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Transposition, or: Ship Happens [Worm/Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio | Arpeggio of Blue Steel]

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Mal-3 said:
Reminder: the posthuman nanomachine colony is still fifteen years old, people. Going any further down this line of inquiry is a real bad idea.
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I don't see the problem.

The next step in this line of inquiry is that Taylor is perfectly free of giving her sub a name.

You really are a repressed pervert... Get your mind out of the gutter, and avoid looking for meanings that are not there.
 
13th Fleet said:
Yeah, I'd rather not have chapters that amount to various groups going "oh no we're so freaked out by actions taken by protagonist" and "look at how amazing the protagonist is." That type of thing isn't good.
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Well, at least I believe it should be done very sparingly at most. The moment it starts happening too much the story tends to stop being a real story and becoming a dubious series of increasingly unlikely events that exist only to harvest incredulity and panic.
 
Javi said:
Just imagine how crazy the PHO will became at daybreak, with the Graveyard dissappeared and Lung free again...
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This actually is a good use of PHO interludes. And, if you need a more focused freak-out, pick ONE group that has the person reading PHO as a member (e.g. having Piggot, Rennick, Miss Militia, or Armsmaster reading PHO and then going to an all-hands meeting of the Protectorate+PRT Director/Vice Director) to follow for that scene.
 
Stahor said:
You would not call you brain and your body with different names, do you?
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Well...

I call my brain my brain, and my body my body. That's what naming is for.

Nothing says Taylor can't call the different things she makes different things based on design or function. After all, she's not going to go to herself the shipyard to pull herself her hull out of herself storage just so she can stand herself her human body on herself the top deck as she pilots herself whatever her ship is around the bay before returning to herself the shipyard.
 
To be fair, we do refer to "right index finger" and "left big toe." I imagine, if we had more than one body, we'd start to consider naming them, as names would be faster referents than descriptions. Her friends Lisa and Charlotte might have an easier time remembering which one is the Unyielding than they would which of a dozen subs is "submarine no. 8."
 
Javi said:
Just imagine how crazy the PHO will became at daybreak, with the Graveyard dissappeared and Lung free again...

but we souldnt talk more about the legality and reaction to the 1 purchase of Taylor and Bet-Fog, what we should talk is with what name she will baptise his sub and future projects
And then could & should Taylor try to help in Camberra (if Ziz hasnt attack yet) because for the powers she is a object she didnt got the protection of Manton Effect. And if she helps, can even appear there with her submarine in time?
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What Sub is this? And she can get her forces to Canberra with her aircraft.
 
Mackon said:
What Sub is this? And she can get her forces to Canberra with her aircraft.
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She built a submarine in one of the three small drydocks in the shipyard. A Gato or Balao class, I think, but with a Fog twist. As for bringing her forces to Canberra... What forces? She doesn't have any. Only a fuckton of nanomaterials and the former Tattletale that is still coming to grips with the massive changes to her life.

On the subject of the nanomaterials, I think that the 190k tons she managed to extract from the Boat Graveyard are not enough to fill one of the battleship/carrier sized drydocks, let alone all five. Specially after refurbishing and replacing the buildings. Drydock berths are considerably bigger than the ships they are intended to hold inside, and filling all that volume with nanomaterials seems unlikely with the amount available. It also makes more sense to keep the drydocks full of water and the nanomaterials below the water. Well, except for the one with the submarine.
 
When Taylor cleaned the Graveyard did she eat as well the Supertanker of the Bay?

ensou said:
finished eating the Boat Graveyard at three-thirty in the morning. It was now mine in every way that matter, a part of me at the most fundamental level.

Over a hundred and eighty thousand tons of steel, converted to nanomaterial.
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If the Bay channel open i think the Mayor &co and many people in the city will be less strict with Taylor as she has just revitalise the city, no?
 
Javi said:
When Taylor cleaned the Graveyard did she eat as well the Supertanker of the Bay?



If the Bay channel open i think the Mayor &co and many people in the city will be less strict with Taylor as she has just revitalise the city, no?
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It should be noted that this isn't going to bring the shipping back. International trade is suffering because of increased nationalism, isolationism and endbringer damage to ports. That was the cause of the riots in the first place, at this point the city has lost all of its infrastructure to handle container ships and what ships do still transport goods have already found alternate routes they're unlikely to alter. Basically she cleaned up an eyesore.
 
The Destroyer said:
It should be noted that this isn't going to bring the shipping back. International trade is suffering because of increased nationalism, isolationism and endbringer damage to ports. That was the cause of the riots in the first place, at this point the city has lost all of its infrastructure to handle container ships and what ships do still transport goods have already found alternate routes they're unlikely to alter. Basically she cleaned up an eyesore.
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True but if it wont bring back trade then Taylor will find another way. She has non tinker tech that is hundreds if not thousands of years more advance then the best tinker tech. all she has to do is somehow find ways t reproduce the tech without using her Nantes to fudge the results. If she can establish an industry around her tech then trade would return even if it is limited.
 
vohlm said:
True but if it wont bring back trade then Taylor will find another way. She has non tinker tech that is hundreds if not thousands of years more advance then the best tinker tech. all she has to do is somehow find ways t reproduce the tech without using her Nantes to fudge the results. If she can establish an industry around her tech then trade would return even if it is limited.
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Even AOBS humanity, who is fudging around with their own level of clarketech and are considerably more advanced than Bet's population, aren't even close to fully understanding, much less reproducing Fogtech.

Bet isn't going to be able to reproduce Taylor's stuff anytime soon.
 
RDJ said:
Even AOBS humanity, who is fudging around with their own level of clarketech and are considerably more advanced than Bet's population, aren't even close to fully understanding, much less reproducing Fogtech.

Bet isn't going to be able to reproduce Taylor's stuff anytime soon.
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Yeah, Fogtech falls slap bang into the region where 'it might as well be Magic' (and may in fact be Magic that's shifted to being more technological), which is kinda rare.

It's basically concentrated bullshit, and isn't gonna be easily replicable in any scenario if you aren't given admin access to a set of Fog construction tools.
 
RDJ said:
Bet isn't going to be able to reproduce Taylor's stuff anytime soon.
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You say that, but if Taylor gave them access to it, and the information necessary to run it, then there's nothing stopping the humans to begin mass producing it in a week. (except permission from the other Fog maybe)

Heck, since Queen Administrator basically has YES amounts of processing power, Taylor should be able to run all of Earth Bet's farming, resource gathering, trading (not that they need that with the fully self-sufficient arcologies that she should be able to make) and crisis management all by herself. She may be an uploaded human mind, and not a true AI, but she is much less restricted than Dragon, and as long as she can run multiple instances of herself (and it seems she can, although slightly diminished from the original), and has access to self replicating material at this level, she should be able to take over the world (and even begin spreading through the solar system) within a few months or years at most. Self replication at this level, and such high processing capability should allow her to do pretty much anything she wants to.

The only problems here are the Endbringers, but as long as Eidolon doesn't make them break rythm and go all out, Taylor could out-create their destruction a million times over, even if she couldn't kill them. She doesn't know about Scion, and as depressed as he is, I don't know if he would even react. Maybe he would, and then she would have a problem, but again, she doesn't know to watch out for that.

The only thing holding her back is herself.
 
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Darth Thanatos said:
On the subject of the nanomaterials, I think that the 190k tons she managed to extract from the Boat Graveyard are not enough to fill one of the battleship/carrier sized drydocks, let alone all five. Specially after refurbishing and replacing the buildings. Drydock berths are considerably bigger than the ships they are intended to hold inside, and filling all that volume with nanomaterials seems unlikely with the amount available. It also makes more sense to keep the drydocks full of water and the nanomaterials below the water. Well, except for the one with the submarine.
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its nanomaterial it can probably change density to fill most containers, even if it needs to become aerogel to do so. heh, its utility fog gettit? :V

I kinda not see the point of having actual installations on land though. she can assemble anything just fine underwater with much less chance of someone being able to attack, spy on, or try to take a sample. Even if she needed reinforcements in the city she could deliver payloads in minutes via missile or aircraft from international waters.
 
Caliburn0 said:
You say that, but if Taylor gave them access to it, and the information necessary to run it, then there's nothing stopping the humans to begin mass producing it in a week. (except permission from the other Fog maybe)
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Yes there is.

Nanomaterials. That's a big hard limit. Nanomaterials lets Taylor cheat her way through the entire production phase from resource gathering to final assembly. It's all well and good if your blueprints say "put superconductor lines here with these values", but it starts running into problems when mere humans can't even produce superconductors yet, nevermind the assembly plants to make them in mass quantities.

Even if Taylor dispensed blueprints and first principles, it will be years before you start seeing any kind of mass production.
 
Mashadarof402 said:
it will be years before you start seeing any kind of mass production.
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It would be years to get limited production from the given starting point. Possible, it is worth recalling, is not the same as practical. Graphene serves as a lovely example of this in action (immensely useful, possible to produce, but beyond the present capabilities of efficient mass production).
 
The Destroyer said:
It should be noted that this isn't going to bring the shipping back. International trade is suffering because of increased nationalism, isolationism and endbringer damage to ports. That was the cause of the riots in the first place, at this point the city has lost all of its infrastructure to handle container ships and what ships do still transport goods have already found alternate routes they're unlikely to alter. Basically she cleaned up an eyesore.
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Not necessarily. Taylor could convert random dirt into nanomaterial and use that to rebuild the port infrastructure. In a matter of days, even.

Shipping will come, then. Not much, but some, because there's some demand for goods in a newly opened port city.

Hell, if Taylor's nanomachines can mulch radioactive waste/spent nuclear fuel rods, then the government would happily ship such material to Brockton Bay for her to dispose of, especially once she demonstrates how well defended the city is.
 
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