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The US portion of Victoria is coal poor, with the only lignite deposits in MA.
The Canadian portion is almost as bad, with no coal deposits in Quebec, and only some bituminous/lignite deposits in Nova Scotia.
Cutting the rail links from their remaining internal coal mines might work.

We might need to build TV-guided bombs for that though, to reduce risk of shootdown.
Because the presumed presence of technical advisers suggests we might want to assume some of these sites are defended.
Poor troops, but still defended.
 
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I'm sure ex-Victorian is an excellent career choice outside Victoria. All the hate of being Victorian, none of the protection.


I asure you it is in our interest to make it so, after all we will have to tackle with ex victorians sooner than latter and if you consider militias the same as their line troops, morality wise, then I hope you are prepared to go the distance. not that I would support that, because I am not going to accept keeping these people in concentration camps
 
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that's Cowardice in the Face of the Enemy, which is presumably a firing squad sentence in Victoria, assuming they have the inquisitors and the spare ammunition for it.
Considering how these men are most likely to flee when their Inquisitor babysitters are already dead...I feel like they have decent chances!
 
What worries me is that an insurgency focus makes me think they're willing to generate insurgency forces from the population and settle down for the long haul. Remember that a wincon for them is simply outlasting us.

We could of course take the opportunity to cut off the power supply of the rest of Victoria and see just how well they settle in for the long haul, especially since I assume the Inquisitors' beloved broadcast system won't work particularly well without power. Between that and the fact that yes, Rochester and a number of other cities are only an hour away by road, we can certainly make them regret this choice of topic.

Oh I think a bunch will side with us. If we keep open food supply lines Victoria's entire strategy of "keep the population at near-starvation" is gonna make them real vulnerable. They have trained their entire population to sell out potential insurgents in exchange for food. The irony of the CMC getting pointed out the same way has a certain justice to it.

This is an excellent point. If we offer food for those with information leading to the capture of insurgents, or especially CMC, we'll probably get a number of hungry people willing to sell out their fellows to fill their bellies. Vetting the information is more of a challenge, but so long as we aren't rounding up suspected insurgents and shooting them, false accusations probably won't hurt us that badly.

If we're to be feared as devils, we may as well make ourselves the honorable sort, the sort which can be placated and reasoned with by those who do not wish to fight, or who wish to join us, while still being lethal to our enemies.
 
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Honestly, with how stripped Buffalo is, just how many people are left in the city? The CMC took like, 20 to 30k with them. There should be less than 100,000 people living in the city max. We've got 60k troops or so if every division has 10k troops.

Buffalo today is 52~ square miles. With Victoria's disdain for cities its bound to have shrunk significantly.

Use the Toledans as screen for the city and countryside to keep Victorians from sneaking in. Task the Big Red One as the QRF in case Victorian troops show up.

Liberators and Springfield divisions should cordon off the city into chunks. Going block by block, searching every house and building for IEDs, weapons, etc. Detain men of military age until the search has been completed across the entire city.

Offer good food and a ticket out of Buffalo for selling out the insurgents.
 
Vics are idiots if they think this plan will work I'm a brit so I don't know much about America but even I can see that.
 
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As someone who voted for this campaign, I feel we're falling into one of Sun Tzu's traps: we went into battle seeking victory, instead of knowing victory then seeking battle. The latter is what we did at the battle of Detroit.
Blackwell's long term strategy seems to be "use insurgencies to buy time to deal with the Crusaders". That strongly implies there won't be a decisive counterattack that would require artillery to fight off until he has a good upper hand or a bunch of spare troops.
That's not the actual objective though, that's a tactical victory. Our objective was to secure a favorable peace treaty, and Blackwell has clearly realized he can just let us exhaust ourselves while he ignores us and focuses his efforts on the Crusaders.

Our primary win condition was getting Victoria back to the negotiation table. Ergo, Victoria "wins" by refusing to do so... however going into New York state proper risks uniting the loyalists and the CMC and loss of our forces via defeat in detail

We could of course take the opportunity to cut off the power supply of the rest of Victoria and see just how well they settle in for the long haul

I like this... if we couple this with an attempt at expanding the war by including Toronto and Hamilton, then we won't need to hold Buffalo, and we could prop up a powerful counter weight to Victoria without needing the enemy to play by our rules.

Basically, I think we need to think about getting the victory even if we don't get a peace treaty at all... and build the great lakes alliance
 
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You know finally having looked at a description of the book this quest is based off I'm surprised this quest didn't happen sooner. Also hats off to pop tart for making this quest happen I cringed and felt sick when I read the description of the book this is based off.

Also sort of surprised the UK didn't hold onto the Falklands or Gibraltar at least makes me want to punch which ever idiot allowed that in the nuts.
 
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We also have the option of buying and shipping some locomotives over, welding up some railroad plows and sending them down every single railroad connecting to the city that we can find. This would be a fairly cheap way to rip up a massive amount of the Victorian logistical network, at the same time as sending effectively missiles down their railroads, as they almost definitely do not have any form of digital signal communication/good radios, they would have no warning as our trains plow into theirs on the tracks.
 
Canon Omake: Babylon On the St. Lawrence
Babylon On The St. Lawrence

Montreal, Victoria

The Belle Epoque did little to advertise itself. Tucked away in an alley on the riverside, there was no signage save for a small plaque over the otherwise totally nondescript door. From there, down a few flights of stairs and down a similarly unassuming hallway. The only thing one might pick out as strange was the heavy steel door at the end of it. All told, it was hardly an inviting introduction. But then again, a business like the Bell Epoque had no business drawing attention to itself in a town run by the Victorians.

They frequented it too, of course, as the sea of flannel that immediately came into view when the heavy steel door finally swung open showed. They came, supposedly, for the food, although in reality they likely came more for the free choice of alcoholic beverage served with it, or the various young women hanging around the bar who proved very free with their affections towards any young soldier who bought them a meal and a drink as well. The younger troops blushed and awkwardly picked away at their poutine and tried not to pull faces as they sipped their scotch or gin, while the veterans left their meals forgotten and headed straight for the back rooms with their new paramours. Montreal was a long way from home, after all, and maintaining abstinence and a sobriety pledge was tough enough when you weren't stuck in a cold, Northern backwater full of people who held you in deep and eternal contempt.

It wasn't all Vicks of course. There were dockworkers from the port, though not as many now as there had been, and sailors in from cargo ships from the Great Lakes, although if the tide of dockworkers had ebbed they had reduced to a trickle. Locals went elsewhere, preferring to avoid rubbing shoulders with their occupiers when they were trying to unwind. And of course, there were the three young men in their suits. Always filling up at least one table, they chatted and drank and smoked, and both the Vicks and the other patrons gave them a respectful distance. There was an air of danger about them, an understanding that they weren't as likely to just roll over if a militiaman tried to throw his weight around. And it was only polite, after all. They owned the place.

"So anyway," says the tallest of the three, knocking back his scotch, "We get to the Basilica, Pierre sweating bullets the whole way, he heads up at the alter, out comes Marie all dolled up in her dress- gorgeous, y'know, I couldn't have been happier for him- and then right as she starts up the aisle an Inquisitor barges into the church!"

His two companions lean forward. "No shit!" "So what'd you do?" The tall man signals a waitress for another round. "Well, you know how Pierre gets when somebody messes with family, I had to drag him back down into his seat and jab him in the ribs to keep him from tearing the guy a new one. So I get up and ask 'Is there a problem? We're just having a wedding here, no pagan rituals or nothin'.' And he says, get this, 'Don't mind me. I'm just observing to make sure the proper rites are being performed.' Can you fuckin' believe that? 'Crusaders' my ass, they're fucking policing us to make sure we worship how Augusta wants us to."

"At a wedding?" The one on the left says. "Tabernak, these guys have no sense of decency." "Fuckin' A." agrees the other one. "So go on, Marco, what happened next?" They pause for a moment as the waitress arrives with their drinks. "Well," Marco continues, "Pierre, if you can believe it, almost forgot to practice the speech in English as well as French. If I hadn't busted his balls about it all through the wedding planning he'd have either had to speak French in front of the Inquisitor or say nothing at all." The other two pause for a moment to digest that verbal hand grenade. "Jesus, he could have gotten himself killed!"

"Yeah, that's what I told him. You want a light there, Armand?" The man on the right shook his head. "Nah, I'm good." "Okay. Francois?" the other man just waved it away. "Alright, so," Armand began, leaning forward. "What happened afterwards? Did you go to Davis?"

"Yeah, of course I did, I went straight to him like 'what the fuck?' right, because he promised me the churches wouldn't get any hassle. Guess what he tells me? He says that with all the shit going on with the CMC and the fact they got their asses kicked by the Commonwealth, the Inquisitors are breathing down his neck. He only has 'limited control', he says."

"Christ."

"Only fuckin' Vicks could lose most of their army and figure that they weren't being hardcore enough."

"You said it. So I figured we were gonna try and keep a low profile for a little while, y'know? We've dealt with Inquisitors before, after all. Just sit back and wait until we've got some leverage over 'em."

Francois nodded. "Seems like a good plan." Armand scoffed. "Yeah, we thought so too, until fuckin' Carcetti-"

"-Oh, don't get me started on that prick." Marco sighed, taking a long drag on his cigarette. A look of confusion crept across Francois' face. "Wait, what'd Carcetti do? I thought he'd been making a killing selling the surplus the Vicks dumped when they were marching home."

"Yeah, he was, but apparently that wasn't enough for him. He's not happy with just owning Toronto and splitting the rackets in Buffalo with the Postmen. So when the CMC march into the city, the dumb prick gets it into his head, "Hey, these guys have plenty of morphine they're not using, they need guns-"

"-No fucking way. There's no way Carcetti's that stupid."

Marco slammed his hand down on the table. "Carcetti went to the fucking commanding officer offering to sell the arms from the baggage train in exchange for their morphine." Again, the table was struck with horrified silence. Armand let out a low whistle. "Did he think the Vicks wouldn't recognize their own equipment?"

"I heard from one of the guys that got out of Buffalo that he made a half-assed attempt to scratch off the maker's marks and serial numbers. That didn't save him, though, I hear they shot him in the middle of fucking Fountain Plaza."

"And the rest of his guys?"

"Some shot. Most conscripted. The way I hear they just grabbed 20,000 guys and marched 'em into the woods. More cannon fodder to face Blackwell's militia. Anyway, that's why I invited Armand here, Francois. He says he's got a guy who can help us get out of this jam, I've got an idea of what we should have him do, and you've got the smuggling connections to get him where he needs to go. We sort this out, quietly."

The skepticism was plain on Francois' face. The halt to trade brought on by the war had squeezed him badly, and the docks, being kept small by the Vicks essentially out of spite, had never given up that much revenue to begin with. "I dunno. Tell me about this guy of yours, Armand. Is he some button man or what?"

"Oh, he's better than that." Armand said. "Smart, tough, every job or racket I put him on, it runs just right. Y'know what happened to Charlie Brooks? He's the guy who pulled the trigger."

"He did Charlie Brooks? I thought that was some Russians from out of town. Spetsnaz types, that's what people were saying, the price of getting too deep into New York."

"Yeah, they think it was Spetsnaz because he shoots like one and he was smart enough to keep quiet about it. He doesn't like talking in general, but he can do that too or find a guy to do it for him when I need him to. If only he were Italian I'd adopt the kid straightaway. Anyway, you'll get a chance to meet him tonight."

"Here he is now." Marco said, and the three men turned to see a young man enter and swiftly kick the snow off his boots. He was built like an NHL defenseman, tall and broad-shouldered, with placid brown eyes and a lean, chiseled face. Armand waved and he swiftly went to join them.

"Monsieur Annunzia, Monsieur Bianchi." he said, nodding respectfully to Francois and Marco in turn. "Boss." he said, turning to address Armand as he stood and kissed him on both cheeks. "Gentlemen." Armand said. "This is Moose Dupont, he's a friend of ours."

"That's one hell of a name." Francois said, grinning. Moose looked unperturbed. "My mother was a big hockey fan." He said with a shrug, his face impassive. "I understand you have a job for me?"

Armand and Francois turned to Marco. "Look, I'm not sure how much you've heard about what's going on in Buffalo, but it's pretty bad. We've lost our main foothold in New York state and our primary contacts with the Victorians who distribute our smack, meth and porn to our customer base in Victoria proper. Now they're saying the Welland Canal might be sealed up, and that's killing our rackets at the docks. To top it all off, we've got Inquisitors sniffing around and our usual contacts in the administration can't protect us like they used to." He paused to make sure the gravity of the situation had sunk in, and found Moose's face remained as serious as ever.

"So we've talked about this, and what I figure right now is that for the short-to-medium-term, we're finished in Buffalo, and that means we're finished in most of Victoria until the war's over. It's just too dangerous to try and re-establish anything when we have no idea who's gonna be in charge next week. Once we can see a clear winner, we'll support them, but until then we have to look elsewhere, or we're starving." Another pause, this time gauging Francois and Armand's reactions. Both seemed willing to hear him out, though Francois still looked skeptical.

"So, where do we go? Well, before Buffalo went down Carcetti told me our friends in NYC got a look at the chick running the Commonwealth when she made her state visit, and they liked what they saw. They've gotten Detroit and Toledo by standing up to the Vicks, and they've got the kind of country my old man used to tell me about: democratic, industrialized, big urban population, so all on its own it's a pretty big market. But here's the real rub: This same guy who saw their President also has friends of friends in high places, and one of the rumors coming down is that they asked for a free trade clause with Victoria. And even more than that, Carcetti swore blind they've insisted on the Seaway being opened for international trade. To everyone."

That got a reaction. Moose blinked and let out a huff of surprise, while Francois let out a rather less reserved "Fuckin' A!" and exuberantly slammed his glass on the table. Montreal right now was a backwater: the Vicks had ripped the heart out of the place, turned Canada's second city into a stain on the map smaller even than St. John's. And Francois felt better than anyone the chafing constraints of the artificial limitations the Vicks put on the port, keeping it tiny even though it was at a natural crossroads. But if this went through, all that trade from the interior and from the outside world would be coming down into the Lakes, and even the Victorians would struggle to hold it back. He could see dollar signs in Armand's eyes: Quebec City was his, and by far the larger port of the two cities. He'd get a hefty earnings bump no matter what. But if they played this right, they could build up the port to its former glory, and once again make sure that at least a portion of that tidal wave of goods flowed through Montreal.

And he owned Montreal.

"So, Moose." Marco continued. "Here's what you're gonna do. Francois' people are gonna put you on a boat or a truck or whatever and get your ass to Detroit. And you're gonna get the lay of the land there so we can start bringing in people there. Figure out who owns what, try and scout out a good place for us to set up shop, maybe a bar or even a proper club since the Commonwealth aren't such fuckin' prudes. And once you're done there, ideally after a couple of weeks, we're sending you on to Chicago to do the same thing. Find us or build us a front, we'll send the money. And then from there, you start doing what our grandfathers did. You give to charity, or better yet, set one up. The Vicks say these guys are communists, so maybe they've got unions. You get involved in those too. You shake hands, you meet politicians, celebrities, businessmen, whoever, and you pitch opening the Saint Lawrence to them like it's one of the Ten Commandments. You understand me?"

Moose paused for a moment, taking it all in. "It's the biggest job I've ever done." He said. "But if you give me the money and the men, I can do it no problem. It might get bloody, though, if we have to kick out whoever's already set up shop there."

"I'm told you've got no trouble with that sort of thing." Marco said coolly. "Look, this could make you, big-time. You'll have all three of the Quebec families behind you, and you'll be our man in the Commonwealth. So long as you pay back our investment, and you always remember who you work for. Comprenez vous?"

"Oui." Moose said, nodding. "When do I leave?" Marco turned to Francois. "How soon can you get him out?"

"Tonight." He said, his old caution now abandoned. He turned to Moose. "Head down to the docks around ten o'clock. We'll get you on a boat to Hamilton, bring you overland from there." The young man turned lastly to Armand, who dismissed him with a nod. The table was subdued for awhile after: thinking about what had happened in Buffalo, about the Inquisitors barging into churches, the perils of an uncertain future. About the money that might be waiting on the far side of the Great Lakes, if only they could reach out and grasp it.

"We had a family in Chicago before, didn't we?" Francois spoke up, glancing over to the bar thronging with militiamen. "In the old days, I mean. Before Victoria."

"Yeah, we did." Armand spoke up. "They had a special name for it too. They had different names for everywhere. I think they used to call the Buffalo families the Arm or something. Can't remember Chicago's for the life of me though."

"The Outfit." Marco said, stubbing out the remains of his cigarette in the chipped ashtray. The smoke still hang heavy in the air. "They called it the Outfit."
 
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I would not put it past the Vic's to have rigged a nuke to blow up Buffalo and try and blame it on us, the social marxist devils who "obviously" want to massacre all the good *cough*white*cough* people.
If the Victorians have a nuke, and it's pretty probable they wouldn't be allowed to... how would Blackwell smuggle it into Buffalo without risking it getting captured by the Crusaders and used to blow him up? Remember that the Crusaders were here not long ago and pushed out in the direction of Blackwell's main forces. It sounds kind of risky to sneak such a valuable and easily turned-to-the-enemy asset to a place like this.

Time to loot the city to the bedrock. and wreck what we can't take with us when we leave.
You've been whipsawing back and forth between extreme aggression and extreme caution a lot lately; are you okay?
 
Given how utterly on fire everything is, I sincerely doubt we'll be able to spare the time unless they get stupid.
I mean, I'm speaking mostly in the abstract.

Besides, maybe the citizens of our nation band together to take care of them. We have a fairly small portion of our population mobilized in the military overall.
That's ... not really a priority. And, I mean, if there's gonna be crime, it may as well be organized.
Yeah no fuck the Mafia. They're just a slightly-more-organized misery machine.

I'll write omakes about John Franklin organizing grassroots anti-mafia groups if I have to.
 
You've been whipsawing back and forth between extreme aggression and extreme caution a lot lately; are you okay?
I'm fine and that last one was a joke, I am still paranoid about the lack of decent resistance from Victorian forces and since we probably now have an insurgency on our hands. our job is going to be harder.
 
Although we have won so far, I feel somewhat dissatisfied with the turn of events. As it has been pointed out, we went into battle seeking victory instead of knowing victory and seeking battle. At Detroit, we knew our goal, what we needed to achieve victory and then set out to shape the battle to our desire. Here for Operation Foil, we know our greater goal of forcing a favorable peace treaty but we do not know clearly what we need to do to achieve victory.

We will see if there will be a real insurgency in Buffalo or if we only saw a short failed effort at urban warfare.

I am not interested in merely sitting in a ruined city waiting for peace terms that might never arrive like Napoleon sitting in the ruins of Moscow during his invasion of Russia. The enemy has obviously written off Buffalo so we need to hurt the enemy in a different way. We must strike at the foe's economy and strategic assets in range to put real pressure on the Victorians if we can to try to bring them back to the table. Factories, railroads, power stations, and so on. But to adapt a Yamamoto quote, we can run wild for two months. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success. We should probably decide a point when we should call the operation off as a failure and retreat while destroying as much useful legitimate Victorian war material as we can so we do not end up trapped with no ammunition and no escape with winter on us. Crippling the whole power system that powers Victorian New York and the Canadian states should be a last resort considering the potential blowback from the Canadian states.
 
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Honestly, having given it some thought, I see a second option.

Option one is the destructive route. This no random destruction, but a targetted campaign against key warmaking industries. Our goals are factories and machines, the sort of heavier industry that will take time to replace. It is not civilians and farms, nor lighter rail. Out goal is to have Blackwell know that if we are allowed to stay, we will systematically dismantle his ability to make war. We base ourselves in Buffalo, striking out as needed, but always ready to fall back, and not occupying the places we dismantle the warmakng industry from.

The second option is outright conquest. It is slower, more deliberate. It is, ultimately a bluff, and bluff that sells the idea 'yes we are conquering, we are here to stay, if you do not make peace with us." We take Buffalo, we take other parts of New York. We patrol them. We unleash full propaganda. We heavily interact with civilians, encouraging women to work outside the home, take in the harvest, and supplement their food with shipments. We take control of factories, having them pump our ammo for us, or if we wish to be more cautious, tractors and farming equipment. We say "we are here to stay, so confident that we are already considering your citizenry, ours."

It is a more risky approach, if we are driven off, we leave behind a place that is, perhaps, better than we found it. But if we succeed, it is perhaps elegance itself, as Victoria remembers, we conquered and treated them better than Victoria. We had them make tractors to bring in their harvest, Victoria has them making trucks they will never see. We supplemented their food in lean times, Victoria takes. It will leave an infection perhaps more corrosive than any physical damage we could ever do. Though on the other hand, it is initially kinder, but perhaps crueler long-term than destruction. We can't take them all with us.
 
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Have you heard of the Brazilian EE-T2 Osorio?
The manufacturer went bankrupt, but it's a 40-some metric ton tank with a 105/120mm gun and unknown levels of protection.
That looks almost exactly like an AMX-40, which would also be a fairly good choice of the tank to adopt, while not being too bad in terms of production cost. We can also cheapen the composite considerably and just go fiberglass/corundum and throw some ERA on the front aspect to give it a chance. Maybe cram in a simple hydraulic autoloader to further save on mass/size and make it even cheaper for us to mass-produce.
 
The second option is outright conquest. It is slower, more deliberate. It is, ultimately a bluff, and bluff that sells the idea 'yes we are conquering, we are here to stay, if you do not make peace with us." We take Buffalo, we take other parts of New York. We patrol them. We unleash full propaganda. We heavily interact with civilians, encouraging women to work outside the home, take in the harvest, and supplement their food with shipments. We take control of factories, having them pump our ammo for us, or if we wish to be more cautious, tractors and farming equipment. We say "we are here to stay, so confident that we are already considering your citizenry, ours."

It is a more risky approach, if we are driven off, we leave behind a place that is, perhaps, better than we found it. But if we succeed, it is perhaps elegance itself, as Victoria remembers, we conquered and treated them better than Victoria. We had them make tractors to bring in their harvest, Victoria has them making trucks they will never see. We supplemented their food in lean times, Victoria takes. It will leave an infection perhaps more corrosive than any physical damage we could ever do. Though on the other hand, it is initially kinder, but perhaps crueler long-term than destruction. We can't take them all with us.
This will probably be effective at driving Victoria to the peace table, but I feel that we'll lose a lot of moral authority when we, well, abandon the people we claimed we were conquering and who we encouraged to start living in an un-Vicky way.

...though it occurs to me, as I write these words, that part of the settlement we're trying to force is freedom of movement, and if we follow that plan, we'll be able to say "bye everyone, Victoria is keeping this land, but if you liked it under our rule we have wonderful news for you."
 
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