The party of nine from where they had entered in the night comes out to a party of seven, all of them looking as two more of their numbers have vanished. And so like every night prior, the two missing are revealed.
The second is revealed as Alice Margatroid, Seven-Colored Puppet Master (@dinomannitro6), who 'died' from being Knocked Out In A Closet.
And a message is left upon the table to read.
Reevals needed on Walker's flip
Everyone needs progressions now IMO
Hobo's vote NAI even if late due to self-pres
Other votes probably won't get good info at this point
Not sure if absences are notable right now (Dino/Comi, YP to a lesser extent)
Figure one more affordable miss ATM but needs serious discussion given game length
Probably makes it a good spot to fill out claim space
Wiadi, Comi, Atoms are the only unclaimed ATM
Atoms can clear with N5 Town kill, Wiadi/Comi mech-locked out of Odd-Night TKP
Also I should probably actually vote. @NinetyNineLies headsup
[x] vote NinetyNineLies
His post trying to get people off of him definitely reads to me as non-town trying to claim to be a town-friendly 3P. Which I don't really buy. Combined with the odd question and his strange defense of it my vote is landing here.
Hm. Overall the first 11 pages feel kind of noisy, to be honest? There's probably more here than I'm seeing right now but -Rosen just generally comes across as decently reasonable, but last game they showed they can fake that really easily, especially early game when we're focusing more on abstractions than the actual gamestate and firm stances on players and having to develop them organically over time. So not much meat there. I think the way YP kind of argues themselves into moving toward a Zealix wagon and then backing off feels like an organic town process, and overall I think that A Wise Hermit is providing a lot of forthright and thoughtful analysis without strictly coming across as heavily coached or focused-tested at all, as it were, so I'm inclined to give them a town read right now too. Zaelix's argument is bad but Zaealix actually taking a stance on something this earl,y even if it's wonky and weird, feels a bit different from hwo they were alst game. In general though they're just kind of being themselves, I might give them a bit of a point for immediately dropping it rather than committing to it as an excuse to not just be floating around doing nothing, though. But that's very very tentative.
as someone who has scummed with you, seeing this makes me immediately think "no it isn't, you're probably hyperfixating on one specific scenario as the ideal and ignoring any other possible utility"
Something about this bothers me, but I can't quite pin down what it is at the moment. Going to put a pin in it and note it here for revisiting at some point, though.
The fact that I don't feel like I have a good sense on this game at all compared to the last one concerns me. Like, maybe it's partially because I don't know the flavor, but it feels like there's a lot more noise to sort out. Also I completely forgot Logos was in this game until Page 12 when they made a fluff post, which concerns me slightly.
I play this game for social deduction I don't really care if people want to solve I probably am not going to get involved beyond like 'theres probably 4 Mafia'* and other general statements.
*This is not saying there is or isn't 4 Mafia' I am pulling this number outta my ass to illustrate the broader point I have. I am not thinking about setup composition at all because it's day fucking one and we haven't seen a single body or actual night action claim yet.
This feels slightly weird thing to feel the need to specify? Like, maybe this is because Ori just feels more passive and weird to me this game than last when she was imo pretty obviously town- though part of that might have to do with it being a themed game she doesn't have much of a knowldgebase in? Unclear- but I know I wasn't planning to jump on Ori for specifying 4 mafia in a hypothetical where she aslready had the qualifier "probably" and it just feels a little... strange specificity, and a feeling where you're patrolling your posts for potential slips and tells that I don't really like much.
99Lies town btw, probably my most confident read up to this point asdie from AWH. There is no way scum 99Lies looks at "Hey, you know what got me nearly lynched D1 as town last time? Let's do it as scum!" I think people decided to bandwagon 99Lies and I'm going to need something far stronger than this to be convinced because to me this looks at worst non-indicative, though I would argue a decently strong towntell. Rosen immediately jumping on what comes across as easy bait honestly gets a bit of an eyebrow from me, not going to lie. Roach pushing against that, meanwhile, gives me slight townvibes.
Also walking back my slight townread on Pyro because the post where they vote 99Liues, specifically phrasing it like tossing out their role info as a carrot to get rid of the votestick is imo really really bad, and it was good to see Wiadi call them out on that.
For the record, town reading 99Lies and Hermit most strongly as of this post. I'm somewhat feeling Wiadi and Roach-town atm, if only for that last post regarding Pyro, and (this is admittedly looking down a bit so I'm a dirty cheater), Nani's analysis regarding the YP-99L situation also vibes with my general thoughts really well in pretty much exactly the same way they did as town last game, so that's a solid townread from me too, actually. 99L, Hermit, Nani are probably the main townreads strong enough I'd push particularly hard against a lynch today, I don't really want a Wiadi or Roach lynch either, I think that's more likely town than not. Aside from that, I'm not feeling megastrong townvibes, though I might dig back into these chapters later, I'm trying to breeze through them at least a bit quickly right now.
Any particular reason you wanted my townreads especially?
[x] Vote NinetyNineLies
The only reason I didn't vote you earlier when you wanted claims is because youngpyro got yelled at for doing so and I didn't know why so I waited for clarification
Wow we are not vibing like we were last game, huh? Cyri I have no strong feelings on but Hermit is honestly imo pretty solidly town atm. Not sure if my reads are just worse this game or there's something more to this, but I'm just not feeling you this game yet.
Nictis' push on 99Lies is bad because he's ignoring the fact that he "got away with it" because he had a strong claim that was proven, and he nearly got lynched anyway. I'm not going to say that this is totally something a scum could not do, but it's not really something I see Scum 99Lies doing completely unprovoked when no actual attention was upon him. It's super high-rolly and draws a colossal amount of attention on you for not much purpose. Rosen's essentially seems to be a policy vote, which I don't vibe with but can understand. Nictis trying to make a case out of this gives me bad juju.
Because blocking 3 vets just for basically being vets and not because any of us have actually really done anything seems like at best a non answer, at worst casting doubt for basically no reason.
What kind of reasoning do you think Cyri should have at this stage of the game? I agree it's a non-answer, but I'm not sure a hypothetical Town-Cyri would have a substantially better one?
Shalmoa's post on 17 is some solid analysis and THANK GOD someone else noticed that really bad nopeguy post; I'm reading through this pretty fast but it felt like it was gliding past everyone. And that's an interesting thought regarding Cyri's questioning post- I'm honestly used to sort of fluff questions that start discussion but don't actually give us useful information at the early stage, which is what I interpreted that as, but I might want to crosscheck what was going on when Cyri asked those questions tbh, because it is kind of a "look at how productive I am" type beat.
FWIW, in addition to "finding someone else more sus" (which remains the gold standard, no disagreement there), rather than jumping straight to claims I think it might help more to...answer some of the questions pointed your way? Like "why the vanilla claim request again though."
I like this post from Wiadi a lot actually. Shows genuine curioisity and an interest in triyng to figure out what 99L is up to. Definitely fakeeable, but I was already geetting decent vibes off them.
Starting more discussion is town-positive and all, but this is really weak imo? That it also includes a defence for 99Lies makes it come across as scum flailing. I should consider it NAI but if 99Lies flips scum I'll be looking here.
I hate this framing, and not just because I honestly really doubt 99Lies is scum
I feel like this sort of framing starts to make the lynch feel more like a fiat accompli, when it frnakly shouldn't be, and town doesn't have a good reason to frame the discussion like that imo. Also I admittedly am a bit wary because I feel like you made more of a case that the analysis has things left to be desired than that they're actually scum, and it's really easy to pick holes in new players' analysers.
Goood ok trying to read and analyze all that at once is making my brain hurt.
Wiadi, A Wise Hermit, Nanimani, Shalmoa, 99Lies are decent townreads at this point. I really didn't like Lgoos before that Zaealix post, but Zaealix can also be really easy to fabricate a townie-looking case against, so I'm mostly still null there. The gut part of me is honestly telling me that the way I'm liking Rosen a lot less this game than last game is honestly because Rosen can just feel like they're BEING a good town palyer, because they're town, and don't necesasrily have to ACT like one. But I'm not sure on that one, it's mostly a gut read but I'd probably slot them as town too. So Wiadi, A Wise Hermit, Shalmoa, 99Lies, Nanimani, and Rosen.
Ori feels really different from how she was last game, and I don't like that at all. It's possible that this is partially due very different circumstances, so I'm not going to say that it's because she's scum this time yet, but I don't like that it feels like I can't click with her thoughts so far that well and I don't like some of her rationales. I don't like Nictis' push at all, and I don't feel like he's done that much this game aside from that, not that I can talk, I suppose. But he has had more posts and didn't have their brain die on them like mine did, so idk. Probably not a D1 lynch, there's nothing really concrete there and I don't know that we'd get much information from a Nictis lynch, but I'm circling back to that slot later.
Zaealix is being themselves, but honestly in a way that reads kinda town to me? They aren't just sitting on the sidelines eating popcorn like last game. I'm unsure, but do want to see that cook more.
I don't like YP's posts that much, aside from a slight notch that was way earlier in the game and I've gotten nothing that really rang true to me since, think the 99Lies wagon is honestly kinda bad, and vibe with the people on the YP "wagon" much more than the 99Lies wagon and therefore.
Like I'll be real with you, 99Lies feels far too much like a "Town argue themselves into voting a really obvious target with one or two scum helping and the others cheering them on" type beat for me to be at all comfortable lynching there today.
If you want to know why it's weak: Placing me as your most suspicious ("but it's not a full scumread" doesn't change that) over not responding to an accusation explicitly based on nothing and on my bedtime (???) is really bad when my response to Wiadi asking me to explain and the sudden Zaealix vote are right there. The Cyri section is better, but even then it's weird to say he wasn't defending himself while noting the vote on Ori, which was part of defending himself (via asking Ori to explain what was bad about the rb choices).
Can the people I mentioned the most actually engage with my discussion instead of playing this game of "He's pushing us very weakly therefore he's scum?" Of course I'm pushing you very weakly, the entire point of both of my posts is to showcase that while you have been performing suspicious actions, you haven't done anything definitively scummy yet, as I mentioned both times! Both post's purpose is to highlight suspicious but not necessarily negative actions so that the town may investigate / pressure them further, instead of death tunneling towards one highly suspicious person while ignoring everything else!
Now, I do understand that any accusations made towards someone can make them feel as if the person who is accusing them is guilty (as I discussed in my second post). But it is also strange to fully ignore the content of my post (which was me asking each person I mentioned to elaborate and give quiet considerations as to why those actions took place - or, even better, to respond to those accusations by taking it as an opportunity to defend themselves by helping the town)
So I suppose that in that respect, I can accommodate you for at least giving me your reads at the end; but the instinctual gut reaction to immediately scramble and call me guilty is weird after all I did was highlight an action you took and asked you to explain it, to say the least, and the only way I can think that can happen normally is if you laser-focused on my segment on you and nothing else about my the content or context of my post... Are like, the sizes of my posts provoking this reaction or sumthing?
Also, I have to mention again that you weren't my most suspicious player, and neither was Cryi, because that actually belonged to Dinomannitro when he dodged three direct pings asking him for his reads and only had like four posts the entire game... which is why I made post #433 pressuring him instead of anyone else. The reason I said "if I had to pressure one person right here and now" and chose you is because I already mentioned 99Ls at the top of my post and he's the obvious vote anyways, Bean's nowhere to be seen and we have no data on that anyways (Hold up), and Cryi was matched with you on "Suspicious but probe for more data" on the list of interesting actions
Also I get on my knees and pray to god right now because I know that people are going to misread the intention of this line right here:
If I was making a true scumread against you rather than giving muses for information, this would've been my first mark against you, rather than the avoidance of Shalmoa's post; but seeing as I am not doing that as of this moment, I will give you some time to correct this mistake.
A "Defence?" My brother in christ, I was "Defending" 99Ls from what I read as people confusing a Policy vote for a Scum vote, I implied in the first post that 99Ls is basically too wolfy to be a wolf just from his flailing around and that the bomb-shell entrance of "please everyone who's vanilla town mention you're vanilla town" is basically him just asking a stupid question and paying for it, if everyone wants to policy vote him then go ahead, I don't care, but the reason why I'm saying that I don't think he's a wolf in particular is because he's just way too obvious... but as I said towards Nictis in my second post, good on everyone that pressures him to give up answers
Gods 99Ls you better be fricking Town at this point because if you're not then bro's strategy literally is just to flail around when he's town and copy his town plays when he's scum, nobody gave me an answer on if that's true by the way and if someone tells me that it is I'll force myself to make the dreaded 99Ls post I've been teasing about
Notice how I've been defending myself this entire time instead of attacking you, the answer to why that is is because A) I genuinely can't tell if this is a counter-attack or genuine confusion and B) I'm kind of hoping that I would get people to engage with my posts and start picking up what I'm putting down
@Absum I'm actually a little confused because you seem pretty convinced in your posting that 99Lies is scum but are voting Zaealix because... I don't remember why? What's going on in your head rn?
Never did I state that your avoidance of Shalmoa's light read was, in and of itself, the action of a wolf; merely one that was suspicious and worthy of attention. I have already stated that I was merely stating interesting actions that I had observed personally to provoke discussion (Bean, you and Absum, 99Ls), and for all I knew, your customary response to light reads might not be to defend yourself as readily as I did against Logos.
This is inherently a contradictory take though? If your calling something suspicious your pointing out what you believe to be non-town behavior and without any further information to go off it's as good as calling someones actions that of a wolf.
Observation #2: Never once have you given reads or even suspicions about others involved in tonight's party, other than the ones faced with the most controversy. You voted against 99Ls when he was the obvious vote, then against Ori when she suspected your roleblocking list to be inadequate, and then against me when I suspected you of maneuvering to avoid any sort of defense.
Retort: I'm actively seeking something that is worth suspicion. My votes are there to increase pressure and to place my train of thoughts clearly on the board. I've always played like this and will continue to do so as it's worked out fairly decently in the past. Not voting and not pushing for those kinds of information leads to apathy and wasted time. I believe 99L's has inherently done something bad...and at the end of the day I can't disagree with the wagon on them, but I doubt they're actively scum? Like frankly I'm at the point of lost town that is acting too wolf to be wolf.
Then you should be reasonably doing what I'm doing in trying to seek a second wagon. Dino isn't a bad route but someone who isn't responding tends to give off the vibe of a weak wagon that no one really gets attracted too sadly.
I believe 99L's has inherently done something bad...and at the end of the day I can't disagree with the wagon on them, but I doubt they're actively scum? Like frankly I'm at the point of lost town that is acting too wolf to be wolf.
How do you feel about YP? If I missed a post where you give an opinion on them you can link me, if not give me a couple hours and my brain to be unscrambled enough to make a cogent argument but I tihink that slot's much more likely to have scum atm, and also more likely to give us information, given that honestly I feel like 99Lies would be getting votes regardless of the alignment of most of the players involved (heck, I feel like last game basically literally proved that)
Could be yes, could be aggressive/defensive behavior, but uh
Yeah for me. Not just length but formatting. Feels like you're using three or four paragraphs for what only needs one, and my eyes just kinda glazed over halfway into your last one.
For the record, this used to be a bad habit of mine too; honestly that post of mine was probably too long in itself but at least it was a catch-up. Condensing thoughts can be important because it means more people are inclined to read them. If you have really good thoughts but nobody reads them except scum looking to discredit you and pick your posts apart, you aren't really helping town that much.
I was obviously also just poking people for reads in general but yes I asked you for town reads because I wanted to see if you were townreading a specific person.
Can the people I mentioned the most actually engage with my discussion instead of playing this game of "He's pushing us very weakly therefore he's scum?" Of course I'm pushing you very weakly, the entire point of both of my posts is to showcase that while you have been performing suspicious actions, you haven't done anything definitively scummy yet, as I mentioned both times! Both post's purpose is to highlight suspicious but not necessarily negative actions so that the town may investigate / pressure them further, instead of death tunneling towards one highly suspicious person while ignoring everything else!
But you're not mentioning things that are actually suspicious! That's why it sucks! What is there to investigate about me not responding to a completely empty "well if I have to name someone" and me going to bed at 4.30 am?? Hello? Are you telling me you would have jumped on Shalmoa for that? No, right? Are you just going to say "well you should have done more to help town". Yes, uh, I did try to get other conversations going besides 99Lies. You decided that was suspicious because of timing or something? Sorry if that's not good enough for you.
And again, my interactions with Wiadi would be much better to push me on. There'd be an actual conversation there.
Also, I have to mention again that you weren't my most suspicious player, and neither was Cryi, because that actually belonged to Dinomannitro when he dodged three direct pings asking him for his reads and only had like four posts the entire game... which is why I made post #433 pressuring him instead of anyone else. The reason I said "if I had to pressure one person right here and now" and chose you is because I already mentioned 99Ls at the top of my post and he's the obvious vote anyways, Bean's nowhere to be seen and we have no data on that anyways (Hold up), and Cryi was matched with you on "Suspicious but probe for more data" on the list of interesting actions
This is confusing to me. If I'm not the most suspicious and not the player you actually decided to push (I assume that decision came after the post when you saw them in thread?), then listing me first as the person you would be most likely to push is kinda weird? Like I don't understand the reasoning. Especially when the two things you pick out would be useless to push me on?
Notice how I've been defending myself this entire time instead of attacking you, the answer to why that is is because A) I genuinely can't tell if this is a counter-attack or genuine confusion and B) I'm kind of hoping that I would get people to engage with my posts and start picking up what I'm putting down
You should be attacking me, imo. And if you want me specifically to engage with some specific point you need to be clearer because I'm not seeing anything.
@Absum I'm actually a little confused because you seem pretty convinced in your posting that 99Lies is scum but are voting Zaealix because... I don't remember why? What's going on in your head rn?
I don't know why you think I'm super convinced 99Lies is scum? I've avoided mentioning them until a little bit when they started responding and I would say that my responses to that were mostly expressing confusion? Is it because of my responses to 99Lies asking "what if I flip scum"?
That said, before 99Lies started responding my opinion was that they had a decent chance of being scum but that I'd really like to talk about anything else because an early wagon over infoleaking that never changes is bad for info. Right now I don't know tbh. Zaealix vote is here and here.
99Lies town btw, probably my most confident read up to this point asdie from AWH. There is no way scum 99Lies looks at "Hey, you know what got me nearly lynched D1 as town last time? Let's do it as scum!" I think people decided to bandwagon 99Lies and I'm going to need something far stronger than this to be convinced because to me this looks at worst non-indicative, though I would argue a decently strong towntell. Rosen immediately jumping on what comes across as easy bait honestly gets a bit of an eyebrow from me, not going to lie. Roach pushing against that, meanwhile, gives me slight townvibes.
I mean the problem with this theory is that the question is then why would he possibly do that as town, too? It didn't actually accomplish anything positive last game, and would have likely caused a disaster if the sker hadn't koed Rosen N1. So there is just no sane reasoning behind him doing it as either alignment, which makes it a very big ??? as to why he did so.
I was willing to let it go up until he implied he is not actually town.
Wait. Is this what you wanted with that first post? I actually almost missed it in this lol. But if so please just ask next time because I really really did not get that.
Wait. Is this what you wanted with that first post? I actually almost missed it in this lol. But if so please just ask next time because I really really did not get that.
I am generally open to posting my full read list at any time, though this time I did admittedly want to hide some stuff for the first 48 hours but it's pointless by now (also related to me refusing to explain in response Wiadi question)
How do you feel about YP? If I missed a post where you give an opinion on them you can link me, if not give me a couple hours and my brain to be unscrambled enough to make a cogent argument but I tihink that slot's much more likely to have scum atm, and also more likely to give us information, given that honestly I feel like 99Lies would be getting votes regardless of the alignment of most of the players involved (heck, I feel like last game basically literally proved that)
I really haven't pooled attention to them as a result of looking for more thoughts from Ori and then Hermit. Give me a touch here to get to lunch and I'll look into them properly
This is inherently a contradictory take though? If your calling something suspicious your pointing out what you believe to be non-town behavior and without any further information to go off it's as good as calling someones actions that of a wolf.
Correction, what I'm saying is that I found your first dodge strange and all I'm doing is trying to invite some more discussion in to determine if it was a wolfy move or if it was just a bad move, granted it seems to be doing really poorly anyways because nobody other than Nictis said anything about it but it's the thought that counts
The only reason why this has gone on so long is because of your pressure vote, which considering your next point is just how you play so
Retort: I'm actively seeking something that is worth suspicion. My votes are there to increase pressure and to place my train of thoughts clearly on the board. I've always played like this and will continue to do so as it's worked out fairly decently in the past. Not voting and not pushing for those kinds of information leads to apathy and wasted time. I believe 99L's has inherently done something bad...and at the end of the day I can't disagree with the wagon on them, but I doubt they're actively scum? Like frankly I'm at the point of lost town that is acting too wolf to be wolf.
I mean, was your retort towards my observation or the concerns listed under that observation? Because my observation is a hard fact, and for a slight defense of my concerns I have to say that I feel like not giving your reads and info on other folk other than your top 1 or 2 is still kinda wack in some respects, because if I was a wolf I could focus entirely on who I feel are the weakest arguments on the town side and just death tunnel them in deep
Not saying that you can't vote like you are but, you know, would've liked some other opinions on some other folk too. +1 Town for that 99Ls read though so 😋
Now as for the third reply, I don't really want to vote in 99Ls because while some people are hard convinced about him I'm not really personally, and I'm still waiting for someone really suspicious to pop up. I would vote for Dino but I have to deal with y'all first before opening up a third front
But like, I at least have to thank you for actually engaging my discussion, so that's at least something. Does anyone else have anything else to say here, ranges, anything? Because if not then that's pretty much Cryi done for me with the info we have now, I can't really "Invite Discussion" if I'm the only person replying to everything
EDIT: The only reason why this has gone on so long to cover a second post is because of your pressure vote, which considering your next point is just how you play so
I don't know why you think I'm super convinced 99Lies is scum? I've avoided mentioning them until a little bit when they started responding and I would say that my responses to that were mostly expressing confusion? Is it because of my responses to 99Lies asking "what if I flip scum"?
That said, before 99Lies started responding my opinion was that they had a decent chance of being scum but that I'd really like to talk about anything else because an early wagon over infoleaking that never changes is bad for info. Right now I don't know tbh. Zaealix vote is here and here.
Starting more discussion is town-positive and all, but this is really weak imo? That it also includes a defence for 99Lies makes it come across as scum flailing. I should consider it NAI but if 99Lies flips scum I'll be looking here.
I mean the problem with this theory is that the question is then why would he possibly do that as town, too? It didn't actually accomplish anything positive last game, and would have likely caused a disaster if the sker hadn't koed Rosen N1. So there is just no sane reasoning behind him doing it as either alignment, which makes it a very big ??? as to why he did so.
I mean, yeah, but from that angle it's just NAI, imo? So it just seems like a bad wagon. We get no information out of it, it's functionally a policy lynch, and I do think that we can do better D1.
mm. IDK I put little faith in scumslips to be honest, so I'm probably not the best person to assess this- I feel like slips in wording are frankly much more likely to be committed by careless townies than anything, but this still mostly just reads like a joke independent of 99Lies' alignment to me.
Also Nani nailed it ftr. It feels really weird to be starting to come up with potential scumteams prior to a flip if you aren't pretty sure someone is scum?
Also Nani nailed it ftr. It feels really weird to be starting to come up with potential scumteams prior to a flip if you aren't pretty sure someone is scum?
Hm. I can't really help that it comes across that way for me and I'm trying to treat it as NAI. But I also just disagree that I shouldn't already be looking at potential scum teams (in general, i.e. including town flip 99Lies). Maybe that's too early or w/e but I could use the extra time .
Clown is NAI. I would say they're towny, but they could be a scum vote manipulator rather than a double voter. Or a scum double voter, but that's made less likely than before due to their play, I feel. It's still possible though.
Otherwise, people are memeing. Clown is the only one who's done anything. Well, Zaelix randomly voting on the person I happened to vote on, creating a mini wagon, is something I took note of. It's probably meaningless, but it at least caught my notice.
In other news,
[X] Vote -Rosen
For refusing to tell me what Churno is.
Feels like a dismissive serious note that moves straight to memes, frankly it bothers me more on the order of events here as I find it weird to be dismissive of CB's claim in this game space so far. It was really early on and probably should've been looked into more? It's not bad but just marks me as strange.
[X] Vote Null
Because I doubt mafia would actually have tried to push a weird case like that that quick. I mean, it's possible they didn't discuss it with their teammates, or the mafia are all new, but that still means Zaelix's play isn't scumsided.
Weird fluff after the lash out towards the Zaealix initiative for making flavor pushes. Frankly I feel like the wording here was unneccisary and...strange?
Look, I'm not voting you for this, but it's really bad. I'm all for sharing info generally, but pressuring others to share information when you're not willing to give up info yourself is incredibly gauche.
You know what, no, I am going to vote you for this. I'll probably move it later, but this is a good way to get things going.
Alright we start getting into some meat finally, but frankly looking at this and trying to view it at different angles I hate to say feels mostly NAI with possibly some light scumleans? At least this post alone does, what does it more is the very rapid backpedaling and then trying to Move future arguments away from it. Feels less like town that made a bad mistake and realized it quick and more like scum trying to overcompensate? I think I'm reading into it too much by myself though as I'm trying to find anything suspicious to grasp at by this point.
If I was a role blocker, I'd role block the GM. That way they couldn't use their modposter power, and the mafia would be very confused by the lack of flip. Confused mafia is mistake-making mafia.
A complete non-answer and ignored by the majority, -1 point for YP here and a minus for Ori too for calling my answer bad but ignoring this one. Wait...Scrolls up... nvm no minus for Ori.
Overall my read through says YP has some lean scum to them, but it might also be because of an attrition of choice right now. Frankly I don't know how I feel even after going through everything and I don't like that.
Oh. It was the reverse. I really really did not like that post. I was town lean on Hermit before it, unsure on 99Lies (if acceptable enough as vote) and neutral on Nictis and afterwards I was scumreading all 3. It was only later that I was like "actually the sus reasons being bad is NAI and I should wait for 99Lies flip". Though I'm not actually mentally over it yet.
I was obviously also just poking people for reads in general but yes I asked you for town reads because I wanted to see if you were townreading a specific person.
But you're not mentioning things that are actually suspicious! That's why it sucks! What is there to investigate about me not responding to a completely empty "well if I have to name someone" and me going to bed at 4.30 am?? Hello? Are you telling me you would have jumped on Shalmoa for that? No, right? Are you just going to say "well you should have done more to help town". Yes, uh, I did try to get other conversations going besides 99Lies. You decided that was suspicious because of timing or something? Sorry if that's not good enough for you.
And again, my interactions with Wiadi would be much better to push me on. There'd be an actual conversation there.
This is confusing to me. If I'm not the most suspicious and not the player you actually decided to push (I assume that decision came after the post when you saw them in thread?), then listing me first as the person you would be most likely to push is kinda weird? Like I don't understand the reasoning. Especially when the two things you pick out would be useless to push me on?
You should be attacking me, imo. And if you want me specifically to engage with some specific point you need to be clearer because I'm not seeing anything.
This is what I meant by "I can't tell if this is genuine confusion or not." Literally all I was alluding to with my first post was "Hey. You dodged this read, however light it was. A lot of other things happened today, I already mentioned them, and nobody else mentioned your thing at all (Hense, again, me mentioning that I wanted to push you for it personally, since everyone was already pushing the bigger mentions). Are you willing to answer some light questioning about it and accept some pressure to shrug it off?" The reason why it was such an A - B post is because I wanted people to get into my thought process for a little bit and understand why I was calling you out, and it had to be pointed to provoke a reaction, which it did. I probably wouldn't have gotten into a discussion with Shalmoa because he probably would've responded to my posts fairly quickly, like he has always done so far with me even before pre-game
Cryi was actually good here because he engaged with my discussion; he took the questions, gave me some retorts, we talked about it for a little bit, and when I was done with my review I said "Alright, that's me. Anyone else want to ask any questions or give any insights? If not we're done here"
You get +1 Town for emotional response, but other than that your post is really panicky. I asked you for some "quiet considerations" and then you put me at the top of your scum list and engaged in a sudden, furious defense
If the sizes of my posts caused people to glaze over the content / context of my posts then that's my fault, but please ask for clarification before doing... that
Wait. Is this what you wanted with that first post? I actually almost missed it in this lol. But if so please just ask next time because I really really did not get that.
That was more for Cryi but it does apply to you to. Anything that clears up the air after some discussion between you, me, and a few other people and then we can move on
This is what I said the first time and I'll say it again
For those above, I'd like it if they could give some quiet considerations about their behavior, since they seem to be avoiding hits like they're grazing danmaku in a spell-card battle; it would also be nice to hear out some extra voices on their ranges as well.
I mentioned "ranges" because I have no clue about anyone here and I was hoping that someone could pick up on my... quoted comment and help me out a little bit of any of my posts illicit a weird response, but nobody did so l m a o, note that this quote also applied to Dino and 99Ls since they were a part of my weird action list
For the record - while I'm willing to buy it as a playstyle clash rather than overtly Scummy, the way you're equivocating with "oh yeah I was just saying these people were Interesting and kind of suspicious, but it wasn't a real Scumread, and isn't it Interesting too how they're pushing back on me anyway" is uh...not the best look. Kinda feels like trying to have your cake and eat it too in terms of casting shade without committing to a firm position (beyond "inactivity bad," which is like, the Free Space of Mafia Bingo), especially in context of the long posts that are IMO more verbose and wall-y than they really have to be. Lotta smoke for not much fire, y'know?
Now, do I think I look suspicious? Maybe more so for you specifically reaching out to me and two others which seems about right in number for a scum team then without you doing that.
I am generally open to posting my full read list at any time, though this time I did admittedly want to hide some stuff for the first 48 hours but it's pointless by now (also related to me refusing to explain in response Wiadi question)
Well, if the need for secrecy is now moot, I'd certainly like an answer to my earlier question. I let it slide before on the assumption that you had some sort of plan in the works so I'd be eager to hear what that was, as AFAICT it never ended up manifesting.
