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Should Day 2 be extended by another twenty-four hours?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 83.3%
  • No

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
End of Night 5/Start of Day 6
The party of nine from where they had entered in the night comes out to a party of seven, all of them looking as two more of their numbers have vanished. And so like every night prior, the two missing are revealed.



The first is revealed as Reisen Inaba, Moon Rabbit on Earth (@Shalmoa), who 'died' from a Knock on the Head.



The second is revealed as Alice Margatroid, Seven-Colored Puppet Master (@dinomannitro6), who 'died' from being Knocked Out In A Closet.

And a message is left upon the table to read.

Reevals needed on Walker's flip
Everyone needs progressions now IMO
Hobo's vote NAI even if late due to self-pres
Other votes probably won't get good info at this point
Not sure if absences are notable right now (Dino/Comi, YP to a lesser extent)
Figure one more affordable miss ATM but needs serious discussion given game length
Probably makes it a good spot to fill out claim space
Wiadi, Comi, Atoms are the only unclaimed ATM
Atoms can clear with N5 Town kill, Wiadi/Comi mech-locked out of Odd-Night TKP

And so the seven members of the party begin the sixth day…

End of Day is at
 
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I'm definitely gonna consider Walker and Hermit linked now (I was already wondering about such D1).

I only moved to point out something obvious. When those posts were made, there was a haze over the thread. Shalmoa was asking Walker questions for preforming a move that seemed illogical in his eyes, and I stepped forwards to defend Walker because it was clear to me that there was a misunderstanding. I pinged Walker-Bean to confirm whether or not my observations were correct: He replied by saying that he did so because he did not want to be suspected later. This more or less matched up with my theory, so I moved on and informed him on why he was being questioned (which Shalmoa understood in principle), and gave advice on how to prevent it from happening again.

I only defend Walker-Bean because I did not want another "this person is acting outside of what I consider to be reasonable so I will suspect and derive attention to them" discussion to happen again when more important things can be talked about instead, but by now it's clear that it's become a recent curiosity anyways so 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

Think about what happened to you last night, and you should get what I mean.

I don't think you saying "I'm going to secretly warn you about not doing this thing that leaks info to scum" and then following that up by "let me elaborate since you didn't get it" is very conductive to your original goal
 
actually fuck it.

[X] Vote Young Pyromancer

You have 0 right to tell me what to do at all especially when your explicitly outing things that I have not even hinted at in thread.
 
Yeah also to be frank...I generally hate open secretive signaling like this. I'm very tempted to push YP for that on principle but alas I have reads to do first.
 
You're making me interrupt my ISO so please stop
I don't think you saying "I'm going to secretly warn you about not doing this thing that leaks info to scum" and then following that up by "let me elaborate since you didn't get it" is very conductive to your original goal
It's better to imply stuff than risk a larger leak, imo.
Just gonna replace me with Byz like that...damn
Ah, sorry.
You have 0 right to tell me what to do at all especially when your explicitly outing things that I have not even hinted at in thread
I would hardly call that explicit. And I'm just giving you advice. Feel free to ignore it if you want.
 
Wiadi ISO (Currently ignoring any new posts until this is done, will catch up afterward)

Day 1
#173 - Couple of callouts here, including the aforementioned dunking on Nani's trust previously, and the NAI callout of Bean's DV claim. Both are topically relevant now based on the most recent conversations and lends some credence to Nani's behavior that I called out in my last post.
#218 - More principled discussion with me on the info leak stuff. NAI at absolute worst IMO.
#296/297 - Quoting seven different players within these two posts. Nothing really pops for me here but I can summarize most of these interactions as pretty okay across the board.
#307 - Kinda on the flavor discussion track, ignorable.
#344 - Seems like a more policy-esque vote on YP in relation to the "you're asking info but not giving it yourself" interaction with 99L. Akin to a kind of vote I would make around something I principally don't like TBH.
#354 - Calling out continuation of info-leak stuff. At the very least I think this solidifies that a Wiadi/Pyro team does not exist in this game.
#388 - Another quote group, though mostly toward Nictis this time around. Notable is the response to YP blocking the GM as a role blocker, which I don't think really needed a serious answer. Nictis quotes center around why 99L would repeat his line of questioning from previous game, so not inherently AI in either direction IMO.
#396 - Line of questioning to Byzantine as to whether YP/99L team is possible. Continues from a previous line of questioning so I'm okay with this in particular.
#419 - I see nothing of note here honestly.
#449/450 - The latter has nothing of note outside of musings to dig deeper for YP stuff, but the former is pretty good in asking 99L to actually justify himself via the questions already laid out for him, rather than to try dangling his power in front of everyone.
#500 - The biggest thing I get out of this post isn't actually about Wiadi, but that I really don't like #469 from Byzantine.
#505 - Generic reads-related interaction w/ Absum.
#512 - Continued conversation with Absum, now zeroing on YP's slot.
#514/515 - The latter sticks with Absum and I'm not really interested; the former pivots over to YP, but is mostly just further lines of questioning.
#517 - More Absum convo that I once again am not really interested in.
#540 - Another one, but I'm kind of developing because of it actually. The biggest takeaways I'm getting from my lack of interest up to this point are that, firstly, I was totally correct about Wiadi feeling samey compared to other slots at the time, and secondly, if Wiadi is Scum, she did nothing to leverage it at any point during Day 1. Good signs so far but so time to see how the Day 2 looks in relation.

Day 2
#862 - Actually a bit curious about the disdain for the Zaealix wagon in this post, but maybe I'll see it in a later post of hers. If not, I'll ask about it directly afterward.
#864 - Same as above.
#942 - ...same as above.
#954 - Actively discussing the Zaealix idea with Ori, so there's a start on that front.
#956 - Just basic mechanics talk.
#1104 - Calls Shalmoa for culpability on the Zaealix wagon, which is explained in the next post. Outside of that, she makes the objectively correct read on me, and I am generally okay with the Nani read.
#1111 - Explanation for Shalmoa read in the previous post; like I stated before, I don't really agree that Shalmoa looked this way, but I'd say the effort is there to try to case out the slot, correct or not. Net positive.

Gonna leave off her last couple posts up to this point, since it passes the point in the thread where I'm actually knowledgeable. Overall evaluation is pretty decent -- her Day 1 is decidedly better so far, but I think that says more about the quality of Day 2 overall than it does a change in performance from Wiadi specifically right now. That idea needs more time to marinate in any case.

Catching up on everything else now.
 
I'm not saying there is. I'm saying it's suspicious how certain you sound about that list of trusted players. Especially -Rosen.

For those who don't remember, Variable Byz and I recently lost a -Rosen/Nictis scum endgame. With that in mind, I feel like town!Variable would be reluctant to townread -Rosen so quickly again. And yet they seem to be doing it even quicker than last time.
And I believe you ran a bus over me last game, if remember correctly, so what is your point? I'm a little skeptical of Byzantine this game as well, but he mentioned that he had personal business he was dealing with, so I'm letting that slide given the more suspect people here. Nictis I did trust this game, since this is a new game, my instincts were right there since he flipped town. I wasn't a fan of Zaealix bandwagon either and lo and behold he was also town. So far, my thinking and trust has served me well.

You are simply trying to swim out of the hot water you're in right now.

[x] Vote Young Pyromancer
 
Also since we're refering to that scramble of a f5 game I'll also note variable didn't get hung on that by trusting -Rosen, they got hung on that game via trusting a town check on godfather Nictis and not voting them. I got hung by trusting rosen and letting them cook me, but even still what happened one game shouldn't taint and carry over to another, it's just good to be mindful.
 
Now then, once my PTSD from the repeated LyLo's from previous games passes I think I'll continue my reads.

P.S. you didn't kill me n1 but feel free to kill me like, night 5 or something, don't leave me in the finals again I beg of thee.
 
Yeah also to be frank...I generally hate open secretive signaling like this. I'm very tempted to push YP for that on principle but alas I have reads to do first.
I'm contractually obligated to be a schemer this game, sorry.
You are simply trying to swim out of the hot water you're in right now
First, your chronology is off. I wrote that before people started voting me.

Second, I'm trying to post actual reads, because I haven't really done that much this game.
 
I know I play open with guns but come on dude:

A) I don't ever let people tell me what to do.
B) I do actually understand information control.
 
Just gonna replace me with Byz like that...damn.
I'll never forget that day, homie.

Also since we're refering to that scramble of a f5 game I'll also note variable didn't get hung on that by trusting -Rosen, they got hung on that game via trusting a town check on godfather Nictis and not voting them. I got hung by trusting rosen and letting them cook me, but even still what happened one game shouldn't taint and carry over to another, it's just good to be mindful.
Which is what I'm way more suspicious of any early mentioning of roles now. They're kinks in the chain I'd prefer straightened before the endgame.
 
I don't even think the concern is that YP called out Ori for doing... something at night that she didn't mention in the thread, it's YP implying that he can check for that information as an ability

Like... huh?
 
Which is what I'm way more suspicious of any early mentioning of roles now. They're kinks in the chain I'd prefer straightened before the endgame.

Good lord the irony here XD. I mean what we have confirmed is very light except an exceptionally poor vig shot. As of right now we're kind of in full dayplay mode.
 
Finally, I hadn't commented on the 99Lies action claim stuff yet. I do agree that if they're town it's slightly better to stay silent and I do currently believe the claim, so it's fine for now. However, I'm not a huge fan of "it's self-solving anyway" (even if it's kinda true). I don't really want to end up with 99Lies alive much later, zero action info and no idea if it's because of targeting or scum. Hopefully there'd be other stuff to solve from at such a point but nyeh.
Yeah I would probably say that on a general level, the further we get without seeing 99L eat a shot, the less credible the claim becomes, but that isn't really something I'm willing to say vote him up over -- that is to say, the leash for this claim is pretty long IMO.
 
Really does feel like an extended day 1 with a bunch of scrambling but no Nictis to centralize hard pushes. @-Rosen can you go more in depth on your nani push here? I'm reading back as I can but I'd like to see where your standing more clearly.
Comes down pretty much entirely to #1122 which at the time felt like pretty heavy shade to Wiadi without any real warning, but on the Wiadi ISO I was able to find that this progression does exist (albeit, only really from the one post toward the very start of the game), so I'm only kind of lukewarm on it now. Still don't like the post, but the reasoning for it being made is understandable.
 
But we have a whole universe of relatively inactive posters and players who only get active toward EoD, so I'm regarding you as more suspicious than before.
So what I'm gathering from this is that Wiadi working along the people posting in the thread right now, and not the people who aren't, is suspicious?

Either this is a really bad reason to be suspicious of someone, or I am very confused about this line of reasoning.
 
I did answer, it wasn't a satisfying one because no one had done anything, and no one's goofing off was particularly stand out.

Some things have happened since then, though.

99L question is strange, but honestly I suspect they are town trying to stir the pot, knowing that it worked great for stirring the pot last game. It was not at all productive stirring though, and it was only because of the sker it didn't backfire dramatically so I am more than a little vexed about him doing that entirely unprompted.


Nani, Rosen, YP, Wise Hermit.
Town read of Lies right off the bat.
Nani is trying to reprise his town action of last game without any real consideration for what it accomplished in that game (almost letting the cultafia run wild). A great way to do a scummy action while getting some town cred for it anyway since you demonstrably do it as town.

Rosen I'm just always paranoid of, nothing I can consciously think of stands out right now. Still.

YP's offness feels a lot like he does when he oopsies as scum and rapidly tries to backpedal into whatever he actually was aiming to say. Weak but present.

Wise is basically entirely gutfeel - he did a lot to get noticed without actually doing anything even slightly productive for the game.

I'm never sure what the right balance numbers are for this game, but ??? On a potential 5th for now.
Negative reads of me, wise, and Nani.
I've been on a team with Pyro before and I don't see this interaction as being outside his behavior for being on a team with someone. The interactions don't feel fake, but them being real would be pretty typical for a play done without waiting for anyone to answer, which I know for a fact Pyro will do :D
Stating Pyro/Lies could be scum.
Does anyone else notice this comment implies he is not town?
This is a reach, and it's probably their post I dislike the most.
Also I should probably actually vote. @NinetyNineLies headsup

[x] vote NinetyNineLies

His post trying to get people off of him definitely reads to me as non-town trying to claim to be a town-friendly 3P. Which I don't really buy. Combined with the odd question and his strange defense of it my vote is landing here.
Changed from town-read to scum-read based on the dubious interpretation outlined in the above post. Kinda bad ngl.
I mean the problem with this theory is that the question is then why would he possibly do that as town, too? It didn't actually accomplish anything positive last game, and would have likely caused a disaster if the sker hadn't koed Rosen N1. So there is just no sane reasoning behind him doing it as either alignment, which makes it a very big ??? as to why he did so.

I was willing to let it go up until he implied he is not actually town.
Again, Byzantine sticks to a dubious reading of lies's post as the justification for their changed vote, which I don't love. Could still be town though.
Absum feels really odd this game, but I'm not sure if that's in a scum way or if they are just having trouble communicating.

Ori has a quite good track record with catching Zaealix as scum, though that may just be a general belief zaealix is scum tbh
@Byzantine can you elaborate more on your thoughts of Absom?
I'm actually in a similar mindset here. It isn't that 99L is the most suspicious I've ever seen, but just trying to kick life into a vote you think is good, ala Rosen in #588 makes me suspicious about your motivation.
Suspicion of Nani.
Huh, that is a good catch. Hugh knows better than this.

Hmm, checking every vote ever placed he's put down two votes, both of which were memes.

@hugh_donnetono explain yourself.

[x] vote hugh_donnetono


They seem to be catching their stride a bit more, and are not as hard to understand at this point in the game. I'm going to conclude the original post I made the answer was they were having trouble communicating and are starting to see how to interact here in a productive manner. I'm going to give them a town lean, for now.
Cements High vote as a wagon.
Also for the record I completely agree that how Walker came into this conversation was suspicious as hell. We do not want the DV throwing around their power while advertising it. It basically screams "hi, let me, scum, be the one to decide which wagon wins! I promise it won't hurt town!"
Walker's entrance sus, which I disagree with. I think Walker was fine. Sure, it's not a good proposal, but making the proposal isn't inherently stubborn, I would do it for you.
 
Town read of Lies right off the bat.

Negative reads of me, wise, and Nani.

Stating Pyro/Lies could be scum.

This is a reach, and it's probably their post I dislike the most.

Changed from town-read to scum-read based on the dubious interpretation outlined in the above post. Kinda bad ngl.

Again, Byzantine sticks to a dubious reading of lies's post as the justification for their changed vote, which I don't love. Could still be town though.

@Byzantine can you elaborate more on your thoughts of Absom?

Suspicion of Nani.

Cements High vote as a wagon.

Walker's entrance sus, which I disagree with. I think Walker was fine. Sure, it's not a good proposal, but making the proposal isn't inherently stubborn, I would do it for you.
An wait I forgot to say what this was.

This is me breaking down Byzantine, since people haven't really discussed them much.
 
I'm not saying there is. I'm saying it's suspicious how certain you sound about that list of trusted players. Especially -Rosen.

For those who don't remember, Variable Byz and I recently lost a -Rosen/Nictis scum endgame. With that in mind, I feel like town!Variable would be reluctant to townread -Rosen so quickly again. And yet they seem to be doing it even quicker than last time.
As much as I'm pretty meh about his reads (scum reads in particular are super out of line with my own space for pretty iffy reasons), I don't think this is a great line of argumentation against them. Up until this game Variable has straight up never seen Town!Rosen before. Which, while I try to keep my play style relatively consistent between alignments for the benefit of overall quality, the lack of a previous Town sample makes it at least understandable why this idea wouldn't apply to him specifically.
 
So what I'm gathering from this is that Wiadi working along the people posting in the thread right now, and not the people who aren't, is suspicious?

Either this is a really bad reason to be suspicious of someone, or I am very confused about this line of reasoning.
I think her pushing me suspicious when we have far more suspect people, both active and inactive.
 
actually fuck it.

[X] Vote Young Pyromancer

You have 0 right to tell me what to do at all especially when your explicitly outing things that I have not even hinted at in thread.
As much as I think this is a good vote to prevent future leakage, I'm hesitant to say this should be the vote we look at in light of Variable's recent postings. I'd rather tell YP to just stop trying to be fancy about this right now and pivot to a suspect slot.

That being said, further elaboration is not needed, and I will deathtunnel anyone who asks :V
 
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