athel Loren can very well be murderous without much reason, they are usually only so in the vicinity of their holdings.
This, on the other hand, is an extremely well planned operation far fr their borders, wh is extremely unusual all in itself.
Add to it the shenanigans with the Nexus Stone and that we know Chaos is looking for a new Everchosen… and in the worst case this makes Boyar Kalashinivik potentially a major chaos worshipper, every bit as dangerous as Alberich we killed earlier.
I know I am reaching here, but what else would force Athel Loren to go to these lengths and invading another country just to kill one man?

So I think it is vital to actually realize what is going on here, before there will be a victory for chaos here.

[X] Find the Boyar
[X] Investigate the missing leyline
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That is a lot of hoops you are jumping through, we have no reason to suspect the Boyar of chaos worship and just because we encountered one candidate for everchosen once this turn does not mean we will encounter another, in fact given that there are a limited number of them that seems unlikely. Add the fact that Drycha is dubiously sane and I think we would have a very hard time trying to guess her reason. It is worth keeping in mind that the Brakenwraith of Woe is not a fey in good standing with the Asrai, she is countted dangerous and murderous even by the standards of that realm.
 
Boney said:
Do you have a citation for -1150 being a time that Nehekhara was expanding into Averland? Because the significance of that date is that it's the year that Settra woke up and waded into the thunderdome of every single other mummified king fighting each other.
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Maybe expanding is the wrong word, everything makes sense if various Tomb Kings are fleeing into Averland. :p:p:V
 
Boney said:
Do you have a citation for -1150 being a time that Nehekhara was expanding into Averland? Because the significance of that date is that it's the year that Settra woke up and waded into the thunderdome of every single other mummified king fighting each other.
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It's a map of Alcadizaar the Conqueror's realm. It shows who conquered what which you can cross reference:



For example we know the Legion of Setep's further conquests happened under Alcadizaar the Conqueror's command towards the end of his reign, which is around -1,150 IC, during the fifty years after this map. That's when the future Vlad con Carstein first went to Sylvania, as a legionary of Setep.
 
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Boney said:
After Loza translates that, Milica begins to speak with even more firmness in her tone than usual. "This is not the Empire," Loza relays. "We do not have islands of civilization in an ocean of trees and beasts. We do not accept entire realms of enemies within what we call our borders. This is our land. All of it, our land. They must die for stepping upon it."
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Badass.

Scouting of some kind seems pertinent. Leylines is pretty high reward if the hunch is correct. Ice witches is, besides being a nice force, a good political move in that they get some working experience beside us - Ljiljana was the best person to be with the Boyer for a reason, after all.
 
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