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At that point you might as well just write a new Constitution from scratch.
Which admittedly is where I was coming from when picking the middle option: call the Convention under the 1787 guidelines, then once the Convention was called that's procedural justification to scrap everything but the preamble and start a completely new draft, or tack entirely new law superseding the 1787 Constitution on as an amendment (I think I got that from an early draft of Reds!) which amounts to the same thing. But honestly considering how small and regional we're starting we might as well chuck the old forms and start fresh.
 
[X][IDEALS] New Capitalist
[X][IDEALS] Social Democrat
[X][CRUSH] None. This is a democracy.
[X][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
[X][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide
[X][REVIEW] The new Constitution should be put to review and possible revision every thirty years.
 
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[x][IDEALS] Social Democrat: Centered around the idea that it is the state's responsibility to ensure a bare-minimum standard of living, the Social Democrats add to the New Capitalist agenda with a push for a government guarantee of adequate housing, food, and water to all citizens -- itself a fairly titanic task. It remains rooted in the fundamental ideal of private enterprise. The Social Democrats have some interest in the potential of democratized workplaces and are willing to support them in an experimental measure.
[x][IDEALS] Socialist: Having come to refer to a specific political movement rather than an entire branch of ideology, modern socialism is focused on giving the state the power to care for allcitizens, and claims that the modern Social Democrat platform does not go far enough in pursuit of this. It also calls for a massive investment into healthcare in order to revitalize the field and make sure that there are enough medical professionals to go around (long-term, they want free healthcare, but there needs to be enough of it first). They also grant unions extensive privileges over private employers. They are fervently in favor of democratized workplaces, and openly campaign in favor of granting them special concessions.
[x][IDEALS] Communist: The old revolutionary ideology has elected to push for their aims in the democratic process. Their modern platform, in this setting, is centered around the absolute implementation of workplace democracy in addition to the same welfare and legal measures proposed by other movements. The aims of the American Communists in the present day are to break the concept of private ownership of businesses, which places them in stark opposition to Capitalist and Social Democrat thought of this era. This is a part of a larger drive towards a transition to a fully Communist society, but the Communists have quite enough to be focused on at the moment and are leaving that aside.

[x][CRUSH] None. This is a democracy. If your ideology cannot make its case to the people in practice, it deserves to fail.

[x][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.

[x][TEXT] The Constitution was utterly bereft of any kind of legal, political, or ethical merit and shall be cast into the trash heap of history where it belongs. We shall start anew from a blank slate.
[x][REVIEW] The new Constitution should be put to review and possible revision every thirty years.
 
Which admittedly is where I was coming from when picking the middle option: call the Convention under the 1787 guidelines, then once the Convention was called that's procedural justification to scrap everything but the preamble and start a completely new draft, or tack entirely new law superseding the 1787 Constitution on as an amendment (I think I got that from an early draft of Reds!) which amounts to the same thing. But honestly considering how small and regional we're starting we might as well chuck the old forms and start fresh.

I don't think we meaningfully have the capacity to call a consitutional convention under the old constituion. where are we gonna get two thirds of the olds states legislatures?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by AKuz on Mar 15, 2019 at 5:28 PM, finished with 201 posts and 82 votes.
 
[x][IDEALS] Social Democrat: Centered around the idea that it is the state's responsibility to ensure a bare-minimum standard of living, the Social Democrats add to the New Capitalist agenda with a push for a government guarantee of adequate housing, food, and water to all citizens -- itself a fairly titanic task. It remains rooted in the fundamental ideal of private enterprise. The Social Democrats have some interest in the potential of democratized workplaces and are willing to support them in an experimental measure.
[x][CRUSH] None. This is a democracy. If your ideology cannot make its case to the people in practice, it deserves to fail.
[x][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
[X][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
 
Forgot a vote.

[X][REVIEW] The new Constitution should be put to review and possible revision every thirty years.

Hey Vesca, I think you might need to repost your entire vote + whatever you want to add; not sure how the tally system works, but if you have two posts, I think it just tallies the latest one. Someone correct me if I'm wrong?
Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 15, 2019 at 6:11 PM, finished with 236 posts and 88 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 15, 2019 at 6:13 PM, finished with 237 posts and 88 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 15, 2019 at 6:15 PM, finished with 237 posts and 88 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 15, 2019 at 6:15 PM, finished with 237 posts and 88 votes.
 
The last tally is a bit of a mess. Here's a cleaned up one.
Adhoc vote count started by Deadly Snark on Mar 15, 2019 at 5:58 PM, finished with 218 posts and 85 votes.
 
Hey Vesca, I think you might need to repost your entire vote + whatever you want to add; not sure how the tally system works, but if you have two posts, I think it just tallies the latest one. Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

The only quest I really participated in over a long time was Paths of Civilization, but there changing single items like that always worked. The tally should go back and fetch the newest post of every user for every item.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Deadly Snark on Mar 15, 2019 at 5:58 PM, finished with 218 posts and 85 votes.
 
[x][IDEALS] Social Democrat: Centered around the idea that it is the state's responsibility to ensure a bare-minimum standard of living, the Social Democrats add to the New Capitalist agenda with a push for a government guarantee of adequate housing, food, and water to all citizens -- itself a fairly titanic task. It remains rooted in the fundamental ideal of private enterprise. The Social Democrats have some interest in the potential of democratized workplaces and are willing to support them in an experimental measure.
[x][CRUSH] None. This is a democracy. If your ideology cannot make its case to the people in practice, it deserves to fail.
[x][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
[X][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
 
I've been saying "Democracy good, therefore democracy in workplace good." and "Studies show democratic workplaces more efficient and productive". I'm not sure why these are so terrible?
That's not all you've been saying. This is the type of rhetoric I'm talking about:
Some would argue that being forced to rent oneself out piecemeal to the authoritarian control of a master on pain of starvation is also a violation of basic human rights. Like me. I would argue that.
You said this about employment in a social democracy. Let that sink in.
 
Btw, something is wrong with the Tally for my vote and I dont know why its like that. I decided to switch my vote for Social Democrat to Communism, but the Tally has me voting for both.
 
@Crowhunter - Something about your vote is causing the tally system to react oddly, not splitting out the options and letting them be merged with others. I think there's some font/formatting weirdness going on for some reason. You might want to try fixing it.
 
[X][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
[X][POWER] You are a devolved unitary state with subordinate governments formed or dissolved by central governmental decrees according to need

[X][CRUSH] None. This is a democracy. If your ideology cannot make its case to the people in practice, it deserves to fail.

[X][IDEALS] Socialist: Having come to refer to a specific political movement rather than an entire branch of ideology, modern socialism is focused on giving the state the power to care for allcitizens, and claims that the modern Social Democrat platform does not go far enough in pursuit of this. It also calls for a massive investment into healthcare in order to revitalize the field and make sure that there are enough medical professionals to go around (long-term, they want free healthcare, but there needs to be enough of it first). They also grant unions extensive privileges over private employers. They are fervently in favor of democratized workplaces, and openly campaign in favor of granting them special concessions.
[][IDEALS] Social Democrat: Centered around the idea that it is the state's responsibility to ensure a bare-minimum standard of living, the Social Democrats add to the New Capitalist agenda with a push for a government guarantee of adequate housing, food, and water to all citizens -- itself a fairly titanic task. It remains rooted in the fundamental ideal of private enterprise. The Social Democrats have some interest in the potential of democratized workplaces and are willing to support them in an experimental measure.

[X][TEXT] The Constitution was utterly bereft of any kind of legal, political, or ethical merit and shall be cast into the trash heap of history where it belongs. We shall start anew from a blank slate.
 
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[X][IDEALS] Social Democrat

[X][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.

[X][POWER] You are a devolved unitary state with subordinate governments formed or dissolved by central governmental decrees according to need

[X][TEXT] The Constitution was utterly bereft of any kind of legal, political, or ethical merit and shall be cast into the trash heap of history where it belongs. We shall start anew from a blank slate.

[X][REVIEW] The new Constitution should be put to review and possible revision every thirty years.
 
I also later admitted that I was incorrect when given evidence that it wasn't true.
Yes, you admitted that(though the fact that you made the claim to begin with is problematic) but the type of rhetoric you used is widely supported and used by a significant portion of the voters that vote for Socialist/Communist, hence my growing aversion towards the group.
 
Yes, you admitted that(though the fact that you made the claim to begin with is problematic) but the type of rhetoric you used is widely supported and used by a significant portion of the voters that vote for Socialist/Communist, hence my growing aversion towards the group.
could you elaborate further for those of us who are ignorant of your meaning?
 
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