Touhou: Scarlet Devil M̶a̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ Mafia

Should Day 2 be extended by another twenty-four hours?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 83.3%
  • No

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
End of Night 5/Start of Day 6
The party of nine from where they had entered in the night comes out to a party of seven, all of them looking as two more of their numbers have vanished. And so like every night prior, the two missing are revealed.



The first is revealed as Reisen Inaba, Moon Rabbit on Earth (@Shalmoa), who 'died' from a Knock on the Head.



The second is revealed as Alice Margatroid, Seven-Colored Puppet Master (@dinomannitro6), who 'died' from being Knocked Out In A Closet.

And a message is left upon the table to read.

Reevals needed on Walker's flip
Everyone needs progressions now IMO
Hobo's vote NAI even if late due to self-pres
Other votes probably won't get good info at this point
Not sure if absences are notable right now (Dino/Comi, YP to a lesser extent)
Figure one more affordable miss ATM but needs serious discussion given game length
Probably makes it a good spot to fill out claim space
Wiadi, Comi, Atoms are the only unclaimed ATM
Atoms can clear with N5 Town kill, Wiadi/Comi mech-locked out of Odd-Night TKP

And so the seven members of the party begin the sixth day…

End of Day is at
 
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I'll answer this question if you tell me who you visited last night.

There are four explanations for your behavior.

1. You are Town, and you are deliberately acting in wild and unpredictable manners for reasons that are only known to you.

2. You are Town, and you are deliberately acting in wild and unpredictable manners to break your long term meta.

3. You are Mafia, and are acting in wild and unpredictable manners to make people think that you are being too wolfy to be a wolf.

4. You are a Jester of some sort, and are acting in a wild an unpredictable manner to get yourself lynched.

Let me throw down some analysis for each section.

1. If I was being as wild and unpredictable as I could be as Town for whatever reason I could think of, I would've stopped doing it the moment I realized that my strategy still got me mislynched consistently. Maybe I was afraid of being god-read by the veterans around me, so I stopped trying to play seriously, because I was perpetually afraid that nothing I could do could prevent them from overwhelming me. Maybe I genuinely thought that my playstyle was garnering me results. Regardless, the moment I was getting lynched on D1 or D2 over and over again, I would knock it off and try a different strategy, for the sole reason that the town wasting precious discussion time voting me out is inherently anti-town. So unless you haven't gotten the clue yet, which I doubt, reason 1 is unlikely.

2. Second verse same as the first. Meta is irrelevant if it's a bad meta that gets me lynched when I'm town and only really works when I'm mafia. Except that it doesn't work when I'm mafia, because I'm still getting voted out. Unlikely reasoning.

3. I'm on reasoning 2 but got chosen as Mafia instead of Town. Excellent. I can be as wild as I can be while still trying to stick to my known meta, and I can rely on at least some people categorizing me as too wolfy to be a wolf to defend myself. Except that it's not working, and I'm still getting voted out. Except that the more time I spend getting the town to argue over my guilt means that I can waste the town's precious time arguing over me, the one that is acting obvious, over someone else on my team that may be acting less obvious. I may die, but this is a team game. I got the town to lynch an innocent man Day 1, a vig to shoot another innocent man on Day 1, and I'm disrupting their flow with junk data. Likely reasoning.

4. I'm super good at acting panicky and obvious, so this is a cake walk for me. All I have to do is get the town's suspicions on me - which I already did in my entrance - and wait for the results. If people think that I'm too wolfy to be a wolf, then I'll try to be more obvious to overpower their logic. Also a likely reasoning, although I do not know if Jesters would be included in closed setups.

There is one way to prove your innocence. And that is pressure.

[X] Vote NinetyNineLives

Answer his question. If you are Bodyguard, who did you visit last night? If you are innocent and you do not answer, then I will still vote you on matters of policy; the mere fact that your actions can be categorized as wasting our time is enough for me. If you are mafia, then good riddance.

You know you could have just said no, yeah?

I'll be keeping who to myself for now. I do have a particular valid reason as to why I'm not going to share, of which I would also not share the reason.

Irrelevant. If this was your first offense, you may have a right to your privacy, but it is not. You have exhausted the Town's good-will and my desire to defend you when the winds of fate are obvious. Answer the question or be lynched by the end of the day.
 
@hugh_donnetono @-Rosen @Clown Bean If one of you agree with the reveal, I'll trust you and do it. Also, can I ask for your read on Cyricubed, Absum, and Ori?

Also also:
Christ this is me popping in I feel Zae > Hugh inthis matter, last chance I'll prob have to pop in so I'll provide reasoning tomorrow if I'm not cursed for N1 death this game.
I would like that reasoning please. Why Zaealix? That wagon came out of nowhere from my perspective.
 
You know you could have just said no, yeah?
Yes, I could have.

Instead, I tried to talk you through the logic behind my actions and the reasons your actions are kind of bad, because my heart says you're town here. That's why I covered for you by saying you were a veteran when it looked like you were outing yourself as a pr, therefore discouraging scum from shooting you. Granted, your scummy play since then has made that superfluous, but I tried, dang it.
 
Some of you got an early start, so I'm sorry for the absence since I got up in party festivities with girlfriend last night since I'm spending tonight family. I'm going to be doing that this evening, but I should be back on an uninterrupted basis tomorrow. (I feel like some holiday slack time might have affected play slightly, but we're getting to the nitty gritty now.)

That said, my general impression is confusion over the vote with Zaealix when there were more warranted potential targets that could have been drilled down on like 99L or YP. I'm also confused about why Roach was killed, both because it looks coded in green for a town kill (which someone could explain to me) AND if we're going for the low posting hypothesis, there was lower posters to my eye. I also think Nictis is major loss for us given that he was offering solid direction.

In terms of reads and my vote, I'm still on the 99L wagon.
 
I want to elaborate that the only reason why I've flipped on 99L is because good god I'm tired of having this discussion and want to focus on other things, just stop being as shady as possible and asking people to breach their role security and we're coasting
 
F Nictis, Roach kill odd. I'm considering the messages NAI, not Town.

Ok lets go find what Nictis knew that got him shot N1 instead of talking about this more.
I already did a read of Nictis during the Night and I'm guessing it was just taking a strong player out rather than this. But if it was something they said, I'd look into -Rosen, Nopeguy, Bean+99Lies, Ori (in this order).

This is the taste… of a liar!!!

It's not anti-town, so I'll leave it be for now. Still, I'm onto you, mysterious person X!
To be clear, this is based on night action stuff, not something that I caught in the thread.
*facepalm*

...okay yeah I went back to EoD and I genuinely cannot figure out why Zaea was the one to die there. The only serious case I spotted on a skim was from Shal and Shal wasn't even on that wagon by the end. Can someone walk me through what the hell happened?
Zaealix was the best sus I had (the older post + the responses to Shalmoa) & I was sticking to that -> 99Lies got everyone off of them with the claim -> people try to swing vote on hugh (lots of contentless posts) or low posters but the low posters show up and post and hugh doesn't and people don't wanna vote absent person -> Zaealix (only other wagon) wins out over one of the low posters. You can say "only other wagon? what about YP" well everyone who was fully present at EoD was townreading YP, the people on his wagon were all absent (Nani was half present).

Nevermind, I was misunderstanding things.
*double facepalm*

I'll answer this question if you tell me who you visited last night.
Seriously?

Finally,

[X] Vote hugh_donnetono I demand a full reads-list and a vote. You are still posting a lot without giving much/any info and you have still placed literally zero votes this game.
 
Okay, I'm awake. Not going to be amazingly active for a bit yet, but I'm mostly awake.

I see we're doing the 99L thing again. Mima would be eating popcorn from who knows where, and it's kind of making me see Zaealix's point, which at the time I rather didn't like and still think was a bad argument.

In other news,
anyway who fuckin roleblocked me, bro
As someone who also got denied anything last night, I'm going to say, whomever was roleblocking please don't claim now. I know I'm a bit late on that, but I don't recall seeing anyone else say it while catching up.

Much as I want to dig into comparing details because it at least gives me something concrete to analyze, I feel those details would end up helping scum more than town. Roleblockers, you now know that there's at least two of you, and that may impact how and when you claim.


On the matter of EoD, chaotic mess that it was, @Ori, you appear to have cast the deciding vote that tipped things Zaealix's way, without comment at the time. I see further back some posts saying it was the best of bad options, and to avoid hypocrisy I must note that at one point I'd have agreed with it being better than a 99L or Nitro vote, before Zaealix's more serious posting towards EoD swayed me otherwise.

Would you like to comment now why you ultimately voted where you did?
 
And you have three hours to explain your curious behavior. Because, so far, the majority of your posts seem to be you A) Catching up to the thread, which is nice and all, and your comments would've been a nice way to start discussion, but then you follow up with B), The Rule 1 discussion, which is one that would've been wonderful to have on Day 1, and we did indeed have a wonderful Rule 1 discussion on Day 1 (that ended with me being lambasted for making long lore posts). But by Day 2, the conversation has already been spoken of and mostly resolved until it was brought up by you, distracting us from more important conversation that might've been drawn out by point A. And if Point B is an actual concern for you, I'd have to remind you that the PMs to the GM are always open.

And by that I mean like the actual GM, not me In-game GM Koakuma.



It's the funniest paragraph I've written? I'd have to sadly object to that, considering it only garnered two reactions from everyone present tonight compared to some of the posts I made yesterday. Unless you mean to tell me that my premise is hilarious, in which case I would like to point to out that no matter my silly wording, my supposition still stands; that he was killed because he was making people antsy for being a veteran, and not because of any particular piece of information he graced us with yesterday.

It's funny specifically because you don't know that Bean is like a gigavet
 
Okay, I'm awake. Not going to be amazingly active for a bit yet, but I'm mostly awake.

I see we're doing the 99L thing again. Mima would be eating popcorn from who knows where, and it's kind of making me see Zaealix's point, which at the time I rather didn't like and still think was a bad argument.

In other news,

As someone who also got denied anything last night, I'm going to say, whomever was roleblocking please don't claim now. I know I'm a bit late on that, but I don't recall seeing anyone else say it while catching up.

Much as I want to dig into comparing details because it at least gives me something concrete to analyze, I feel those details would end up helping scum more than town. Roleblockers, you now know that there's at least two of you, and that may impact how and when you claim.


On the matter of EoD, chaotic mess that it was, @Ori, you appear to have cast the deciding vote that tipped things Zaealix's way, without comment at the time. I see further back some posts saying it was the best of bad options, and to avoid hypocrisy I must note that at one point I'd have agreed with it being better than a 99L or Nitro vote, before Zaealix's more serious posting towards EoD swayed me otherwise.

Would you like to comment now why you ultimately voted where you did?

Because all the options sucked and Zaea was the higher info day 1 vote, voting LHF fucking sucks that's what vigis are for.
 
[X] Vote hugh_donnetono I demand a full reads-list and a vote. You are still posting a lot without giving much/any info and you have still placed literally zero votes this game.
This vote is scuffed. You have to leave it alone on its line. Right now you aren't voting for Hugh, but instead for 'Hugh I demand a full reads-list blah blah blah', who is not a player.
 
I'm also going say that maybe people should stop with the roleclaiming, especially if they're going to be vague as hell about the role. It apparently only makes you target and we need players with powers on the town side with the way the game is shaping up.

But since so many people have gone public, it might help if 99L, YP, and Hugh did clarify. I'm conflicted about this, though, because I don't want a situation where we're killing players with special roles while we get picked off by scum.
 
Like we can actually read posts of people who pushed Zaea originally and divine potential meaning out of them compared to Dino which was 'vote inactives' so by that standard I chose to flip Zaea.
 
Clarification On Flavor Rule and Public Warning
Okay, because I am perpetually tired of the consistent arguing about this despite the rule feeling really clear about this, let me quote from the first rule of this mafia game.

Do not use flavor as a means of playing the game. The Flavor for this game is secondary and is only for enjoyment in reading and playing, do not use the flavor as a way or angle of winning the game.

What does this mean? It fundamentally means in that you (this meaning any mafia player) should not use a basis of flavor to try and solve the gamestate, as the flavor is fundamentally designed to act as a means of enjoyment and to have fun with the game, not as a means of actually seeking to mechanically solve it.

@hugh_donnetono, I am going to make this clear. This is roughly the third time in a row in the thread that you have explicitly complained or had issues with the flavor rule, despite it being a) rather self-evident for the purpose of it, b) the wording of the rule is as simple as could be possibly written for it, and c) there actually having been explanations by other users about it which should make it obvious (and of which I thank all the users for). This is an explicit public warning to cut it out with the complaining about the flavor rule or trying to skirt around the flavor rule to solve this game. If anyone decides to further infringe on this rule, they will be forcibly subbed out.
 
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But since so many people have gone public, it might help if 99L, YP, and Hugh did clarify. I'm conflicted about this, though, because I don't want a situation where we're killing players with special roles while we get picked off by scum
99 has roleclaimed. We're just asking him to say his night action target, which is totally different, as it's difficult to think of a downside it could have.

Not sure where you're getting Hugh from.

As for me, all I've done is tease my flavor and say my role is not very useful but quirky enough that I'm happy with it anyway, which I fail to see how it is confusing.
 
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