Touhou: Scarlet Devil M̶a̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ Mafia

Should Day 2 be extended by another twenty-four hours?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 83.3%
  • No

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
End of Night 5/Start of Day 6
The party of nine from where they had entered in the night comes out to a party of seven, all of them looking as two more of their numbers have vanished. And so like every night prior, the two missing are revealed.



The first is revealed as Reisen Inaba, Moon Rabbit on Earth (@Shalmoa), who 'died' from a Knock on the Head.



The second is revealed as Alice Margatroid, Seven-Colored Puppet Master (@dinomannitro6), who 'died' from being Knocked Out In A Closet.

And a message is left upon the table to read.

Reevals needed on Walker's flip
Everyone needs progressions now IMO
Hobo's vote NAI even if late due to self-pres
Other votes probably won't get good info at this point
Not sure if absences are notable right now (Dino/Comi, YP to a lesser extent)
Figure one more affordable miss ATM but needs serious discussion given game length
Probably makes it a good spot to fill out claim space
Wiadi, Comi, Atoms are the only unclaimed ATM
Atoms can clear with N5 Town kill, Wiadi/Comi mech-locked out of Odd-Night TKP

And so the seven members of the party begin the sixth day…

End of Day is at
 
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While the votes are still somewhat calm before EoD...

[x] Vote RoachTV

@RoachTV Top Scum-Read, Top Town-Read. Go.
Bwuhhh 😵‍💫 okay so, gun to my head, leaving myself little time to think, my top Town-Read from reading through the thread (and now briefly rereading the last couple pages) is Clown Bean, I like their posts in general, I think this one is a good example (partially because it's a *lot* shorter 😅):
I mean, yeah, but from that angle it's just NAI, imo? So it just seems like a bad wagon. We get no information out of it, it's functionally a policy lynch, and I do think that we can do better D1.


mm. IDK I put little faith in scumslips to be honest, so I'm probably not the best person to assess this- I feel like slips in wording are frankly much more likely to be committed by careless townies than anything, but this still mostly just reads like a joke independent of 99Lies' alignment to me.

Also Nani nailed it ftr. It feels really weird to be starting to come up with potential scumteams prior to a flip if you aren't pretty sure someone is scum?
They have the same reasoning/doubts about the 99L wagon as I do, so I'm inclined to think they're towny. And, overall they feel very genuine, very open, I don't get the feeling that they are hiding anything/have anything to hide.

Strongest Scum-Read is a trickier subject. Ignoring low posters (simply because, well, that seems a bit of a cop-out honestly) and the whole 99L/YP thing (messy) I would probably point at... hmmm... Logos?

(I went back to read Logos' posts, my prior reasoning was that they haven't really posted after meme phase ended, but then I saw this post:
And checking what posts Zaealix has made led me to this series.



The push is more of a meme than anything else, gained no traction, and was swiftly abandoned. As was said in arguments at the time, a scum chat would probably counsel against making this kind of case... and perhaps they did, and weren't heeded; the three hour gap speaks against 'not fast enough'. But the case was made, and it might make sense to drop a case like this against a teammate who is attracting a lot of attention and might get hit by a vig or cop at some point. At least, it makes more sense to me than trying this case against town, or as town.

I still want to know what 99L was thinking asking for vanillas, but I feel like this is both more likely to hit scum and possibly more productive if it does.
[x] vote Zaelix
... and that coupled with my catching up to the thread after you (Rosen) pinged me, kinda changed my mind)

Looking at Zaealix, it seems they spent a lot of the early game just throwing votes around, which is not really scummy but also a super easy way for scum to be in thread without really contributing, no? And then the whole counter vote thing... ugh, sorry, I really don't have anything helpful here.

It seems our top three candidates, 99L, YP, and Zae, all have gotten some variation of "but that's just Town!99L/YP/Zae" in their defense (of which I am admittedly guilty), which kinda nullifies any suspicions I might have in those directions.
 
So where is your head at in general atm Rosen? if you made a reads post recently feel free to just quote it or link it, but I don't recall any of your stances except the 99Lies push atm.
I have a very rough sort of the game right now so take this with a grain of salt, but here's about where I stand right now

Town-Reads
Shalmoa
A Wise Hermit

Don't Want D1'd Ever
Clown Bean
Absum
Nictis
Young Pyromancer
Nanimani

Middling (Prefer not D1'ing but not quite as much certainty as the category above)
Cyricubed
Logos
Ori
Wiadi

Preferred D1 Targets
NinetyNineLies (Much Preferred)
Zaealix (Placing here as the de facto alternative given thread state, but like I said I'm pretty meh about it)

Who?
hugh_donnetono*
dinomannitro6
Nopeguy
RoachTV
Variable
A Bunch Of Atoms
Byzantine

Hugh gets an asterisk in the Who? category if only because going by objective volume, he has a good amount of posts. However, I don't actually recall anything of substance from him up to this point (especially now that things have started moving properly), which I think warrants some cause for concern.
 
Also in general I'm surprised that there are so many slots that I just don't recall in much capacity at all -- maybe I just need to reread but I feel fuzzier on average than I normally would for EoD1.
 
Preferred D1 Targets
NinetyNineLies (Much Preferred)
Zaealix (Placing here as the de facto alternative given thread state, but like I said I'm pretty meh about it)

Who?
hugh_donnetono*
dinomannitro6
Nopeguy
RoachTV
Variable
A Bunch Of Atoms
Byzantine
None of these potential wagons are interesting to me besides hugh and maybe Zaea, TBH, and even with hugh I'm not actually like "oh, yeah, let's catch us a mafioso!" It's just like, making hugh one of the wagons available at EoD has to be more interesting than 99L vs. Zaea?
 
Also in general I'm surprised that there are so many slots that I just don't recall in much capacity at all -- maybe I just need to reread but I feel fuzzier on average than I normally would for EoD1.
I feel like between the early memeing, the lore speculation, and it being around the holidays muddled the early discussion and people's reads.
 
None of these potential wagons are interesting to me besides hugh and maybe Zaea, TBH, and even with hugh I'm not actually like "oh, yeah, let's catch us a mafioso!" It's just like, making hugh one of the wagons available at EoD has to be more interesting than 99L vs. Zaea?
Votes are at 6-4*-3-1 in terms of 99L-YP-Zae-Hugh (*Assuming Bean is truthing about VP), so honestly it's probably not a bad look to add more to the mix. I still stand that 99L is the best vote here, but am in general agreement that there doesn't seem to be any one great direction to go from a purely solving perspective. I'm more than willing to shake things up a little more for EoD with that in mind.

[x] Vote hugh_donnetono

@hugh_donnetono Hello can you send some reads out thanks.
 

Fiiiine.
[ ]Absun
[ ]99L
[ ]Shalmoa

[ ]Vote NinetyNineLies
I don't have any solid leads-Absun feels too self-satisfying, Rosen I have even less of a plan, and the counter-voting is only functional if there's a vote to counter.
But 99's slips and bad moves are bad, unfortunately, so while I think he's Lost town the question of where to throw my vote looks large.
And I imagine a Null vote would just get me hung, because keeping my hands clean for the sake of self-righteousness sucks for town because less town votes means Scum gets that much more control. So.
[X]Vote NinetynineLies
 
Hey can you please not ping me sus-dar quite so much? It's malfunctioning, so pinging it doesn't really help anyone at all.
But I see people trying to move votes away from either YP or 99, depending on where you think the wagon's gonna move closer to EoD, and I get the feeling I got for Nictis/Byz.

Now considering how that worked out, I'm not gonna actually react to it, but I hate having that voice burrowed in my head.
 

Fiiiine.
[ ]Absun
[ ]99L
[ ]Shalmoa

[ ]Vote NinetyNineLies
I don't have any solid leads-Absun feels too self-satisfying, Rosen I have even less of a plan, and the counter-voting is only functional if there's a vote to counter.
But 99's slips and bad moves are bad, unfortunately, so while I think he's Lost town the question of where to throw my vote looks large.
And I imagine a Null vote would just get me hung, because keeping my hands clean for the sake of self-righteousness sucks for town because less town votes means Scum gets that much more control. So.
[X]Vote NinetynineLies
Emphasis and emphasis mine.

...Nictis has exe'd you over this exact kind of argument before, y'know!
 
Hey can you please not ping me sus-dar quite so much? It's malfunctioning, so pinging it doesn't really help anyone at all.
But I see people trying to move votes away from either YP or 99, depending on where you think the wagon's gonna move closer to EoD, and I get the feeling I got for Nictis/Byz.

Now considering how that worked out, I'm not gonna actually react to it, but I hate having that voice burrowed in my head.
I'm actually in a similar mindset here. It isn't that 99L is the most suspicious I've ever seen, but just trying to kick life into a vote you think is good, ala Rosen in #588 makes me suspicious about your motivation.
 
Hey can you please not ping me sus-dar quite so much? It's malfunctioning, so pinging it doesn't really help anyone at all.
But I see people trying to move votes away from either YP or 99, depending on where you think the wagon's gonna move closer to EoD, and I get the feeling I got for Nictis/Byz.

Now considering how that worked out, I'm not gonna actually react to it, but I hate having that voice burrowed in my head.

I'm actually in a similar mindset here. It isn't that 99L is the most suspicious I've ever seen, but just trying to kick life into a vote you think is good, ala Rosen in #588 makes me suspicious about your motivation.
I may be dumb but I'm not quite following?
 
Well is a vote thrown to the void any better? I'd love that option right now!
You can literally always just [] Null.

But yeah, you shouldn't be voting someone you don't at least think will be good info, and much preferably think has a reasonable chance of being scum. Especially not at this point in Day 1 of all times. It's just not a town mindset.
 
Hey can you please not ping me sus-dar quite so much? It's malfunctioning, so pinging it doesn't really help anyone at all.
But I see people trying to move votes away from either YP or 99, depending on where you think the wagon's gonna move closer to EoD, and I get the feeling I got for Nictis/Byz.

Now considering how that worked out, I'm not gonna actually react to it, but I hate having that voice burrowed in my head.
I mean my opinion on it is that if being sus gets me and the rest of town better info than whatever trainwreck I'm currently seeing would IMO, then being sus is a small price to pay.
 
I may be dumb but I'm not quite following?
Sorry, I may be less coherent than I think I am; long day. You explicitly say 99L is the best vote here, then pressure to move away from that vote under the reasoning of it not being particularly useful for solving. But that argument would also be a way for scum to diffuse an argument against a scum buddy without being overly suspicious themselves.
 
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