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Oh. The murderer's spawn arrives. A fascist with a prettier face who may well end up keeping Russia intact as the "reluctant successor", who's already had a track record of propping up his reign and "normalizing" the Russian occupation.

Frankly, in terms of personal preference, I'd much rather send her back in pieces as a down payment on repayment for her regime's actions.
Can we not? I would really like to think we are better than blaming people for their parents' actions.
 
I see no reason why Russia couldn't bite the curb without nukes, considering America did it.

Which isn't to say we should murder her, but the reasons we care about her are things like the risks of potential retaliation or the fact that we want a succession dispute to happen and that requires Alexander to have as many living kids as possible.
Ok, Russia is currently only reason Earth didn't suffer total ecosphere collapse. For all the mad and murderous stuff her dad did, she represents best of his influence on the world.
 
First off.

She is not here as a representative of a legitimate government in our eyes. Deny that she has any particular right to speak other than as the representative of a form of government we do not recognize as legitimate or having a right to have an opinion on American continental affairs. We do not recognize the Russian warlord as the legitimate government of the Russian people, or that she is a legitimate representative of "all the world".

Ms. Katerina "Romanov" will be allowed to watch.

And we will make time to list the crimes of her father's warlord empire against the free people of the continent.

....Atlanta got nuked in this Quest's backstory. Likely the only reason things didnt' get worse is that it's implied (apparently in the original book, and definitely here in this Quest by @PoptartProdigy ) that Russia, and perhaps other states, sent commandos whose sole job was "make sure the nukes can't go off".

If Russia suffers a collapse into warlordism, we do not have the resources to do the same.

So I would ask everyone to please shove your murder-boners back in your pants and start thinking like an actual part of a government, and understand that if she gets hurt or dies on our soil, bad shit happens.

While she is here, we make sure she's safe. For the sake of every man, woman, and child of the Commonwealth.
I would take a Russian implosion over the current warlord any day.

Can we not? I would really like to think we are better than blaming people for their parents' actions.
If she had a conscience, she wouldn't be an active collaborator. She isn't some naive ingenue who doesn't know what she's doing. She's a willing member of Alexander's butchers who really wishes he'd be a bit less obvious about it.

 
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....Atlanta got nuked in this Quest's backstory. Likely the only reason things didnt' get worse is that it's implied (apparently in the original book, and definitely here in this Quest by @PoptartProdigy ) that Russia, and perhaps other states, sent commandos whose sole job was "make sure the nukes can't go off".

If Russia suffers a collapse into warlordism, we do not have the resources to do the same.
Atlanta got deliberately nuked by Russian patsies. We won't be doing that. Also, I bet that the entire world put together could pull together enough commandos to do that.

Russian collapse is our endgame either way, killing Katherine here just happens to have nothing to do with it.
 
Atlanta got deliberately nuked by Russian patsies. We won't be doing that. Also, I bet that the entire world put together could pull together enough commandos to do that.

Russian collapse is our endgame either way, killing Katherine here just happens to have nothing to do with it.
Again, I personally don't feel like rolling the dice that Russian collapsing would definitely have nothing bad happen to us.
 
First off.

She is not here as a representative of a legitimate government in our eyes. Deny that she has any particular right to speak other than as the representative of a form of government we do not recognize as legitimate or having a right to have an opinion on American continental affairs. We do not recognize the Russian warlord as the legitimate government of the Russian people, or that she is a legitimate representative of "all the world".

Ms. Katerina "Romanov" will be allowed to watch.

And we will make time to list the crimes of her father's warlord empire against the free people of the continent.
Pointless grandstanding. This literally helps no one.
 
THE NEW CHICAGO TRIBUNE

KATERINA IN CHICAGO

THE CROWN PRINCESS ARRIVES AT THE MIDWESTERN CONFERENCE

"IN THE NAME OF RUSSIA AND ALL THE WORLD, I HAVE COME."

I mean, it makes sense. America rising without care for ecological damage could well tip the world into extinction, and she seems to have made stoping that her life's work. That said, she's smart enough to understand that if we have to choose between maybe killing the world and being overrun by victora, asking us to die won't go over well. So she's going to bring actual economic and technological aid. So also might have an eye towards mending fences so America version 2.0 has a stance on Russia more nuanced than a burning desire for bloody vengeance.

I'm honestly kinda not above using that, namely making it clear we're going to use fossil fuels and damn the consequences unless we can be sure Russia won't use any aid programs to knife us as soon as its politically convenient.
 
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I would take a Russian implosion over the current warlord any day.
I would take warlord's reculant daughter instead of watching environment spiral into a hot hellhole, majority of humanity dying off and biosphere suffering expanded die-off without concentrated efforts to stop the Collapse 2.0: It's Re-Collapsing Deeper.
 
Why? She's literally done nothing to us, is not responsible for what her father does, and as a successor has no interest in continuing his policies. His son, on the other hand, likely does...
That's a fair point. My mental impression of her was someone content to do their own thing while ignoring the blood and murder it took to let her do so, but it seems Kat genuinely hates her father's entire enterprise.
 
THE NEW CHICAGO TRIBUNE

KATERINA IN CHICAGO

THE CROWN PRINCESS ARRIVES AT THE MIDWESTERN CONFERENCE

"IN THE NAME OF RUSSIA AND ALL THE WORLD, I HAVE COME."
Holy mother of pearl, I'm getting strong Nexus vibes a la Dune. I hope we have a quizat haderach lying around somewhere to navigate this quagmire.

Honestly, I hope she'll be willing to send us (trade us?) micro nuke thorium power plants, solar panels, wind turbines, and or anti-solar cells. Especially since most of those will have to pass through Victorian territory to reach us. If nothing else, a more distributed power network via panels and turbines is much harder to cripple than centrally located power plants like coal-gas-nuke
 
If she had a conscience, she wouldn't be an active collaborator. She isn't some naive ingenue who doesn't know what she's doing. She's a willing member of Alexander's butchers who really wishes he'd be a bit less obvious about it.
Her options are: 1) work with her father to try and make the world a less-shitty place, and possibly prevent gigadeaths, and 2) do nothing, and fail to reign in her father's excesses at all. Get off your high horse, and stop treating "pragmatism" as an obscenity.
 
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Pointless grandstanding. This literally helps no one.
Completely incorrect.

We have Alexander- hi, the monarchist mass murderer? Sending his heir over. This is a major optics moment.

We should not accept Russian legitimacy in any way, shape, or form, or allow them to even be seen as being able to dictate terms to us.

This is Optics 101 and an opportunity to rub their faces in their crimes with the eyes of the world on us.

Her options are: 1) work with her father to try and make the world a less-shitty place, and possibly prevent gigadeaths, and 2) do nothing, and fail to reign in her father's excesses. Get off your high horse, and stop treating "pragmatism" as an obscenity.
Oh, I see, so collaborationism is "pragmatism", is it? She's guilty of enabling every single one of her father's crimes, because she's essentially the only person in that entire mess without the excuse of "I feared for my life" for why she stood by and did nothing.
 
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...Well, this escalated beyond what I thought was possible. I say we show her everything Victoria has done, what her father supported. Show her why we fight and go from there. No matter what, we cannot let her get hurt. I wouldn't put it past some of the Vicks or other states doing something stupid.
 
...Well, this escalated beyond what I thought was possible. I say we show her everything Victoria has done, what her father supported. Show her why we fight and go from there. No matter what, we cannot let her get hurt. I wouldn't put it past some of the Vicks or other states doing something stupid.
She knows.

The thing to do now is to make her publicly own all of it, as a representative of the Russian government. She wants to show up? Make it a public trial of Alexander by proxy on camera.
 
why are people talking about killing her? how would that help us? I don't see making sure Russia collapses upon alexanders death as something inherently valuable, especially compared to an empress who intends to take a conciliatory position.
 
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I would take warlord's reculant daughter instead of watching environment spiral into a hot hellhole, majority of humanity dying off and biosphere suffering expanded die-off without concentrated efforts to stop the Collapse 2.0: It's Re-Collapsing Deeper.

I don't believe in the great man (or woman in this case) theory of history. Humanity can prevent biosphere collapse without an "Imperial Princess" making it her personal project.
 
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Oh, I see, so collaborationsim is "pragmatism", is it? She's guilty of enablign every single one of her father's crimes, because she's essentially the only person in that entire mess without the excuse of "I feared for my life" for why she stood by and did nothing.
She doesn't fear for her life from Alexander. I would be surprised if, without his protection, she would last a week.

And yes, sometimes pragmatism does mean working with scum to prevent a greater evil. It isn't called "lesser evil" for nothing. But it still means that evil is lessened.
 
why are people talking about killing her? how would that help us? I don't see making sure Russia collapses as something inherently valuable, especially compared to an empress who intends to take a conciliatory position.
The collapse of the Russian warlord state and the deaths of its leadership is a major, long overdue quest goal- and are you hearing yourself? An empress taking a "concillatory" position after the deaths the regime she was an active member of caused? The ill-gotten empire that inherently legitimizes the sort of authoritarian monarchist obscenity Alexander created?

For the sake of the world, every last one of these "monarchies" needs to be wiped out at some point. We can delay that reckoning in the name of pragmatism but let's not beat around the bush: she's a monster with a better PR face.

She doesn't fear for her life from Alexander. I would be surprised if, without his protection, she would last a week.

And yes, sometimes pragmatism does mean working with scum to prevent a greater evil. It isn't called "lesser evil" for nothing. But it still means that evil is lessened.
It's almost as if the regime she's associated with has done things that warrant death and that a good person would have left years ago, "but it's for the ecosystem" be damned.
 
Can we not? I would really like to think we are better than blaming people for their parents' actions.

As someone whose father is deservedly in federal prison yes please.

I mean, it makes sense. America rising without care for ecological damage could well tip the world into extinction, and she seems to have made stoping that her life's work. That said, she's smart enough to understand that if we have to choose between maybe killing the world and being overrun with victora, asking us to die won't go over well. So she's going to bring actual economic and technological aid. So also might have an eye towards mending fences so America version 2.0 has a stance on Russia more nuanced than a burning desire for bloody vengeance.

I'm honestly kinda not above using that, namely making it clear we're going to use fossil fuels and damn the consequences unless we can be sure Russia won't use any aid programs to knife us as soon as its politically convenient.

This is, ultimately, the one major stumbling block.
Oh, I see, so collaborationism is "pragmatism", is it? She's guilty of enabling every single one of her father's crimes, because she's essentially the only person in that entire mess without the excuse of "I feared for my life" for why she stood by and did nothing.

Literally the entire conversation was her telling her dad to fuck off, and him telling her how little mattered what she did. The telling her the only way she was able to go was as he demanded it.
 
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As someone whose father is deservedly in



This is, ultimately, the one major stumbling block.

Literally the entire conversation was her telling her dad to fuck off, and him telling her how little mattered what she did. The telling her the only way she was able to go was as he demanded it.
In the context of her being mildly concerned about mass murder and crimes against the world. Yes, clearly we're dealing with a moral paragon and not, say, one of Alexander's enablers who we have to blame for Vichy states on the American continent.

If she is here as a representative of the Russian warlord that's committed these crimes against the country, its people, and the state he attacked without provocation, treat her exactly as that implies.
 
Oh, I see, so collaborationsim is "pragmatism", is it? She's guilty of enablign every single one of her father's crimes, because she's essentially the only person in that entire mess without the excuse of "I feared for my life" for why she stood by and did nothing.
Alright, how about instead of keeping on with this line of screaming about people being bad for the things they do, you tell us what exactly Katherine should have done, that would make any sort of appreciable difference?
 
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