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- Zack
This worries me
Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
- Thread starter Neablis
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- Mature Sci-Fi
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- Earth
I think those people are mostly talking about reducing the slots it currently uses from 4 to 1.
Because it'll be "safe"-ish to reduce the slots and the psychic shields if it is properly bound.
- Location
- Boston
While we are exploring I think sensors are probably my highest priority for research absent other factors. The better they are the more benefits we get from explore actions and the harder it is for someone to surprise us.
Angle
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- Colorado, USA
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- They/Them/Theirs/Comrade
We have a lot of other factors to consider... But you make a good point. Lets see about researching the other stealth techs and then the druhkari craft before we go for sensors, though? They might discount sensors, they're cheap, and they'll probably end up as prereqs for the next level of sensors anyway.
Getting the Navigator ready is gonna take a while even if starting now. There should probably be at least some research next turn to get the ball rolling on that.
- Location
- A dark lair
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- He/Him/They
Great point, no notes!
"Destuctive analysis without banishing" still sounds suspiciously like "set a daemon which may have a Name and a grudge free" and I don't really trust it, but valid.
I'm working with pretty limited sources and basing my opinion on the Eisenhorn and Ravenor books, but binding demons doesn't seem like a free lunch. I believe it will be costly and will not prevent the demon in question from acting against Vita and crew subtly.
I do think the research into demonology has merit, but I don't think it will be a silver bullet.
I do think the research into demonology has merit, but I don't think it will be a silver bullet.
Bongo physically should probably fit in a small portion of a single-space chamber.
...We might want a structure that's a set of individually shielded compartments?
Or, I mean, we could bind Bongo as an experiment and then maroon it someplace inaccessible, use it as a disposable Cia target dummy, whatever. IMO owning Bongo isn't really the point of researching daemonology, researching daemonology is the point of owning Bongo.
- Location
- United Kingdom
I'm not too concerned. It's still a success, so at worst we just don't find out much about the new system and have to spend another action exploring it.
Yeah, I'd only be worried that we might not do that, leaving PoI's undiscovered. (Still don't know whether we correctly triaged PoIs in the last system or not - we never spent an action on any of the 'it's there but doesn't have a hook' orbits.)
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- He/Him
And then there was my "next turn" pitch from voting to get triple nested shielding and then put a bound bongo in one slot inside of the existing obliette while using the other three slots for the warp lab.
Shielded from each other, and both shielded from the rest of the ship by the existing 540HP chonker, all while saving BP from the reuse of the Oubliette.
(I was wrong in that plan text, the 1/4th compartment would have 20 HP which is now looking dubious without scrapcode immunity, but that'd still be 200 HP to get at the warp lab, and 560 HP to get into the rest of the ship - and in reverse, 200 HP for a bugger from the warp lap to get to Bongo for the big fat prize of 'absolutely nothing useful for getting to the rest of the ship, you spent your time and power on nothing lmao')
More or less agreed, beyond the immediate "bind bongo" and "block scrying" bits. Sensor tech is the big gap in our current doctrine of "overpower anything smaller than us, bravely run away from anything larger than us". Bigger guns for the ship are cool, but only offer marginal improvement by comparison in the context of our naval game plan.
Second place for miltech imo is improving our bots with software updates and other easy to implement infantry upgrades, because boarding parties appear to be the best way for aggressors to punch up at us right now, and when used offensively boarding parties let us capture delicious samples.
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- Location
- Milky Way
Then we should really give Cia a Cognition Filter implant
Angle
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- They/Them/Theirs/Comrade
Eh, maybe? Most of the imperium manages well enough without that kind of thing... I definitely want more anti chaos countermeasures, but I wouldn't prioritize that one. Again, see my list of techs last page.
That said, I wouldn't be against doing more neural Cybernetics research to see if the price comes down? Combat Neural Implants and Remote OMC are both nice and cheap right now.
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I'd suggest putting that one on the 'wait for Denva' list. It's one of the techs that's so convenient for them I would not be surprised to find them using it. Unless, of course, there's something we actually want to use it for before then.
Hmm. Which brings to mind: @Neablis, if we wanted to have androids along the lines of our avatars that could be used by OMC operators for telepresence, where would we look for that?
Angle
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Actually, here, let me put together some lists of stuff I think we want:
Total is currently 450, which is a decent chunk, but there's a good chance of discounts while we research it, and it would get us a *lot* of stuff - 6 techs in total.
Stealth Techs in preparation for making sensors cheaper, hopefully. Though we might have to wait a while on that last one. Total is 325, with 22 points already applied, and hopefully some more discounts incoming, for a total of 4 techs.
Neural Implant Tech. Most of this can probably wait till we get back to Denva and see what they've researched (As Aineko suggested while I was writing) - and if they haven't progressed on it much, then we'll want to start with the 50 point ones. Total cost is 400, for 5 techs.
In total, these three come out to 275, for 3 techs. I want to start with the drugs one, cause it looks like a good fundamental tech for understanding biochemistry in detail, which is important.
Total cost here is 1450, for 18 techs. But I think we can cut that down by a *lot*, if we prioritize well. My preliminary selection would be:
-[] Psychic tripwires (25 RP)
-[] Faith is my shield? (75 RP)
-[] Machine Spirit Chaos resistance (100 RP)
-[] Machine Spirit-controlled Psychic Shields (50 RP)
-[] Psytech Machine spirits (100 RP)
-[] Drugs? Drugs. (75 RP)
-[] Improved Passive Stealth (50 RP)
-[] Basic Ground force stealth (50 RP)
-[] Basic Active Stealth (75 RP)
For a total of 600 RP for 9 techs, with 22 already applied, before any discounts applied this turn, which is really not bad at all. That should get us a good chunk of progress on boosting Cia, protecting against the warp, discounting sensors, progressing stealth, progressing Machine Spirits, understanding the warp and hopefully discounting the lead in techs for warp sensors and warp comms, and progressing biology.
Total is currently 450, which is a decent chunk, but there's a good chance of discounts while we research it, and it would get us a *lot* of stuff - 6 techs in total.
Stealth Techs in preparation for making sensors cheaper, hopefully. Though we might have to wait a while on that last one. Total is 325, with 22 points already applied, and hopefully some more discounts incoming, for a total of 4 techs.
Neural Implant Tech. Most of this can probably wait till we get back to Denva and see what they've researched (As Aineko suggested while I was writing) - and if they haven't progressed on it much, then we'll want to start with the 50 point ones. Total cost is 400, for 5 techs.
In total, these three come out to 275, for 3 techs. I want to start with the drugs one, cause it looks like a good fundamental tech for understanding biochemistry in detail, which is important.
Total cost here is 1450, for 18 techs. But I think we can cut that down by a *lot*, if we prioritize well. My preliminary selection would be:
-[] Psychic tripwires (25 RP)
-[] Faith is my shield? (75 RP)
-[] Machine Spirit Chaos resistance (100 RP)
-[] Machine Spirit-controlled Psychic Shields (50 RP)
-[] Psytech Machine spirits (100 RP)
-[] Drugs? Drugs. (75 RP)
-[] Improved Passive Stealth (50 RP)
-[] Basic Ground force stealth (50 RP)
-[] Basic Active Stealth (75 RP)
For a total of 600 RP for 9 techs, with 22 already applied, before any discounts applied this turn, which is really not bad at all. That should get us a good chunk of progress on boosting Cia, protecting against the warp, discounting sensors, progressing stealth, progressing Machine Spirits, understanding the warp and hopefully discounting the lead in techs for warp sensors and warp comms, and progressing biology.
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- Zack
I think the only way we can maybe get Scrapcode Immunity again is if we get a Very Critical Success on Destructive Scrapcode Investigation (200 RP) or Destructive Scrapcode Investigation (200 RP) which I highly doubt will happen if my speculation is correct (which I highly doubt it will be).
Also, we have those Eldar biology samples, so that might go somewhere amusing.
And maybe it'd toss a discount to Juvenat tech.
Plus, being able to bombard humans with safe knockout gas would probably come in handy sooner or later.
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Angle
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Oh yeah! I want to do drugs first, but you're absolutely right, I forgot about those. I suppose we might get more from them if we research in vitro first? Then again maybe not, I don't know. :/
I was bringing up the Eldar biology in terms of its synergy with drugs research. One of the things it mentions potentially leading to is Eldar drugs, which I'd expect would benefit from having some idea of drugs in general.
...I was not thinking about the Eldar sample leading to Juvenat tech, although I guess there are some actual possible connections...
Angle
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Exactly so, yeah. My question there is in vitro - if we have enough understanding to grab some eldar cells and try cultivating them in petri dishes just to see what they do, does that mean we learn more from dissecting them? Or does it not really matter?
See this is why I think needing to stay in the next system for an extra round or two because of the low exploration roll isn't a bad thing. Because frankly we have way too many useful bordering on necessary research. Warping this system without inproved geller fields was already a bit risky of an idea when an answer was just 100 rp.
I do not have a good handle on the 'you don't have research A to research B, but you should' dynamic. It worries me a bit.
I mean while that is true the author did state he thought write-ins are great...
So I think if you can give a good reason/story for why to do one research before the other then it has a decent chance of being used. In a similar branch I think refining tech like the power armor (to make it as though we didn't get quite so bad a roll) or even completely different research we haven't unlocked might be possible if there is a good reason (for example considering the eldar ship we have "eldar hacking" seems like it could be possible even if it were not unlocked later as long as we dont destroy the ships computer.
To add further thought we might want to save a body until we have more stuff on psykers/navigators. Maybe we could get something more like that.