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Fencer said:
I could feel Obi-Wan sending some kind of compulsion her way through the Force. A mild suggestion that she sleep. It was probably a good idea so I let him. People prosses things in their sleep, right? Maybe time and some rest were the best prescription we could give her right now.
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Process.

Like John, I'm surprised this is happening so soon.

On one hand, the old writers' adage of, "If you run out of ideas, have a man burst into the room with a gun," should make this a cliché. On the other...

When an author pulls out something the readers saw coming and still manages to make it a surprise, it's usually a good sign.
 
Negation said:
I thought blasters don't leave holes? They cook the targets from the inside?
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That very much depends on the actual method of operation and power output of a 'blaster'. I believe it's settled that those are not lasers but a plasma canon, operating on a specific gas?

Actual results would then range based on power from minor scorching from underpowered shots (depending on how far we go into believing this self sustaining magnetic bottle using internal currents of the plasma, potentially significant induced currents in electronic parts anyway), significant abrupt ablation (localized patches of meat getting overcooked and steam pressure causing them to erupt outwards in a small geyser from the wound, not *too* dissimilar to actual results of a high powered lasers on a meatbag as most energy transferred would be localized thermal, not kinetic) to rapid unscheduled disassembly of organic matter (a.k.a. splat).

Actual burning/ melting is unlikely to occur as the thermal transfer is too fast and water to steam expansion overwhelms other effects, IIUC (the area affected is evacuated in all directions faster than you can burn it).
 
interesting seeing some one trying of off them
wonder if its a random nut job or something wider wanting to take them out
 
stads said:
interesting seeing some one trying of off them
wonder if its a random nut job or something wider wanting to take them out
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Considering how amateurish this attempt was I'd guess these were random nutjobs... After all, "four dudes with blasters" against a trained Force user is not exactly a high success chance sort of plan for the dudes with the blasters.
 
It's also possible that this isn't an 'honest' assassination. Dark-Siders who don't want to share, or even Jedi who think of themselves as Hard Men making Hard Decisions.
 
From my understanding of Star Wars Handheld Blasters, they are mostly plasma weapons. They shoot a packet of supercharged gases held together by a magnetic field of some kind that disperses on contact with an object more solid than breathable air (Yes, they fizzle when they hit water and most cannot be used underwater at all.)

Depending on the Penetration setting on her blaster, Delia might have one of the rare ones that can shoot through stuff. Most of the time they can't, but the melted metal fragments that hitting a thin sheet of metal would launch at the guy behind it would almost be as bad as a slug from a slugthrower.

Blasters do impart momentum, it's not as much as an actual slug of the same caliber would, but it is there.
 
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Otritzi said:
From my understanding of Star Wars Handheld Blasters, they are mostly plasma weapons. They shoot a packet of supercharged gases held together by a magnetic field of some kind that disperses on contact with an object more solid than breathable air (Yes, they fizzle when they hit water and most cannot be used underwater at all.)

Depending on the Penetration setting on her blaster, Delia might have one of the rare ones that can shoot through stuff. Most of the time they can't, but the melted metal fragments that hitting a thin sheet of metal would launch at the guy behind it would almost be as bad as a slug from a slugthrower.

Blasters do impart momentum, it's not as much as an actual slug of the same caliber would, but it is there.
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Depending on actual mechanics of the magnetic bottle, the dissipation may not be instantaneous on impact with anything, especially on very thin materials, and plasma dispersion may take place over longer distances than millimeters. Indeed, we get weak evidence for that due to lack of single-use lightweight shielding in a form of an extremely thin membrane projected at a distance - it would basically invalidate all spaceship design we see, as an equivalent of layers upon layers of whipple shield- equivalents would be hard counter to the prevalence of such weapons we see in the universe. Not to mention the fact that those weapons work in atmosphere at all.

Spitballing a potential mechanic that could explain it and be somewhat consistent with the universe we see in the movies - if the magnetic bottle is held together by induced plasma currents in the projectile, then significant velocity changes would interrupt this and start dissipation, but lacking a large heat sink or something of sufficient mass to sap most of momentum, like in a case of a thin sheet of metal, majority of plasma could potentially continue in the general direction for a meter or more. Depending on exact temperatures of the plasma, dispersion radius, momentum and amounts, the effects would remain similar to a direct hit or move toward the "well done" end of spectrum with widespread 3rd degree burns over large areas of the target. Potentially combined with deeper penetration of fragments from the periphery of the initial impact site - for the penetration to realistically do any significant damage beyond, cover thickness would need to be small enough and both kinetic and thermal energy of the projectile large enough for the direct impact site to be vaporized and just added to the (slightly less now) superheated cloud of now expanding gas.

As an aside, if those bolts were so easily dispersable on contact with any solid matter, building "shields" for starships in form of projecting equivalents of soap bubbles made from actual soapy water would be even more ridiculously effective (since those are easily replenishable continuously) and be a hilarious counterpoint to actual sci-fi shields.
 
Otritzi said:
From my understanding of Star Wars Handheld Blasters, they are mostly plasma weapons. They shoot a packet of supercharged gases held together by a magnetic field of some kind that disperses on contact with an object more solid than breathable air (Yes, they fizzle when they hit water and most cannot be used underwater at all.)

Depending on the Penetration setting on her blaster, Delia might have one of the rare ones that can shoot through stuff. Most of the time they can't, but the melted metal fragments that hitting a thin sheet of metal would launch at the guy behind it would almost be as bad as a slug from a slugthrower.

Blasters do impart momentum, it's not as much as an actual slug of the same caliber would, but it is there.
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More like some vague halfway point between plasma and lasers, honestly – if it were just packets of magnetically-contained gases, then a lightsaber wouldn't be able to deflect them back at their source; the blaster bolt would just rupture open and spill all of its contents out into the immediate surroundings like a burst water balloon.
 
The17thImmortal said:
More like some vague halfway point between plasma and lasers, honestly – if it were just packets of magnetically-contained gases, then a lightsaber wouldn't be able to deflect them back at their source; the blaster bolt would just rupture open and spill all of its contents out into the immediate surroundings like a burst water balloon.
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Lightsabers themselves make so little sense in any way i saw them explained that you could just decide on plasma cannon route for blasters and throw the "lightsaber bounces shots from blasters" into "lightsabers are weird" bucket. It is a bullshit magical sword, trying to decide anything about anything else based on how said anything else interacts with it doesn't seem too productive? As in, we literally can't predict what lightsabers will do in any given situation other than "hum menacingly" and "whatever is convenient for the plot", so…

That said, a couple of examples depending on your lightsaber technobabble du jour:
Lightsabers are plasma contained by specifically shaped magnetic fields - sure, they bounce the blaster bolts by interaction of the magnetic fields, this doesn't make less sense than the first assertion.
Lightsabers are a supermaterial fiber optic helix that just pumps insane amounts of light in a loop where everything else interacts basically only with the surface leakage of the light - sure, blasters bounce for the same reason that lightsabers bounce from each other in this scenario (whatever that might be be)
Lightsabers are actually short beams of exotic particles that decay into light perpendicularly and into neutrinos or whatever is low- reactive enough in the forward direction after very specific amounts of time - sure, whatever bounces lightsabers from each other does the same to blaster bolts.
 
Lightsabers are a magnetically charged bar of photons held together by the Force. The only reason they deflect blaster bolts (and each other) is because the magnetics repel. If you get the tip of a lightsaber near the base of another saber causes them to bind really hard, imitating a hand guard, it is why most Lightsabers don't have one.
 
I don't know if someone already talked about this but I had an interesting thought and got curious. I wonder what The Ones from Mortis would think about the MC's perspective on the Force as a whole and the Dark side especifically.
 
Otritzi said:
Lightsabers are a magnetically charged bar of photons held together by the Force. The only reason they deflect blaster bolts (and each other) is because the magnetics repel. If you get the tip of a lightsaber near the base of another saber causes them to bind really hard, imitating a hand guard, it is why most Lightsabers don't have one.
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You can't magnetically charge photons. I mean, I'm not saying that you are not correct in the form of Star Wars technobabble explanation that got used somewhere, I'm saying that the explanation itself makes no bloody sense, photons are carrier particles of the electromagnetic fields. Changes in magnetic field cause/ are photons, you can't make photons themselves magnetically charged, unless you change what you mean by either of the terms.
 
asasz said:
Lightsabers are plasma contained by specifically shaped magnetic fields - sure, they bounce the blaster bolts by interaction of the magnetic fields, this doesn't make less sense than the first assertion.
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Last time I checked, this was the canon answer to how lightsabers work. It doesn't necessarily make sense in real-world physics, given how they act like they're solid and go through things rather than disperse on contact, but it's canon. Maybe Star Wars physics have different rules, but I'd guess that the Force-imbued crystals that go into making them give them Force-powered magic physics-breaking effects.
 
asasz said:
You can't magnetically charge photons. I mean, I'm not saying that you are not correct in the form of Star Wars technobabble explanation that got used somewhere, I'm saying that the explanation itself makes no bloody sense, photons are carrier particles of the electromagnetic fields. Changes in magnetic field cause/ are photons, you can't make photons themselves magnetically charged, unless you change what you mean by either of the terms.
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In fact, it was with the help of magnets that a beam of photons was deflected during an experiment at the Smithsonian Institute (if I remember the name of the scientific institution correctly). This experiment was discussed on every website related to science fiction.
 
I guess you can have materials where refractive index changes based on the magnetic field (quick google search confirms this), so you would be able to bend or deflect a laser beam with the use of magnets, but that's not involving photons having charge or adding charge to photons and is only slightly more interesting than using a magnet to move metalic mirror into the path of a laser to deflect it.

Anyway, this is moving off topic, so we should probably stop here.
 
Please do take care that while Watto is seen as using elements that are used to harmfull stereotype jewish people, not to call him jewish as that would imply that you believe in these stereotypes.
Fencer said:
Anakin cursed, inventively.
Delia responded with something very rude in huttese she must have learned from Anakin.
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Underused consideration: Anakin learned swear words in Toydarian (the flying space jew dudes), and therefore curses in very obscure language compare to everyone else.
 
Krazyfan1 said:
great as usual.
a grand christmas gift.

wonder if a video on this could also be made? Should it be made?
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A video on what happens when a force sensitive kills another sapient, and especially if it's done through The Force, is needed. And sooner rather than later.
But I'm not sure this is the right moment for our cast of plucky heroes to do it.
 
Stahor said:
Underused consideration: Anakin learned swear words in Toydarian (the flying space jew dudes), and therefore curses in very obscure language compare to everyone else.
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He probably picked up quite a few languages living in Mos Espa. Huttese would have been one of them, plus Bocce, Rhyll and a bunch of others.

(And Amatakka, but he's not likely to speak that in front of Obi-Wan let alone John or Delia.)
 
asasz said:
I guess you can have materials where refractive index changes based on the magnetic field (quick google search confirms this), so you would be able to bend or deflect a laser beam with the use of magnets, but that's not involving photons having charge or adding charge to photons and is only slightly more interesting than using a magnet to move metalic mirror into the path of a laser to deflect it.
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No. It is the deflection of the photon beam, although it may be closer to the experiment where a laser was forced to emit a shadow. The study you mentioned was discussed separately as a possible explanation for kyber crystals. Or the simplest explanation is that the deflection of the plasma beam occurs due to the kinetic force of photons (like a solar sail) and the magnetic field covering the lightsaber does not allow the magnetic field of the plasma beam to dissipate. But it does not explain the rotation of the photons that make up the lightsaber blade.
 
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