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Touhou: Scarlet Devil M̶a̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ Mafia

Should Day 2 be extended by another twenty-four hours?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 83.3%

  • No

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Total voters
    12
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End of Night 5/Start of Day 6
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    • The party of nine from where they had entered in the night comes out to a party of seven, all of them looking as two more of their numbers have vanished. And so like every night prior, the two missing are revealed.



    The first is revealed as Reisen Inaba, Moon Rabbit on Earth (@Shalmoa), who 'died' from a Knock on the Head.



    The second is revealed as Alice Margatroid, Seven-Colored Puppet Master (@dinomannitro6), who 'died' from being Knocked Out In A Closet.

    And a message is left upon the table to read.

    Reevals needed on Walker's flip
    Everyone needs progressions now IMO
    Hobo's vote NAI even if late due to self-pres
    Other votes probably won't get good info at this point
    Not sure if absences are notable right now (Dino/Comi, YP to a lesser extent)
    Figure one more affordable miss ATM but needs serious discussion given game length
    Probably makes it a good spot to fill out claim space
    Wiadi, Comi, Atoms are the only unclaimed ATM
    Atoms can clear with N5 Town kill, Wiadi/Comi mech-locked out of Odd-Night TKP
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    And so the seven members of the party begin the sixth day…

    End of Day is at
     
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    • Nopeguy said:
    Absum since their dancing very close the flavor rule and are convinced flavor WILL match abilities as if they have more info then others
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    I think you're confusing me and Hermit. My only mentions of flavour are saying Zaealix was probably breaking the rule and saying I ignored all the big Hermit lore posts.
     
    I agree with the 99L wagon on a policy level but my gut says he's probably not going to flip mafia.

    I just think Cyri's answer to the roleblock question was kinda stinky but like whatever.

    Hermit has posted a lot of lore but like that's a lot of drowning the thread in noise for not a whole lot of actual value.
     
    99L flipping mafia feels like 1/3 times kinda thing which I think is probably about your odds of voting at rand.
     
    Nanimani said:
    I'm seeing the pushback to 99L and thinking "Yup, that's good", but he was town last time. Kinda demonstrably something he doesn't just do as scum. Pretty NAI and all that. I'm not surprised he's getting pushback, but it feels kinda weird that none of that's ALSO going on YP other than Wiadi's response and all.

    Like, am I just putting too much mental emphasis on what's quoted here due to the fact that it's quoted?
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    I recognized that it was a mistake relatively quickly, called myself out on it, and posted an explanation of my actions. Lies has doubled down repeatedly.
     
    If I was a role blocker, I'd role block the GM. That way they couldn't use their modposter power, and the mafia would be very confused by the lack of flip. Confused mafia is mistake-making mafia.
     
    I once saw a game where the setup was so weird people decided not to vote someone out d1. But because there was no no-vote vote and they needed to make it a wagon, they voted one of the three co-gms. The gms played along. The players thought this was so funny they voted out the other two co-gms days 2 and three. The game ended in a draw.
     
    Ori said:
    I agree with the 99L wagon on a policy level but my gut says he's probably not going to flip mafia.

    I just think Cyri's answer to the roleblock question was kinda stinky but like whatever.

    Hermit has posted a lot of lore but like that's a lot of drowning the thread in noise for not a whole lot of actual value.
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    Eeeh. I don't really disagree wrt Cyri but I was expecting something more. D1 I guess.

    Hermit I agree and I'll have to keep it in mind but at this time I don't think it's a scum thing.
     
    Nanimani said:
    I'm seeing the pushback to 99L and thinking "Yup, that's good", but he was town last time. Kinda demonstrably something he doesn't just do as scum. Pretty NAI and all that. I'm not surprised he's getting pushback, but it feels kinda weird that none of that's ALSO going on YP other than Wiadi's response and all.
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    Counterpoint: He was Town last game, and saw that it was bad but that he got away with it. Why would he, as Town this game do it again when he saw that it was bad? Consider instead, if he is scum then it's an incredibly easy way to lean into previous behavior while also trying to get role info on players.

    If he is the role he's suggesting it'll be a moot point anyways, but this is not a good rationale for calling it NAI.
     
    Also, even the first time I was calling it out as not being his usual kind of behavior and not NAI. It was only explained as him asking that due to his role. So considering that it's fairly unlikely that he both has the same role and decides to do the same action, this is very much not NAI.
     
    From my perspective, it feels like every game that I have played with 99L involved, they say something scummy which generates some pushback against them or even a wagon. The only game I remember of the top of my head where they flipped scum is Prosopognosia. I don't mind voting them out D1 as a policy vote, that's your prerogative. I just don't think they'll flip scum.

    But well, I'll be glad if they do.
     
    Absum said:
    My planned push isn't viable anymore imo so just gonna throw out some questions?
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    Elaborate on this? Unless I missed somewhere that you already outlined what that planned push was, in which case my bad.
    Nictis said:
    And as an additional note about when he did it last game, his stated reasoning for doing it never held up. He asked who was vanilla as a power granter then never gave the vanillas any abilities.
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    TBF he also wasn't Scum when he did that so like...IDFK? It's not like he had reason to lie about his motives there. Probably just down to losing track of the plan or something?
    Ori said:
    I just think Cyri's answer to the roleblock question was kinda stinky but like whatever.
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    Elaborate? I don't immediately see the issue other than in suspecting someone as indubitably Townie as me but I could well have missed something, I'm still not at my sharpest.
    Young Pyromancer said:
    and the mafia would be very confused by the lack of flip.
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    ...excuse me? No, flips are enormously more important for Town than for Scum. This is why Janitor is a Scum role. What are you talking about?
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    Counterpoint: He was Town last game, and saw that it was bad but that he got away with it.
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    I mean...last game did ultimately end up in a Town victory, aided by the narrowing of claimspace from all the reveals, so I could theoretically believe in 99L drawing the wrong conclusions from that outcome & thinking that not only did he get away with it but that it was Good, Actually. That said...
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    Also, even the first time I was calling it out as not being his usual kind of behavior and not NAI. It was only explained as him asking that due to his role. So considering that it's fairly unlikely that he both has the same role and decides to do the same action, this is very much not NAI.
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    ...this is a pretty fair point, actually. @NinetyNineLies I would be interested to hear why you decided to reprise this line of questioning when you're presumably not equipped with the same role (willing to technically risk infoleaks here on the minute chance you somehow did roll the same kind of power twice in a row) and we no longer have Morgans to ruin everyone's fun efficiently narrow the available claim space.
     
    Logos said:
    I'm still waiting on Byzantine to give me an answer, so my vote will stay there for now. But if nothing better comes up, I'm probably going to be voting you for this post come end of day as the single clearest scumtell of this day.
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    I did answer, it wasn't a satisfying one because no one had done anything, and no one's goofing off was particularly stand out.

    Some things have happened since then, though.

    99L question is strange, but honestly I suspect they are town trying to stir the pot, knowing that it worked great for stirring the pot last game. It was not at all productive stirring though, and it was only because of the sker it didn't backfire dramatically so I am more than a little vexed about him doing that entirely unprompted.

    -Rosen said:
    Also, just as a note, we are in the latter half of Day 1 now, ergo...

    @Nopeguy @Variable @Byzantine @Shalmoa @dinomannitro6 Gun to head, name the scum team.
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    Nani, Rosen, YP, Wise Hermit.
     
    Byzantine said:
    Nani, Rosen, YP, Wise Hermit.
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    Nani is trying to reprise his town action of last game without any real consideration for what it accomplished in that game (almost letting the cultafia run wild). A great way to do a scummy action while getting some town cred for it anyway since you demonstrably do it as town.

    Rosen I'm just always paranoid of, nothing I can consciously think of stands out right now. Still.

    YP's offness feels a lot like he does when he oopsies as scum and rapidly tries to backpedal into whatever he actually was aiming to say. Weak but present.

    Wise is basically entirely gutfeel - he did a lot to get noticed without actually doing anything even slightly productive for the game.

    I'm never sure what the right balance numbers are for this game, but ??? On a potential 5th for now.
     
    Nictis said:
    Also, even the first time I was calling it out as not being his usual kind of behavior and not NAI. It was only explained as him asking that due to his role. So considering that it's fairly unlikely that he both has the same role and decides to do the same action, this is very much not NAI.
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    Frankly I agree with Nictis's points here. It really shouldn't be viewed as NAI and I'm not going to excuse bad decisions because it fits someones meta or usual actions.

    Now that being said Rosen brought up a decent point that we are just over 30 hours left in day 1 and I think we should get two trains of thought going on.

    And with not too much really alarming me other than YP for a moment but they almost instantly backpedaled so I guess for now I want some expanded thoughts

    [X] Vote OriginalName

    Want to echo Wiadi here on asking to elaborate to my roleblocker answer. What didn't you like about it?

    Byzantine said:
    Nani is trying to reprise his town action of last game without any real consideration for what it accomplished in that game (almost letting the cultafia run wild). A great way to do a scummy action while getting some town cred for it anyway since you demonstrably do it as town.
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    Wait who...did yo-

    Byzantine said:
    Also why the hell did I type nani when I meant 99L?

    Uh, yeah, sorry
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    *Clears notes* Ah yes, Anomaly Removed..
     
    Byzantine said:
    I did answer, it wasn't a satisfying one because no one had done anything, and no one's goofing off was particularly stand out.

    Some things have happened since then, though.
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    Apologies, the answer seems to have completely slipped my mind. Doing a search, you did indeed answer adequately.

    With that cleared,
    [x] vote NinetyNineLies

    This might just be bad townplay. An argument could probably even be made that access to a scumchat would have counseled against this. I still want to hear what NinetyNineLies thought would happen to benefit town as a result of calling for vanilla claims here.
     
    Byzantine said:
    Nani is trying to reprise his town action of last game without any real consideration for what it accomplished in that game (almost letting the cultafia run wild). A great way to do a scummy action while getting some town cred for it anyway since you demonstrably do it as town.

    Rosen I'm just always paranoid of, nothing I can consciously think of stands out right now. Still.

    YP's offness feels a lot like he does when he oopsies as scum and rapidly tries to backpedal into whatever he actually was aiming to say. Weak but present.

    Wise is basically entirely gutfeel - he did a lot to get noticed without actually doing anything even slightly productive for the game.

    I'm never sure what the right balance numbers are for this game, but ??? On a potential 5th for now.
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    Byzantine said:
    Also why the hell did I type nani when I meant 99L?

    Uh, yeah, sorry
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    Hm...since this wasn't just a "name the scummy posters" exercise but specifically asking for a scum team - do you think 99L & YP being on a team here is credible? Personally I was reading their interactions as pretty genuine but I'm wondering if you saw something I didn't.
     
    Ah, the day isn't over?

    I dreamed 99Lies flipped as a scum who copied my role with a weird ability, but then it wasn't what my role actually did that was copied, and I was confused.
     
    I'm surprised I'm not lowest poster of the day yet…
    99 is an annoying cipher at the best of times given just how…
    Out of it, perhaps? He can be.
    But at this level of suspicion I'm inclined to call it, for as little as that's probably worth right now, on the basis that if we don't he'll continue to stink and drain attention.
     
    Wiadi said:
    Elaborate? I don't immediately see the issue other than in suspecting someone as indubitably Townie as me but I could well have missed something, I'm still not at my sharpest.
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    Cyricubed said:
    [X] Vote OriginalName

    Want to echo Wiadi here on asking to elaborate to my roleblocker answer. What didn't you like about it?
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    Because blocking 3 vets just for basically being vets and not because any of us have actually really done anything seems like at best a non answer, at worst casting doubt for basically no reason.
     
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