- Location
- Finland
Yeh, tough using one or the other as an anti-Endbringer beatstick and mobile base would still be a viable choice, with Fog tech you could do laser strikes at naval artillery range with improbable accuracy.
Transposition, or: Ship Happens [Worm/Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio | Arpeggio of Blue Steel]
- Thread starter ensou
- Start date
- Crossover
The Water Echo is a functionally infinite source of water who's throughput is at Leviathan's discretion. Secondly, claiming that any water would be 'blown away' without imparting any energy for thrust outright disputes existing canon where engine thrust was used to maneuver while inside an SGC lock.
Furthermore Leviathans range of control over water is, at minimum, hundreds of kilometers wide given the storms and tidal waves it controls. Again, with enough power behind it that entire land masses can be erased. There is no reason to believe that the SGC corridor would be able to keep out any water with that much power behind it, whether it is used to move Leviathan out of the way or simply to strike the attacking vessel. In fact, existing canon proves that powered weapons (rocket powered corrosive torpedos) are more than capable of moving inside that very same corridor with no trouble whatsoever as long as they aren't the target of the lock. Since Leviathan's ability functionally makes the water a powered weapon with energy profiles equal or superior to rocket engines, logic dictates that it should be just as functional inside the corridor.
Especially if Leviathan stops sandbagging.
Your objection is rejected with prejudice.
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RDMgryphon
Yuna: The first befriender.
Clearly we should change the topic to the Taylor vs Ziz danmaku and Uber & Leet realizing they stuck her in the wrong game.
baofengyu
moonfaced assassin of joy
- Location
- Pain Amplifier
Or Taylor could pull a Maya and throw a Carnival...
Taylor and Escalation go hand in hand...
Although I do wonder how Corrosive Torpedoes might affect an Endbringer...
Depends on whether they'll allow themselves to be hit. CT delivery systems are just powerful rockets and have no exotic effects that any of the three wouldn't be able to counter.
Ginny McAllister
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog
- Location
- Pacific NorthWet
I'm contemplating the Leah-as-tinker-boss idea.
Obviously, she'll have a brute body and brute strength, but you wouldn't want to advertise that, since there are virtually no tinker-brutes (unless they want to advertise her as a "better looking Mannequin"). So, what have we heard about this hypothetical tinker so far?
We've also heard that Leah might get:
So here's my wish list for Leah's bogus tinker effects:
Tinker specialty: Every tinker has their specialty. I'd suggest that they claim Leah's specialty is either "exotic particle physics" (photon canons, gravitons, dark matter, maybe nanotech since Arpeggio uses exotic nanotech*) or "gravity physics" (Klein fields, gravitons, dark matter, corrosive attacks).
Morphing face: Even with locked nanomaterials (or artificial skin or whatever) it should be possible to allow Leah to alter the contours of her face (and perhaps skin color, hair color, eye color, fingerprints) giving her a whole slew of identities. Likewise, with the ability to tap into and alter human databases, creating a dozen Driver's Licenses / ID cards (one for each face) should be trivial.
Morphing clothes: If you've got the tech for nanomachines, it ought to be trivial to create some sort of morphing clothing (or something that looks like clothing, even if it feels different, stiffer, or has an odd texture). This would go well with multiple identities.
Pocket storage: Gamer-stories give characters an "inventory" which is absurdly useful. Leah and Taylor could have something similar, for very small items held inside their bodies. This would be enough to hold a cache of IDs, credit cards, and keys, without exposing those to search and seizure, which should be enough to (somewhat) protect their multiple identities.
Mini-clones: Can the appearance of these be changed a little, to more reflect Leah's tinker identity? Or perhaps they should all become Relentless clones in miniature suits of armor. Less cute, but more anonymous and suited for Brockton Bay.
Photon pistols: Scaled-down photon cannons from the ships. This should be almost trivial, and a good match/misdirection when the ships begin to use them. I'd suggest these for Leah only; they don't seem to match Taylor's style (and probably wouldn't pack as much punch as Taylor's fist).
Klein field: This is a tough one. This is obviously a tinker item (particularly when the ships begin to use them), Taylor has shown this off a lot, but how to equip Leah with one? There are suggestions in Arpeggio** that the key technology for a Klein field is computational ability. If so…
Union Core: Perhaps Taylor could experiment with constructing these. She can already construct the shell material. Constructing the quantum computer and quantum communication system inside might be possible. That doesn't mean that Taylor could create new mental models (AI hardware and AI software are very different things). If Taylor could construct a core, putting one in Leah's frame would allow them to have unblockable, undetectable communication and eventually many other capabilities… The non-sapient system wouldn't be a mental model but perhaps a model that's less capable, more of a "mental vegetable." I suggest "onion core." (But I digress…)
Klein field (again): If Taylor can provide Leah with a core, and if she can isolate the software (which she already possesses) to generate and run a Klein field, Leah might gain that ability. Background information claims that extra hardware is needed, but there's room inside Leah's new frame. Or perhaps a backpack or belt would be better for the well-equipped tinker.
Superhacker: Arpeggio mental models and Taylor can almost instantly hack "nearby" computer systems. If Leah was given access to even a non-sapient quantum computer, she might eventually gain similar capabilities, particularly since Tattletale's shard already grants her powerful hacking abilities.
Nanomaterial: If Taylor can provide a core, she might be able to also grant Leah the ability to control nanomaterial like all the other Arpeggio mental models -- some body/clothes shapeshifting, some ship repair, some tool & gizmo creation, but slow and crude compared to QA's miraculous control. Taylor would have to learn how to transfer and "let go" of batches of nanomaterial, handing it over to Leah. That would also eliminate the nasty uncomfortable feeling of someone else wearing you.
And finally…
Personal corrosive attack: Taylor has performed graviton manipulation (against Bakuda's bomb), but we haven't seen a corrosive attack. Background info claims that mental models are capable of spontaneously generating graviton degeneracy reactions (the same effect as a Corrosive Warhead on a smaller scale). Then depending on whether this is a function of the Union Core or the nanomachines, it might be something else that Leah could also pick up if she has a core.
* Arpeggio nanotech can simulate elements and molecules.
Present-day conceptions of nanomachines are very small, molecular-sized robots (clever arrangements of normal atoms, used to create molecule-sized cogs and gears in the earliest designs). They don't have anything like the capabilities seen in Arpeggio, so those nanomachines are either magic, superscience, advanced unknown particles (quark constructions? They make and use dark matter), or ultra-advanced tech that has been incompletely described. Several of those ideas would more accurately be "picotech" or maybe "femtotech" but I'm picking some extremely tiny nits here.
**I just now realized the not-really-concealed musical link between Arpeggio and Transposition. D'oh!
Obviously, she'll have a brute body and brute strength, but you wouldn't want to advertise that, since there are virtually no tinker-brutes (unless they want to advertise her as a "better looking Mannequin"). So, what have we heard about this hypothetical tinker so far?
We've also heard that Leah might get:
So here's my wish list for Leah's bogus tinker effects:
Tinker specialty: Every tinker has their specialty. I'd suggest that they claim Leah's specialty is either "exotic particle physics" (photon canons, gravitons, dark matter, maybe nanotech since Arpeggio uses exotic nanotech*) or "gravity physics" (Klein fields, gravitons, dark matter, corrosive attacks).
Morphing face: Even with locked nanomaterials (or artificial skin or whatever) it should be possible to allow Leah to alter the contours of her face (and perhaps skin color, hair color, eye color, fingerprints) giving her a whole slew of identities. Likewise, with the ability to tap into and alter human databases, creating a dozen Driver's Licenses / ID cards (one for each face) should be trivial.
Morphing clothes: If you've got the tech for nanomachines, it ought to be trivial to create some sort of morphing clothing (or something that looks like clothing, even if it feels different, stiffer, or has an odd texture). This would go well with multiple identities.
Pocket storage: Gamer-stories give characters an "inventory" which is absurdly useful. Leah and Taylor could have something similar, for very small items held inside their bodies. This would be enough to hold a cache of IDs, credit cards, and keys, without exposing those to search and seizure, which should be enough to (somewhat) protect their multiple identities.
Mini-clones: Can the appearance of these be changed a little, to more reflect Leah's tinker identity? Or perhaps they should all become Relentless clones in miniature suits of armor. Less cute, but more anonymous and suited for Brockton Bay.
Photon pistols: Scaled-down photon cannons from the ships. This should be almost trivial, and a good match/misdirection when the ships begin to use them. I'd suggest these for Leah only; they don't seem to match Taylor's style (and probably wouldn't pack as much punch as Taylor's fist).
Klein field: This is a tough one. This is obviously a tinker item (particularly when the ships begin to use them), Taylor has shown this off a lot, but how to equip Leah with one? There are suggestions in Arpeggio** that the key technology for a Klein field is computational ability. If so…
Union Core: Perhaps Taylor could experiment with constructing these. She can already construct the shell material. Constructing the quantum computer and quantum communication system inside might be possible. That doesn't mean that Taylor could create new mental models (AI hardware and AI software are very different things). If Taylor could construct a core, putting one in Leah's frame would allow them to have unblockable, undetectable communication and eventually many other capabilities… The non-sapient system wouldn't be a mental model but perhaps a model that's less capable, more of a "mental vegetable." I suggest "onion core." (But I digress…)
Klein field (again): If Taylor can provide Leah with a core, and if she can isolate the software (which she already possesses) to generate and run a Klein field, Leah might gain that ability. Background information claims that extra hardware is needed, but there's room inside Leah's new frame. Or perhaps a backpack or belt would be better for the well-equipped tinker.
Superhacker: Arpeggio mental models and Taylor can almost instantly hack "nearby" computer systems. If Leah was given access to even a non-sapient quantum computer, she might eventually gain similar capabilities, particularly since Tattletale's shard already grants her powerful hacking abilities.
Nanomaterial: If Taylor can provide a core, she might be able to also grant Leah the ability to control nanomaterial like all the other Arpeggio mental models -- some body/clothes shapeshifting, some ship repair, some tool & gizmo creation, but slow and crude compared to QA's miraculous control. Taylor would have to learn how to transfer and "let go" of batches of nanomaterial, handing it over to Leah. That would also eliminate the nasty uncomfortable feeling of someone else wearing you.
And finally…
Personal corrosive attack: Taylor has performed graviton manipulation (against Bakuda's bomb), but we haven't seen a corrosive attack. Background info claims that mental models are capable of spontaneously generating graviton degeneracy reactions (the same effect as a Corrosive Warhead on a smaller scale). Then depending on whether this is a function of the Union Core or the nanomachines, it might be something else that Leah could also pick up if she has a core.
* Arpeggio nanotech can simulate elements and molecules.
Present-day conceptions of nanomachines are very small, molecular-sized robots (clever arrangements of normal atoms, used to create molecule-sized cogs and gears in the earliest designs). They don't have anything like the capabilities seen in Arpeggio, so those nanomachines are either magic, superscience, advanced unknown particles (quark constructions? They make and use dark matter), or ultra-advanced tech that has been incompletely described. Several of those ideas would more accurately be "picotech" or maybe "femtotech" but I'm picking some extremely tiny nits here.
**I just now realized the not-really-concealed musical link between Arpeggio and Transposition. D'oh!
ensou
Magical G̶i̶r̶l̶ Servant Mordred-chan
- Location
- NEW YORK CITY!??
- Pronouns
- She/Her
The first half of that was from a scanlation, the second was my own translation from the raws. I'll replace the first half with Seven Sea's official version, which is basically how I translated it. TLDR: it's not simulating atoms, but rather complex macro-molecular structures.
Though apparently magic and superscience might not be so far off based on the more recent chapters. Still not sure how I feel about that.
- Pronouns
- Yes
Not every Tinker knows their specialty (Hero didn't for example) and even those who know, many won't share it with the PRT, much less the public. Let them guess. Not only will that be more believable, it means there's no chance of getting caught in a lie.
Ridli Scott
(Verified acid sweater mutant)
- Location
- The Periphery
Specialties aren't a thing when Hero was alive. They only noticed that thing later.
- Location
- San Diego
Hey. How will Taylor upgrade her platform? Cause in that future leviathan attack, Taylor is 'downed' only for later to reappear with a battleship class vessel to wage war with. Which just freaks out everyone seeing a Battleship rise up out of the water and proceed to lay some delicious hate on Leviathan.
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- Pronouns
- Yes
Specialties were a thing, just not something people knew about.
eschwartz
Glorious Wordsmith and Author-Whisperer
- Location
- Roundworld
Would it make you happier if they're both actually D&D-style clerical magic, being completely powered by godly blessings -- in worshipful prayer to Arthur C. Clarke, the man who gave us Clarke's Third Law?
baofengyu
moonfaced assassin of joy
- Location
- Pain Amplifier
I'm right there with you...The latest manga chapter moves the story forward somewhat, but not sure about the ending however...
Kongou saving Gunzou and having a child with him and the whole demigod aspect? Of all the Arpeggio characters I think that Kongou would be the most likely to get along and actively aid Taylor...or...
...
Taylor finds an old picture of her mother and it IS Kongou...
...
Taylor finds an old picture of her mother and it IS Kongou...
Baughn
Healing-type writer
- Location
- Dublin
But can you imagine Kongou dying in a car crash, or even "dying" as part of a plan? She's far too proud and independent for that.
Especially if she had a child she cares about. Kongou is the only one who gets to decide what Kongou does.
Especially if she had a child she cares about. Kongou is the only one who gets to decide what Kongou does.
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- Location
- Springfield, Illinois
All of the sudden a ww2 battleship comes out of the water and starts to enter the bay. A voice can be heard saying "Honey I am home!"
baofengyu
moonfaced assassin of joy
- Location
- Pain Amplifier
- Location
- Springfield, Illinois
I am more of an kancolle fan (you know that Kongo) so either one feels off to me, (I have watched the arpeggio of blue steel anime so there is that), although the last one has my top pick .
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OstermanA
(Unverified Penguin)
- Location
- $PWD
Personally, I'm of the opinion that at some point Taylor needs to show up to some gang fight with a Fletcher, and when prompted on why she thought a frigate was appropriate to bring to such a fight the response should be "Parahumans don't rate capital ships."
Much awkward silence should ensue.
Much awkward silence should ensue.
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
Fletchers are Destroyers, tho'.
- Location
- Missouri
Capital Ships would be Battleships in WW2 or Aircraft Carriers today. They're the ships around which the rest of the group is formed. The capital of the fleet, as it were.
OstermanA
(Unverified Penguin)
- Location
- $PWD
Yeah, but I referred to a Fletcher, specifically, as a frigate and was correctly called out on that. Neither destroyers nor frigates are capital ships, of course.
- Location
- Missouri
Ah, whoops. My eyes skimmed right over that and read "destroyer" where you'd written "frigate."
- Location
- Beyond the Unknowable Veil
A friggin' what?Ah, whoops. My eyes skimmed right over that and read "destroyer" where you'd written "frigate."
It would be even funnier if following this at the next Endbringer fight, she DOES bring a battleship.
Even funnier if it is flying, shaped like a Yamato-class, and includes a spinal mounted energy weapon that annihilates the Endbringer.